Daredevil reboot: official discussion thread - Part 2

[Nelson/Murdock]

So has there been any news regarding the film rights recently? I havent read or heard a peep.

Why would there be? Plus, the rights don't revert until October.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Whenever I see Damian Lewis in something I always think he'd make a great Matt Murdock. Just thought I'd put it out there. I searched the thread and saw no mentions of him.

not bad at all. I'm all for it. and he's a TV actor, he'd be a sure thing if DD is on the small screen.

 

[American_Hobo]

I loved Ben Affleck as Daredevil.
Dont know why people hated it so much.

 

[kewlmatto]

I loved Ben Affleck as Daredevil.
Dont know why people hated it so much.

He wasn't bad.

The script was.

 

[Jick]

I don't get the hate either.
But then, I didn't read too many Daredevil comics.

 

[Spider - Man]

I've said it before and I;ll say it again: Guy Pearce should be DD! Great actor, great look!

 

[Spider - Man]

He wasn't bad.

The script was.

And the director.

 

[cherokeesam]

I didn't see anything wrong with the actor, the director, or the script. In my book, DD is still one of the most underrated comic book films out there, undeservingly so. Although in all fairness, the director's cut is by far the better version.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The film is still hampered by hammy acting that renders scenes that should have dramatic weight false.

 

[Human Torch]

I agree Daredevil is vastly underrated.I'm probably in the minority that likes the theatrical better though.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well Guy Pearce is playing a bit part in Iron Man 3, I wonder if that could get him more interested in a bigger role with a Marvel property.

Fans have wanted Pearce to be in a role like this for a while but he always seems to avoid it. He tends to go for smaller movies but then he does stuff like Bedtime Stories or Prometheus. I mean he plays old man Weyland in Prometheus which is pretty pointless considering in the movie we only see Pearce as old Weyland. We never see the young footage of him as Weyland in the actual movie. IMHO it was a waste of Guy Pearce and they could've simply gotten an older more suitable actor for the role.

 

[kewlmatto]

And the director.

Yes, that too.

I didn't see anything wrong with the actor, the director, or the script. In my book, DD is still one of the most underrated comic book films out there, undeservingly so. Although in all fairness, the director's cut is by far the better version.

The director's cut isn't terrible, it's just average for me. The theatrical is abysmal. I can see that Mark Steven Johnson's heart was in the right place - he really seemed to have a love for the source material and tried to honour it, but he just isn't a good writer. The screenplay is riddled with cliches, the dialogue is clunky and the tone is just wrong. It tries too hard to have 'cool' moments for 13-year-old boys rather than going for something more resonant.

I do agree it's a little too derided for what it is, but on the other hand what it is isn't that good. There are parts that work well for me...costume design is great, the visuals are actually quite nice. The score is great. The origin is done pretty well.

But the romance is mishandled. Bullseye is played as completely camp. Jennifer Garner was miscast.

The film is still hampered by hammy acting that renders scenes that should have dramatic weight false.

I think some of the actors should share the blame, but not completely. They are all decent actors in their own right - something went wrong with the way they were directed.

Also, in those dramatic scenes, the dialogue is incredibly cliche. "I'm not the bad guy kid". I remember cringing the first time I heard that. It's hard to deliver a great performance when you are saying lines like that.

 

[marcvader]

My favorite part of the movie is when newly blinded Matt wakes up in the hospital room.

 

[cherokeesam]

Yes, that too.



The director's cut isn't terrible, it's just average for me. The theatrical is abysmal. I can see that Mark Steven Johnson's heart was in the right place - he really seemed to have a love for the source material and tried to honour it, but he just isn't a good writer. The screenplay is riddled with cliches, the dialogue is clunky and the tone is just wrong. It tries too hard to have 'cool' moments for 13-year-old boys rather than going for something more resonant.

I do agree it's a little too derided for what it is, but on the other hand what it is isn't that good. There are parts that work well for me...costume design is great, the visuals are actually quite nice. The score is great. The origin is done pretty well.

But the romance is mishandled. Bullseye is played as completely camp. Jennifer Garner was miscast.



I think some of the actors should share the blame, but not completely. They are all decent actors in their own right - something went wrong with the way they were directed.

Also, in those dramatic scenes, the dialogue is incredibly cliche. "I'm not the bad guy kid". I remember cringing the first time I heard that. It's hard to deliver a great performance when you are saying lines like that.

Yeah, I have a far bigger problem with Jen as Elektra than Ben as Matt. Garner is a very good actress at roles she's suited for, but Elektra should not have been portrayed that way (and the Elektra sequel made it even worse), nor should the romance. I hope that when DD and Elektra reboot onscreen some glorious day, they play it as more of a battle than a love affair; like Batman and Catwoman. Their relationship should be more cat-and-mouse, hunter-and-prey than just the playful romp we saw in MSJ's movie.

 

[kewlmatto]

Yeah, I have a far bigger problem with Jen as Elektra than Ben as Matt. Garner is a very good actress at roles she's suited for, but Elektra should not have been portrayed that way (and the Elektra sequel made it even worse), nor should the romance. I hope that when DD and Elektra reboot onscreen some glorious day, they play it as more of a battle than a love affair; like Batman and Catwoman. Their relationship should be more cat-and-mouse, hunter-and-prey than just the playful romp we saw in MSJ's movie.

Agreed.

Garner is fantastic in Alias - one of my favourite TV shows of all time. But she's terrible as Elektra.

I want a Greek actress, or at least, an actress who can very convincingly play Elektra with a Greek accent. Making her the 'girl next door who can fight' was a bad step.

Personally I hope they don't touch Elektra with the first movie in the reboot. Just stick to a smaller story with closer villains and Karen Page as the love interest. Save Elektra for a sequel. And use Greg Rucka's characterisation from the comics. Troubled, violent, but trying desperately to be good.

I agree - more of a rivalry than a romance would work.

 

[Kar]

Thinking about it I think John Goodman would make a pretty decent Kingpin. Seriously.

 

[YoungPrime]

And the director.

And especially the editor.

 

[The Overlord]

So what should be the story of a DD reboot? Should they try and do the origin, do a gang war story, Born Again or something else?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I'd focus on the San Francisco years. This way it is different enough from the Affleck movie and can be a pseudo sequel like TIH without rehashing the origin story

 

[The Overlord]

I'd focus on the San Francisco years. This way it is different enough from the Affleck movie and can be a pseudo sequel like TIH without rehashing the origin story

Yeah, but weren't the San Fran years just a bunch of one shot stories, rather then an ongoing story? I'm not sure how you would make a whole movie about DD and Black Widow moving to San Fran, fighting random super villains. Which story from the San Fran years would make the back bone of the story, who would be the villain?

 

[cherokeesam]

Yeah, but weren't the San Fran years just a bunch of one shot stories, rather then an ongoing story? I'm not sure how you would make a whole movie about DD and Black Widow moving to San Fran, fighting random super villains. Which story from the San Fran years would make the back bone of the story, who would be the villain?

The Purple Man or The Owl.

 

[Kar]

I really want there to be an opening scene of Matt defending Frank Castle in court for some reason.

 

[Project862006]

always thought rhona mitra would be a bad ass elektra she has a very ethnic/greek look to her i actually believe she is part indian and plays a bad ass quite well

 

[kewlmatto]

The Purple Man or The Owl.

If they were smart they would get moving fast on The Owl before WB inevitably do the Penguin in Batman again, as mainstream audiences will probably see them as too similar.

 

[TheVileOne]

Mitra's probably too old at this point. Studio would cast younger.