Daredevil vs Spider-Man

[random_havoc]

Spidey has taken hits from Rhino, so realistically he could just stand there and DD's hits would do nothing. Not to mention spider sense plus superhuman speed and agility mean he can dodge multiple machine guns at the same time, so DD would never hit him.
Plus one touch from Spidey's super human strength would equal shattered bones in DD.

No contest.

 

[The Endless]

To be fair Daredevil hits pretty hard for someone who supposedly has no super strength. But yea not as hard as someone like Rhino.

 

[Naked Shia]

Rhino hits like a little girl.

 

[Themanofbat]

Daredevil is a true warrior. He trained like a beast to become a fighter. He has ninjitsu and boxing training.

Granted, Spidey has super-human habilities, but he's not as much of a fighter as DD.

In recent years, Spidey learned kung-fu while training with Shang-Chi...

 

[KevanG]

I'd give the win to Peter. Despite all the ninja training Matt has, he really is just a bit more than human while Pete is way beyond that. Between radar sense and spider sense, Spider sense should come out on top as it's more of a psychic ability than just a combination of sense. Besides, the training he got after Spider Island he should be more than a match for DD.

 

[runawayboulder]

You would think Spider-Man would be able to mop the floor with DD but it was quite the opposite during the Sin-Eater/Death of Jean DeWolff Saga. Daredevil beat the daylights out of a Spider-Man that was more pissed off that he's probably ever been in his entire life.

Come to think of it, it's been a while since we've seen really cut loose and beat the hell out of somebody. (Superior don't count, that was Otto in control)

 

[The Endless]

Yea but stuff like that comes down to "plot/character induced stupidity". Spidey must have conveniently forgot he has super speed.

 

[KevanG]

Also, Pete is a genius with a long history of learning how to mess with SPBs powers and abilities to use them against them. He knows DD well enough he could rig various tech to emit sounds that would mess with DDs radar.

 

[runawayboulder]

Yea but stuff like that comes down to "plot/character induced stupidity". Spidey must have conveniently forgot he has super speed.

Like I said, he was in a blind rage.

Trust me, absolutely nothing about that storyline was stupid.

 

[The Endless]

Plot/character induced stupidity doesn't necessarily mean the story is stupid. It happens in comics all the time.

Whenever Flash fights his Rogues and doesn't just speed blitz them? Plot/character induced stupidity. A lot of the time it actually makes the story better. No one wants to read a Flash comic where he defeats his enemies in 2 panels.

But if you wanna do VS discussions you gotta throw all that plot armour and character stupidity out of the window. Otherwise you're gonna have people saying Spider-Man can knock out Fire Lord and Wolverine can give Hulk a good fight.

 

[KevanG]

Of course most comics rely on the justice system not enforcing the death penalty whenever the supervillains go and kill a dozen or so people. Because Arkham is such a safe and secure place where no one ever leaves without a clean bill of health.

 

[The Endless]

haha that too.

 

[KevanG]

Even Wolverine takes forever to try and kill someone with a name as opposed to nameless one shot mooks.

As for if they just went one on one with no prior knowledge of each other, I'd say if he actually tried to take him down then Pete could do it fairly quickly.

 

[Naked Shia]

Okay, since it seems fights we've actually seen between the two don't count with you guys (since DD won most of those fights), DD managed to beat up the Kingpin, something Spidey had a tird time doing.

Also, spidey may have learn some kung fu, but skillwise, he still doesn't hand a candle against DD who train in boxing and ninjitsu for years.

 

[KevanG]

Since I have some free time let me summarize why I think Spider-man would win.

Matt would need to hit Pete a good amount of times or several very lucky shots to even start to slow him down where if Pete hit him once at full strength he'd be toast. As for the Kingpin fight, it's another case where they make one character stronger against a stronger character than who he usually fights to make it more an even fight. If Pete can hold his own against the Hulk even for a little while he can take down the Kingpin.

Pete may not have the formal training of Matt but between his own experience, fighting style and abilities I'd have to give it to Pete for the win if he was actually going all out. His Spider sense beats Matts radar, he's faster, stronger and more agile by far, his webbing, while limited, can be used in a large variety of ways while Matt only uses his billy club. Pete usually builds stuff in cases where he knows he needs an advantage in certain fights so based on previous encounters with Matt he'd have a very good idea on what to use to try to mess with his sense.

They both have experience fighting SPBs, they both have a large amount of experience fighting through the city and it's rooftops and they both are used to watching for civilians while fighting so which would largely cancel those factors out for the fight.

Just in previous fights against other SPBs Pete has held his own against teams of them without too much trouble. His groups even have a habits of teaming up in the Sinister Six. He's fought the X-Men several times and made them look like chumps while still bouncing around and being a smartass. He usually fights his own rogues anywhere between one on one to twelve one on one. DD usually fights one on one and hordes of ninjas. Ninjas in the MU tend to follow the Conservation of Ninjutsu.

In every fight Pete holds himself back so he doesn't kill anyone. There's been times where he's been disoriented and he's smashed through chimneys and walls by accident and if he hit a normal person like that he'd hospitalize them if not outright kill them. If he didn't hold back and even managed to tag Matt at full strength then he would probably break something of his.

All in all if it did go where they went head to head nothing held back I'd give it to Pete. It may take some time but he'd win eventually.

 

[Naked Shia]

Since I have some free time let me summarize why I think Spider-man would win.

Matt would need to hit Pete a good amount of times or several very lucky shots to even start to slow him down where if Pete hit him once at full strength he'd be toast. As for the Kingpin fight, it's another case where they make one character stronger against a stronger character than who he usually fights to make it more an even fight. If Pete can hold his own against the Hulk even for a little while he can take down the Kingpin.

Pete may not have the formal training of Matt but between his own experience, fighting style and abilities I'd have to give it to Pete for the win if he was actually going all out. His Spider sense beats Matts radar, he's faster, stronger and more agile by far, his webbing, while limited, can be used in a large variety of ways while Matt only uses his billy club. Pete usually builds stuff in cases where he knows he needs an advantage in certain fights so based on previous encounters with Matt he'd have a very good idea on what to use to try to mess with his sense.

They both have experience fighting SPBs, they both have a large amount of experience fighting through the city and it's rooftops and they both are used to watching for civilians while fighting so which would largely cancel those factors out for the fight.

Just in previous fights against other SPBs Pete has held his own against teams of them without too much trouble. His groups even have a habits of teaming up in the Sinister Six. He's fought the X-Men several times and made them look like chumps while still bouncing around and being a smartass. He usually fights his own rogues anywhere between one on one to twelve one on one. DD usually fights one on one and hordes of ninjas. Ninjas in the MU tend to follow the Conservation of Ninjutsu.

In every fight Pete holds himself back so he doesn't kill anyone. There's been times where he's been disoriented and he's smashed through chimneys and walls by accident and if he hit a normal person like that he'd hospitalize them if not outright kill them. If he didn't hold back and even managed to tag Matt at full strength then he would probably break something of his.

All in all if it did go where they went head to head nothing held back I'd give it to Pete. It may take some time but he'd win eventually.

Those are interesting points.

Still, I'm not sure he's as fast as some of you think he is. Like I said, in the fight against Iron Fist, he had a hard time evading his punches.

About him being that resistant against people without power's punches, while I agree that he's more resistant than your average human, I don't think he would be invulnerable to that kind of hit.

Would he have some advantages against DD? obviously yes, as some of you pointed out. But I'm sure DD would still be able to hold his own, if he doesn"t win, as seen in several stories.

 

[KevanG]

I haven't seen the fight against IF so I can't comment, was it a fight or just training?

He's taken hits from the Hulk before, along with getting hit by others with strength greatly beyond his own and survived. He's taken baseball bats to the back of the head when he was distracted and just shrugged them off.

If Pete has room to bounce around like he usually does then that along with the webbing and his wall walking powers means that there's nowhere he can't go in a fight. If you had him and DD in a thirty foot pit and no handholds Pete could just walk (or probably jump) out while DD would have a much harder time.

What issues has DD beaten SM in anyway? Were they straight up one on on fights?

 

[Naked Shia]

I haven't seen the fight against IF so I can't comment, was it a fight or just training?

He's taken hits from the Hulk before, along with getting hit by others with strength greatly beyond his own and survived. He's taken baseball bats to the back of the head when he was distracted and just shrugged them off.

If Pete has room to bounce around like he usually does then that along with the webbing and his wall walking powers means that there's nowhere he can't go in a fight. If you had him and DD in a thirty foot pit and no handholds Pete could just walk (or probably jump) out while DD would have a much harder time.

What issues has DD beaten SM in anyway? Were they straight up one on on fights?

The fight against Iron Fist was a real fight. IF was willing to take spidey down, and while spidey wasn't trying to hurt IF, he had a hard time evading his blows. It was in a spidey issue from the 90's, but in all honesty, I couldn't tell you which one right now.

DD beat spidey during the Jean dewolffe saga, again, I can't tell you which issue it was, and in one of the first ASM issue, while spidey was under the circus of crime influence.

 

[KevanG]

I've seen a few scans of issues where Pete gets pissed about something and DD tries to slow him down and he just gets smacked around. ASM 287 I think.

DD tries to stop him and after a page or two he's half webbed up and can't use one of his arms or a billy club.

 

[random_havoc]

Think of it this way, let's say taking a hit from Rhino or the Hulk is like getting hit by a bus (we could quibble details but I'm going for broad illustration here). Spidey has taken those shots, more than once per fight. This makes sense since he can lift tons with his superhuman strength and corresponding superhuman durability.
So DD to realistically hurt Spidey, AT ALL, would have to be able to hit him with force equal to tons of pressure, eg getting hit by a bus.
I don't care how good he is at fighting. He just couldn't do it.
It's like saying if I'm really good at fighting I could punch a bus and knock it over. The human body is simply physically incapable.

 

[KevanG]

To be fair for both sides, DD can pinpoint things with his radar that we couldn't normally see so he might be able to pinpoint vulnerabilities in a human body, pressure points and such, to do more damage than just punching someone.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I suppose this comes down to if you belive Andrew Garfield/Tobey Maguire could take Ben Affleck in a fight.

 

[The Endless]

Daredevil is great at pressure points.

 

[Anubis]

He'd still have to actually hit him.

 

[KevanG]

Edit: Never mind. Too confusing to have multiple issues in this thread.