Daredevil reboot: official discussion thread

[Art_of_Crime]

so if we got a reboot does anyone think there would be a stink thrown up about recasting the Kingpin?

 

[[A]]

You mean people will or will not like a recast..?

 

[Brian Braddock]

so if we got a reboot does anyone think there would be a stink thrown up about recasting the Kingpin?

If the guy was any less physically imposing or a lesser actor than Clarke Duncan - of course there would be flak. The whole thing for me about MCH's casting was, skin colour aside, that he was the actor with the closest attributes to the character. I understood that and was therefore ok with the cosmetic change; I got behind him and thought he gave a thoroughly fine performance.

But, if they manage to find someone even more 'comic accurate', then why not recast? I'm a tad of a pedant when it comes to characters looking as close to their comicbook counterparts if it can be done.

 

[The Overlord]

If the guy was any less physically imposing or a lesser actor than Clarke Duncan - of course there would be flak. The whole thing for me about MCH's casting was, skin colour aside, that he was the actor with the closest attributes to the character. I understood that and was therefore ok with the cosmetic change; I got behind him and thought he gave a thoroughly fine performance.

But, if they manage to find someone even more 'comic accurate', then why not recast? I'm a tad of a pedant when it comes to characters looking as close to their comicbook counterparts if it can be done.

But who in Hollywood looks more like Kingpin then MCD? I can't think of anyone, so I would stick with him.

The Cosa Nostra? lol Yea I think everyone has heard of them, and they ain't white. Not white like Kingpin from the comics white anyway.

The Cosa Nostra are Italian and therefore white, John Gotti for example was white.

Changing topic who should be the villains in this film, because if they do a reboot and have Kingpin and Bullseye again, how is that different then the first movie? Maybe Kingpin should have a different enforcer and Bullseye should appear in the second film.

 

[[A]]

But who in Hollywood looks more like Kingpin then MCD? I can't think of anyone, so I would stick with him.

What if they find an unknown who actually looks the part..? Or what if they use a body suit..?

 

[The Overlord]

What if they find an unknown who actually looks the part..? Or what if they use a body suit..?

How many people out there look like Kingpin, let alone great actors who like Kingpin and are capable of doing good fight scenes?

Also wouldn't MCD look more natural then some guy in a fat suit?

 

[cerealkiller182]

I think Ray Winstone, except for being a little short looks enough, can handle an action scene, and act like the Kingpin to be cast.

 

[The Overlord]

I think Ray Winstone, except for being a little short looks enough, can handle an action scene, and act like the Kingpin to be cast.

I think MCD has a better physical presence then Winstone.

Anyway does anyone else think Bullseye should perhaps be saved for a second film, just to be different from the first? Is there another villain who could work as Kingpin's enforcer?

 

[cerealkiller182]

Bigger does not equal better physical presence. I think Winstone has just as much presence without being gigantic, if not more. Winstone also trumps MCD in pretty much every way except size

 

[[A]]

Winstone also trumps MCD in pretty much every way except size

True

 

[The Overlord]

Anyway moving on, should Bullseye appear in this movie or should another villain be used?

 

[[A]]

"lol", moving on. why? are you in a hurry?

 

[cerealkiller182]

If they are rebooting, than Bullseye should appear because they should introduce him as Daredevil's counterpart. Not as strong a relationship as say Batman and Joker, but Bullseye should be a "bad penny" kinda bad guy

 

[The Overlord]

"lol", moving on. why? are you in a hurry?

Nah, I just want talk about something else instead.

If they are rebooting, than Bullseye should appear because they should introduce him as Daredevil's counterpart. Not as strong a relationship as say Batman and Joker, but Bullseye should be a "bad penny" kinda bad guy

But how is that really different from the first movie we got? When they rebooted Batman, they didn't use Joker again in Batman Begins, so perhaps to make the movie a tad different, they can use another villain.

 

[Captain America]

it's really doesn't matter to me all that much, but if I was going to say one or the other i'd say Sequel, I really liked the original film

 

[The Overlord]

So if Bullseye isn't the villain in the first movie, who should be?

 

[cerealkiller182]

But how is that really different from the first movie we got? When they rebooted Batman, they didn't use Joker again in Batman Begins, so perhaps to make the movie a tad different, they can use another villain.

Its not the same. Bullseye was the badguy in the first Daredevil. Even though Kingpin called the shots, Bullseye was in the thick of it. Making him a "bad penny" villain, which would be completely different adds something that has rarely been seen in comic movies. An actual rival. Not someone who just shows up for an installment, gets beat up, and is put a way, but someone who evades Daredevil and always comes back, sometimes just to screw with DD.

 

[bubbadoom]

Danny Devito should be the Kingpin, and digitally make him 6 feet tall.

 

[The Overlord]

Its not the same. Bullseye was the badguy in the first Daredevil. Even though Kingpin called the shots, Bullseye was in the thick of it. Making him a "bad penny" villain, which would be completely different adds something that has rarely been seen in comic movies. An actual rival. Not someone who just shows up for an installment, gets beat up, and is put a way, but someone who evades Daredevil and always comes back, sometimes just to screw with DD.

But should Bullseye show up in every movie, wouldn't that wear thin, shouldn't some other villains be used? Frankly Bullseye is not as deep a villain as the Joker, so I wouldn't want him in every movies. If Kingpin is already going to appear in every movie, having Bullseye appear every time would be overkill. Kingpin works better as a rival then Bullseye.

But how would the plot be different from the first movie if it features the exact same villains? Bullseye already killed Elektra in the first movie, what would he do differently in the reboot?

I would rather have the DD mythos built up and Bulleye forshadowed then him just showing up in the first movie. I think Kingpin should have a different henchman in the first movie, so the movie seems different from the previous one.

 

[Rich Santoro]

I actually would't want a TIH kind of reboot... I would prefer the "tone" being reboot (think The Crow), and moving the story forward. Open the film with Kingpin's trial... Elektra is dead... so starts the series of painful relationship situations for DD. Introduce Typhoid Mary... have Kingpin declare to his boys on the outside that they have to get in on the superpower gig. Something like the Maggia spins off.

 

[UnionJack]

why not just leave the villans used in the last film alone and move onto other ones, DD has plenty to go with

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but Bullseye is the best villain DD's ever had.

You could make Bullseye into a reoccuring menace. But that doesn't mean he would be the ONLY menace.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Yeah, I think it's fair to say that Bullseye is D/D's no.1 nemesis. He's such a good foil for Matt in a Yin and Yang kinda way.

Wouldnt mind seeing a 2nd cinematic stab at the Hand either.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Yeah, I think it's fair to say that Bullseye is D/D's no.1 nemesis. He's such a good foil for Matt in a Yin and Yang kinda way.

Wouldnt mind seeing a 2nd cinematic stab at the Hand either.

But BE needs to have a mask or at least bandana with the target, instead of the fore-head brand. And the Matrix look was a fail (long dark trench coat). Get back to the sort of militant, covert look.

A prequel with Stick could be cool. The Hand would get another chance. I still think that they need to go with a TV show, in order to refresh the character.

 

[Jordacar]

But BE needs to have a mask or at least bandana with the target, instead of the fore-head brand. And the Matrix look was a fail (long dark trench coat). Get back to the sort of militant, covert look.

A prequel with Stick could be cool. The Hand would get another chance. I still think that they need to go with a TV show, in order to refresh the character.

I agree. They could definitely build up the backstory in more interesting ways on a TV show, not to mention have more characters and better overarching stories than they could ever have in another movie.