Daredevil reboot: official discussion thread - Part 2

[Project862006]

also according to joe fox did'nt pass on his take he said on twitter fox loved his pitch but in reality 2 months was just too little to make a period piece super hero movie they would have to recreate the 70's NYC like watchmen did with the 80's that takes alot of time and work

 

[Dark Raven]

also according to joe fox did'nt pass on his take he said on twitter fox loved his pitch but in reality 2 months was just too little to make a period piece super hero movie they would have to recreate the 70's NYC like watchmen did with the 80's that takes alot of time and work

But they don't need to have done all the filming in 2 months. They could have started the casting process and filmed certain scenes that don't require 70s sets. That would at least count for having begun filming, and then they can build the rest afterwards.

I personally think it should've been just retro in style and certain values, and not necessarily having it actually set in the 70s.

 

[cherokeesam]

just call it like i see it

anyways i understand why FOX prefer F4 over DD

F4 is more cinematic and huge on super heroics and would be a summer blockbuster while DD would'nt

F4 made more money than DD did by a large margin first go around as well and F4 has more wide range appeal to general audiences than DD

FF is all those things *if* it's done right. Fox didn't have a clue how to do FF right in the first two movies; now, they've stigmatized the franchise for general audiences. What they're trying to do is capture the Joss Whedon lightning-in-a-bottle, but they're too little, too late. Joss proved that four-color comics DO work on the big screen; Rothman has always been too short-sighted and narrow-minded to believe that.

I strongly, strongly doubt their FF reboot, done by Josh Trank or anybody else, is going to seriously make amends for the made-for-basic-cable trashpit that Tim Story churned out. Fox is better off just hanging on to the X-Universe and managing that, while letting Marvel Studios do what it does best --- the four-color comic movies --- and allow the Four to inherit their rightful place in the MCU.

Right now, FF is just too risky and ambitious a project for a studio like Fox to handle.

 

[Project862006]

^to be fair did'nt people say the same think about apes and first class as many fans here were not excited or optimistic about them when they were announced when the previous films were so bad(X3,Wolverine,&Burtons Apes) and they lacked faith that fox Got it?

 

[venom892]

While I wouldn't mind a Serpico styled DD, I feel actually setting in 1973 is a mistake.It worked for First Class, but I feel it wouldn't work with DD.

 

[marcvader]

I think any noirish hero can be set in a period piece and I don't necessarily mind that but in this case I want DD to be part of this universe Marvel is creating. I also wouldn't mind if Matt Murdock the attorney cameos in other parts of the MCU.

 

[marcvader]

On another note, it would be a dream for Fincher to direct a Daredevil flick.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

^to be fair did'nt people say the same think about apes and first class as many fans here were not excited or optimistic about them when they were announced when the previous films were so bad(X3,Wolverine,&Burtons Apes) and they lacked faith that fox Got it?

Fox has a decent track record with full fledged Sci-Fi though..

-Alien Franchise
-Avatar
-Blade Runner
-Star Wars Franchise
-The Fury
-Coccoon
-The Fly
-Big Trouble in Little China
-The Abyss
-Predator franchise
-Independence Day
-X-files
-Minority Report
-Solaris
-I Robot
-Day after Tomorrow
-The Day the Earth Stood Still (while not a great movie, still grossed alot, same with Jumper)

as you can see, fox is EASILY the largest powerhouse in the Sci-fi film genre.. so for me it's not incredibly difficult to think films like Apes.

The Super Hero genre however... (and i never heard anyone ever even bring up Burton's Apes as justification for First Class possibly sucking.) has been pretty disappointing from fox.. which is actually shocking considering how well they're sci-fi portfolio is..

 

[Donnie Darko]

I could see Marvel holding off on DD for a while. After Avengers 3, contracts are up for the main players. I think they could use DD and other new characters as a buffer while they take break and recast Avengers. That way you are getting the larger universe and you get a break from it being too Avengers-centric.

 

[henzINNIT]

Roll on a Daredevil TV series please...

 

[OsGom]

Seriously DD makes so much sense as a tv show. Have ABC studios produce it unless marvel studios has a separate tv studio.

It doesn't even have to be on ABC. HBO, SHOWTIME and AMC are out since I think that only allow their shows but I'm sure they can figure something out.

Make it like law and order except the order part is the law part dressing like the devil.

13 episode seasons. Have things go from good(DD is kicking ass and taking names) to bad(kingpin figures out DD secret identity and sets out to kill his loved ones) to scary dark(DD goes off the deep end and almost starts killing)

Edit:I see that Disney owns half of A&E. Perhaps that could be good for DD.

I agree. It seems like the timing is just so perfect. Marvel/Disney greenlight a Whedon driven TV series just as DD rights revert back to Marvel. Granted, a DD series, done right, is WAY to heavy for ABC but out of all the Marvel properties, I think DD fits best into a raw and gritty TV series. Something in the vein of Breaking Bad where DD's and Matt's pathos are often at odds in how to combat the overwhelming criminal presence of the Kingpin.

 

[CinematicESP]

I wonder if they make Daredevil their MCU show, and Whedon has a hand in it, would he appear in later films? I'd be down for a TV/movie crossover if the show was good.

 

[Shifty]

Seriously DD makes so much sense as a tv show. Have ABC studios produce it unless marvel studios has a separate tv studio.

It doesn't even have to be on ABC. HBO, SHOWTIME and AMC are out since I think that only allow their shows but I'm sure they can figure something out.

Make it like law and order except the order part is the law part dressing like the devil.

13 episode seasons. Have things go from good(DD is kicking ass and taking names) to bad(kingpin figures out DD secret identity and sets out to kill his loved ones) to scary dark(DD goes off the deep end and almost starts killing)

Edit:I see that Disney owns half of A&E. Perhaps that could be good for DD.

A&E does have their original dramas finally doing well in the ratings plus all their reality shows they can advertise it. They're already developing a Psycho TV series.

ABC Studios and Marvel Television would pitch it to everyone except Time Warner channels (TNT, The CW, HBO) just because of the DC Comics connection. I don't think it would go to pay cable like Showtime or Starz because it limits the audience and those networks have never really had a large audience.

AMC has The Walking Dead, the highest rated drama on cable which could be used as a lead in.
FX has male skewing dramas and comedies, would be a good fit.
A&E is another destination, being a corporate sibling helps.

NBC may be desperate enough to out bid everyone as they did for the Wonder Woman series that was in development last year.
ABC could stick it on at 10/9c but if they're going for a dark, serious take it may not fit the network. Especially if they ever get a Hulk or Whedon's show on the schedule. Though they could split the timeslot during the season, Sept-Jan, Feb-May.
Maybe Fox would air it, they have limited hours available so it would probably stuck on Fridays if they did pick it up. They are developing a Punisher series.

It wouldn't fit with what CBS has and they would want a more broad show.
Spike aired the Blade series years ago but Spike just does reality now.
USA would need to change the tone to a more lighthearted one.
SyFy could also air it but it would be a last resort.

Best bets are FX, AMC and A&E followed by NBC, ABC and Fox.

Once the rights revert back to them they can start pitching for pilot season. If NBC or Fox wants the show then there is a chance it could air during the 2013-2014 TV season. If a cable network picks up the series it wouldn't air until 2014.

David Slade or Joe Carnahan could direct the TV pilot.

 

[PWN3R]

That sizzle reel was just...clips of old movies and the previous Daredevil franchise, and some generic comic book imagery. Not sure why people got excited about it.

It's the combination of those particular aesthetics that creates the vibe this film was hoping to match. It's that feeling people are responding to...

But you know this already. I think you just enjoy being that guy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The Hollywood Reporter is saying that the main reason why Marvel is taking the rights back is because they already gave 20th Century Fox two extensions already and weren't willing to give them a third. They're also reporting that the license will expire as soon as this week.

 

[ironmaidenrules]

Yay people agree with me

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The Hollywood Reporter is saying that the main reason why Marvel is taking the rights back is because they already gave 20th Century Fox two extensions already and weren't willing to give them a third. They're also reporting that the license will expire as soon as this week.

that's very interesting... it would explain the original rumors of a 5 or 6 year time-frame for a sequel/spinoff. Though, it's funny this is the first we're hearing of it... Though... a year or 2 ago, marvel wasn't a strong enough company to care for wanting DD back either..

 

[roach]

that's very interesting... it would explain the original rumors of a 5 or 6 year time-frame for a sequel/spinoff. Though, it's funny this is the first we're hearing of it... Though... a year or 2 ago, marvel wasn't a strong enough company to care for wanting DD back either..

I've mentioned they were given extensions several times in the past threads

 

[Project862006]

Carnahan Talks DD

"I was brought in pretty late in the game, and my take probably didn’t help matters since they had an existing script. But I just thought that if you were going to do it, this was the way to go. This is the way that intrigued me...It was initially something I passed on because Christopher Nolan had done such a lovely job with Batman and unless you’re going to go after that trilogy, then that’s how you have to think. You can’t out-hurdle that, then what’s the point of trying? So it set the bar extraordinarily high, and I thought ‘Well, if we’re going to do this, let’s have a discussion about Hell’s Kitchen, and how it was really Hell’s Kitchen in the 70s,” so that got me really excited. But as I mentioned, the clock ticking and this kind of October drop-dead date, it wasn’t tenable. And having gone down this road in the past when you’re trying to write something and shoot it at the same time is disastrous, and I think you’d need an adequate amount of time to put that script together in the right way. My brother [Matthew Michael Carnahan (The Kingdom)] was interested in writing it with me, so we’ll see."

"As I’m finishing my kind of reimagining of Death Wish, I think the 70s is figuring into my conscious and subconscious mind right now. I think it was the last time music and movies were just tremendous. We just cranked out some great stuff. I think that’s why the sizzle reel is able to be kind of abstract because people have such great fondness in their hearts for that decade, particularly the early part of that decade. I’m excited; you know the idea of having Daredevil on top of a building somewhere with the Serpico marquee in the background was enough, that image was enough, for me to want to make the movie.

http://collider.com/joe-carnahan-daredevil-death-wish-interview/189212/#more-189212

 

[Motown Marvel]

god i would love to see carnahan's daredevil!

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Marvel will let him make that with some modifications - perhaps set it in the present but make out that Hell's Kitchen is either still like that or has deteriorated back to that state. Someone could even say in the film that it was like this in the 70s, and it feels as if, with all the violence that has risen up, they've gone back in time and have been set back a few decades.

 

[Project862006]

i like 70's take because hell's kitchen is nowhere near as wretched an dark as it was in the height of the 1970's with crime lords,murder,riots,etc.

NYC as a whole is more cleaned up today thats why i loved the 70's setting it really works for hell's kitchen

 

[The Guard]

It's the combination of those particular aesthetics that creates the vibe this film was hoping to match. It's that feeling people are responding to...

So...the sizzle reel/film hoped to match the vibe of existing films?

Meh.

I'm sorry, I don't find that clever. I think people just want to gush over anything at this point.

Yes, the 70's happened. Random clips of 70's crime films and fight sequences from the previous Daredevil film does not an impressive sizzle reel make. It just wasn't really that impressive a combination of elements, tonally or otherwise.

 

[Project862006]

^do you not understand what a sizzle reel pitch is?

the sizzle reel was suppose to show studio execs the tone,feel,atmosphere,era and new take he wanted to take the character

thats why it is exciting and the sizzle reel delivered what it set out to do

 

[Dark Raven]

i like 70's take because hell's kitchen is nowhere near as wretched an dark as it was in the height of the 1970's with crime lords,murder,riots,etc.

NYC as a whole is more cleaned up today thats why i loved the 70's setting it really works for hell's kitchen

But the movie "Escape from New York" was clearly not set in the 70s, but a fictional future where NY was even worse than the 70s, and had become a prison island. So while NYC today isn't like the 70s and is far more cleaned up, in the Marvel Universe they can always make out that parts of it have regressed back to the state of the 70s or has simply deteriorated to a point where it makes the 70s look like a walk in the park.

The MCU needs to make NYC more violent anyway, if they plan to have all these superheroes running around, because they need villains to fight, and ordinary criminals won't cut it.

They can say that after the Chitauri attack and after a few weapons were found, this escalated a crime spree that set the city back several decades.