DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 6

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Action Comics, Detective Comics, Batman Incorporated, Green Lantern, Green Lantern Corps, and the Flash.

Also Krul did a good job turning Teen Titans around, Gail Simone's Secret Six was utterly brilliant, Miller's Batgirl was a really fun book, Nicieza's Red Robin was great, Justice League of America had some good stories under Robinson but was hampered by a terrible roster.

Yep all of those were seriously great quality stuff :up:

Though I didn't enjoy Red Robin or Flash that much neither of them were my cup of tea. But I loved all the other titles you mentioned

I really hope that we get a new Secret Six ongoing or mini series once Suicide Squad is canceled :up:

Which will hopefully be soon
 
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Yep all of those were seriously great quality stuff :up:

Though I didn't enjoy Red Robin or Flash that much neither of them were my cup of tea. But I loved all the other titles you mentioned

I really hope that we get a new Secret Six ongoing or mini series once Suicide Squad is canceled :up:

Which will hopefully be soon

Meh, I thought that Secret Six ended perfectly. If there was one comic that I would say had the perfect ending, it would be Secret Six. DC shouldn't spoil it.

A better solution would have been to put Gail Simone on Suicide Squad. She was really pissed off that she didn't know that DC wanted to do a Suicide Squad book and give her the opportunity to make a pitch for it, or that they didn't offer it to her despite them knowing that she really loves the Suicide Squad.
 
Maybe they figured Secret Six basically was the Suicide Squad and they wanted a fresh take on the concept.
 
Secret Six was the spiritual successor to Suicide Squad, but considering how they all ended up incarcerated in the end except for Bane, it would have been nice to see the Suicide Squad come back as a pseudo-continuation of Secret Six with characters like Deadshot, Knockout, and Ragdoll with a new direction for the Suicide Squad.
 
What, are you saying you don't like Harley Quinn and robo-Deadshot? :huh:
 
:csad:

Meh, I thought that Secret Six ended perfectly. If there was one comic that I would say had the perfect ending, it would be Secret Six. DC shouldn't spoil it.

Really?

Apart from Scandal marrying Liana and Knockout I disliked the ending. I thought it was way too rushed and unsatisfying

I would love it if Simone got to bring the Six back

Or just Jeanette and Scandal and her wives as they were my favourite characters in the series :hrt:

And maybe Catman and Ragdoll too

A better solution would have been to put Gail Simone on Suicide Squad. She was really pissed off that she didn't know that DC wanted to do a Suicide Squad book and give her the opportunity to make a pitch for it, or that they didn't offer it to her despite them knowing that she really loves the Suicide Squad.

I'm certain that if Simone was writing Suicide Squad it would be far more interesting than the bland boring stuff Adam Glass gave us

I never thought I could find a comic book with half naked Harley Quinn in it boring. I have been proven wrong
 
What, are you saying you don't like Harley Quinn and robo-Deadshot? :huh:

I love Harley Quinn more than it is healthy for a woman to love a comic book character

But I hate the writing in Suicide Squad ;_;

hippie_hunter said:
Secret Six was the spiritual successor to Suicide Squad, but considering how they all ended up incarcerated in the end except for Bane, it would have been nice to see the Suicide Squad come back as a pseudo-continuation of Secret Six with characters like Scandal, Knockout, and Jeanette with a new direction for the Suicide Squad

Fixed :up:

If any of the Six return those are who it should be

Ragdoll is a yummy piece of flexible eye candy but I would rather have Scandal and/or Jeanette back instead of him I think
 
Really?

Apart from Scandal marrying Liana and Knockout I disliked the ending. I thought it was way too rushed and unsatisfying

I would love it if Simone got to bring the Six back

Or just Jeanette and Scandal and her wives as they were my favourite characters in the series :hrt:

And maybe Catman and Ragdoll too
The ending was freaking perfect. Scandal marrying both Liana and Knockout and both of them just perfectly going with it felt really ****ed up at first, but then I realized that Secret Six is supposed to be ****ed up, so it's perfect! And the last stand of the team? Perfect!

Yeah, DC forced the book to end due to low sales and the coming of the New 52, but Simone did a brilliant job bringing the series to an end as opposed to leaving many plot threads open like when they ended Legion of Super-Heroes in favor of Johns' reboot of the team restoring the original Legion.


I'm certain that if Simone was writing Suicide Squad it would be far more interesting than the bland boring stuff Adam Glass gave us

I never thought I could find a comic book with half naked Harley Quinn in it boring. I have been proven wrong
Simone was born to write Suicide Squad.
 
Action Comics, Detective Comics, Batman Incorporated, Green Lantern, Green Lantern Corps, and the Flash.

Also Krul did a good job turning Teen Titans around, Gail Simone's Secret Six was utterly brilliant, Miller's Batgirl was a really fun book, Nicieza's Red Robin was great, Justice League of America had some good stories under Robinson but was hampered by a terrible roster.
Did you actually read my post, or did you just go into a mindless rage as soon as you saw a sentence that was critical of DC?

I didn't say DC didn't have good books. I was reading Action, and Red Robin, etc., etc.

My point was, one of the goals for the Big Two is always to have your top characters being written well. That is, of course, the best way to translate creative success to financial success.

And while Action Comics was great (believe me, I'm not knocking it, I like Luthor 50 times more than I do Superman), but it didn't even feature Superman. And the same is the case with JLA.

While all/most of those books you listed were great, they mainly featured secondary or lesser known characters.

With the relaunch, however, for the most part DC got the best creators on the top tier characters' books...and that's a big win.

That was my point. Not that DC didn't have any good books prior to the relaunch. Just that they distributed the talent a bit better this time around.
 
Did you actually read my post, or did you just go into a mindless rage as soon as you saw a sentence that was critical of DC?

I didn't say DC didn't have good books. I was reading Action, and Red Robin, etc., etc.

My point was, one of the goals for the Big Two is always to have your top characters being written well. That is, of course, the best way to translate creative success to financial success.

And while Action Comics was great (believe me, I'm not knocking it, I like Luthor 50 times more than I do Superman), but it didn't even feature Superman. And the same is the case with JLA.

While all/most of those books you listed were great, they mainly featured secondary or lesser known characters.
Except most of their major books were well written. Action Comics by Paul Cornell was great, even for the single arc that it starred Superman. Detective Comics by Scott Snyder was great. Batman Incorporated was great. I personally found myself really liking the Flash. Green Lantern was great. Justice League of America, despite not having the major characters, is still a major book, and overall it was pretty good. Green Lantern Corps was almost always a top 10 selling book, so it counts as a major book. And in my own personal bias, Teen Titans is a major book, the book has had some major highs in the charts when Marv Wolfman and Geoff Johns were on board, was finally getting good again with Krul writing it.

Yeah, some of the major books were crappy like Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman, but overall, most of DC's major books were pretty damn good. Although I'll certainly concede that Secret Six, Red Robin, and Batgirl aren't major books, but I found most of DC to be thoroughly enjoyable overall from the major and smaller titles.

With the relaunch, however, for the most part DC got the best creators on the top tier characters' books...and that's a big win.

That was my point. Not that DC didn't have any good books prior to the relaunch. Just that they distributed the talent a bit better this time around.
I didn't interpret that you said that DC didn't have any good books. But most of their major books were pretty damn good to begin with. Both major companies have a few crappy major books. Hell the only major titles I would complain about were Batman (and even then you had other good Batman books to go to), Superman (again, there was a good Superman book to go to), and Wonder Woman (yeah, she got the short end of the stick here, readers really didn't have a place to go for her).

As for distributing the talent better, I dunno. I think that Paul Cornell should have been put on Superman, Jeff Lemire is still treated as a B-lister in DC's stable, Joshua Hale Fialkov was put on I, Vampire, etc. Tony Daniel is still being put on top tier titles. And Scott Lobdell, the less said about him the better. The only difference is that it feels like Scott Snyder and Gail Simone have been promoted to DC's stable of A-listers as opposed to DC's A-list writers being just Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison.
 
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Except most of their major books were well written. Action Comics by Paul Cornell was great, even for the single arc that it starred Superman. Detective Comics by Scott Snyder was great. Batman Incorporated was great. I personally found myself really liking the Flash. Green Lantern was great. Justice League of America, despite not having the major characters, is still a major book, and overall it was pretty good. Green Lantern Corps was almost always a top 10 selling book, so it counts as a major book. And in my own personal bias, Teen Titans is a major book, the book has had some major highs in the charts when Marv Wolfman and Geoff Johns were on board, was finally getting good again with Krul writing it.
Yes, I know. You already said all of that in your first post. And I don't necessarily disagree with any of it.

(except for saying Robinson's JLA was good...that's just kinda dumb. :o)

Yeah, some of the major books were crappy like Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman, but overall, most of DC's major books were pretty damn good. Although I'll certainly concede that Secret Six, Red Robin, and Batgirl aren't major books, but I found most of DC to be thoroughly enjoyable overall from the major and smaller titles.
Again, I never disagreed with that either. Oveall, I don't think DC's writing has gotten any better or worse (and I meant that in a good way).

I didn't interpret that you said that DC didn't have any good books. But most of their major books were pretty damn good to begin with. Both major companies have a few crappy major books. Hell the only major titles I would complain about were Batman (and even then you had other good Batman books to go to), Superman (again, there was a good Superman book to go to), and Wonder Woman (yeah, she got the short end of the stick here, readers really didn't have a place to go for her).
Not to nitpick, but I'm sorry, you can't say Action was a Superman book when Superman wasn't even in it for almost a year. It was a great book. Luthor's story was great. But it didn't feature Superman. Again, nothing wrong with that...its just a fact.

As for distributing the talent better, I dunno. I think that Paul Cornell should have been put on Superman, Jeff Lemire is still treated as a B-lister in DC's stable, Joshua Hale Fialkov was put on I, Vampire, etc. Tony Daniel is still being put on top tier titles. And Scott Lobdell, the less said about him the better. The only difference is that it feels like Scott Snyder and Gail Simone have been promoted to DC's stable of A-listers as opposed to DC's A-list writers being just Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison.
Now there's my point.

I do agree Cornell would've been great on Superman. At the same time though, George Perez is a huge name...even if he hasn't been a full on writer before. So I can't blame them too much for giving him the job.

I can definitely see where DC's choice of creative teams get dicey...Teen Titans, Green Arrow, etc. But the way I look at it is, they more or less knocked it out of the park with Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Thr Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman and Justice League.

And that's a pretty cool thing to do. And it's something they haven't been able to so in several years.

On a separate but related point...I do think DC wouldve been bettered served if they had decided to just leave titles like Red Robin, Teen Titans, etc. the way they were. As it's not like Scott Lobdell or one of the other more obscure new DC books is going to capture any more sales.
 
hippie_hunter said:
The ending was freaking perfect. Scandal marrying both Liana and Knockout and both of them just perfectly going with it felt really ****ed up at first, but then I realized that Secret Six is supposed to be ****ed up, so it's perfect!

:huh:

Why is it ****ed up

I didnt think it was ****ed up at all. I thought it was beautiful lovely and romantic and one of the most heartwarming scenes I've ever read in a comic book.

I loved it and I'm delighted that Simone has stated that its still in continuity and that Scandal, Liana and Knockout are all still married after the relaunch

Simone was born to write Suicide Squad.

Agree with you completely here

Maybe we'll get lucky and DC will kick Glass off Suicide Squad and have Simone write it instead
 
:huh:

Why is it ****ed up

I didnt think it was ****ed up at all. I thought it was beautiful lovely and romantic and one of the most heartwarming scenes I've ever read in a comic book.

I loved it and I'm delighted that Simone has stated that its still in continuity and that Scandal, Liana and Knockout are all still married after the relaunch
Well first of all, I find polygamy to be just wrong. And second, Liana never even met Knockout and she's totally cool with being married to the both of them. And none of her friends object, hell, they're celebrating. At first I was like this is totally selfish and ****ed up of Scandal. But then I remembered, this is Secret Six. It's supposed to feel that way. And once I realized that, it felt kind of heartwarming in a bizarre kind of way.


Agree with you completely here

Maybe we'll get lucky and DC will kick Glass off Suicide Squad and have Simone write it instead
Doubt it. Now that Simone is somewhat within the A-list of DC's writing stable, I think that they're going to try and put her in bigger books as opposed to small scale books like Suicide Squad.
 
I don't think anythings wrong as long as its between consensual adults. If someone wants to marry more than one person I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all as long as everyone in the marriage is happy. And obviously Liana is happy to be married to them both

And of course Liana's friends are celebrating. She's marrying the woman she loves :)

I didn't think Scandal was being selfish and I didnt think it was ****ed up at all. I adored it and it made me feel all warm and fuzzy :hrt:

It was cuteness

Doubt it. Now that Simone is somewhat within the A-list of DC's writing stable, I think that they're going to try and put her in bigger books as opposed to small scale books like Suicide Squad.

Brooklyn Sadness :csad:
 
I do agree Cornell would've been great on Superman. At the same time though, George Perez is a huge name...even if he hasn't been a full on writer before. So I can't blame them too much for giving him the job.
After working with Greg Potter and Len Wein on the writing duties of Wonder Woman, Perez eventually took on the writing duties of the book solo. He also did an issue of Action Comics solo.

I can definitely see where DC's choice of creative teams get dicey...Teen Titans, Green Arrow, etc. But the way I look at it is, they more or less knocked it out of the park with Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Thr Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman and Justice League.

And that's a pretty cool thing to do. And it's something they haven't been able to so in several years.
Very true.

On a separate but related point...I do think DC wouldve been bettered served if they had decided to just leave titles like Red Robin, Teen Titans, etc. the way they were. As it's not like Scott Lobdell or one of the other more obscure new DC books is going to capture any more sales.
As much as I hate to admit this, but before the relaunch, Teen Titans was barely in the top 100. Teen Titans #99 was 98 in the August 2011 charts. Teen Titans #100 was boosted to #68 on account of the anniversary issue, but that's pretty bad for an anniversary issue IMO.

Lobdell's Teen Titans #1 was ranked #15 in the Diamond Charts. Or if you amend it to take into account that Diamond lowered DC's numbers by 10%, it goes up to #12 in the charts.
 
I thought it was an okay issue one though the characterisation of Kid Flash and Wonder Girl annoyed me

Still I'll be sticking with the series
 
I don't think anythings wrong as long as its between consensual adults. If someone wants to marry more than one person I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all as long as everyone in the marriage is happy. And obviously Liana is happy to be married to them both
Maybe my views are a bit skewed on account of how ****ed up American polygamy is. But it still feels ****ed up, like everything else in Secret Six.

And of course Liana's friends are celebrating. She's marrying the woman she loves :)
But they're supposed to be normal people. And typically when normal people see something like that there will be heavy objections on account that Liana has to share the woman she loves with someone else she doesn't even know. They just treat it as it's normal as opposed to reacting over how messed up this entire thing is.

Of course, that's what makes the scene so great IMO.

I didn't think Scandal was being selfish and I didnt think it was ****ed up at all. I adored it and it made me feel all warm and fuzzy :hrt:
When having to come down to a tough decision in choosing between the two women she loves, she decides to have both. That's just being selfish. Normal people don't do that. But then again, everyone in the Secret Six is selfish.

And to say it again, that's what makes this so great. Gail Simone makes these characters selfish because they're villains. They're not good people, they're horrible people like the Bluths from Arrested Development and the Reynoldses from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

It was cuteness
It wasn't cute. It was brilliantly bizarre.
 
Batman has joined Action Comics and Justice League in books that have ordered 200,000+.

Aquaman has joined Batgirl, Batman & Robin, Batman: The Dark Knight, Detective Comics, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Superman in books that have ordered more than 100,000+.

Wonder Woman has joined the club of 100,000+.
 
To be fair she did get a "story by" credit on the Wonder Woman DTV, she did a pretty good job on that. Just sayin'
 
Her first arc was good. :o
 
Maybe my views are a bit skewed on account of how ****ed up American polygamy is. But it still feels ****ed up, like everything else in Secret Six.


But they're supposed to be normal people. And typically when normal people see something like that there will be heavy objections on account that Liana has to share the woman she loves with someone else she doesn't even know. They just treat it as it's normal as opposed to reacting over how messed up this entire thing is.

Of course, that's what makes the scene so great IMO.


When having to come down to a tough decision in choosing between the two women she loves, she decides to have both. That's just being selfish. Normal people don't do that. But then again, everyone in the Secret Six is selfish.

And to say it again, that's what makes this so great. Gail Simone makes these characters selfish because they're villains. They're not good people, they're horrible people like the Bluths from Arrested Development and the Reynoldses from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.


It wasn't cute. It was brilliantly bizarre.

I disagree

I don't think loving more than one person is selfish and I think as long as everyone in the relationship is happy there's nothing wrong with being in a relationship with more than one person or marrying more than one person. My girlfriend and i have been in an open relationship for quite a while and we've both been very happy with it.

I think Scandal choosing to marry both women whom she loves is very unselfish. It woukd be selfish if she forced Liana or Knockout into this marriage when they werent happy to share her love. But as all three women are happy to be married together I don't think there's anything selfish about it at all. I think its heartwarming and lovely :hrt:

I would also disagree that the Six are horrible people. They're anti heroes and most of them are deeply damaged screwed up and possibly even insane. But I don't consider any of the Six horrible people except for Cheshire

I didn't find it messed up at all. I thought it was touching and beautiful. One of my favourite scenes in the series and it made me :) to see my favourite member of the Secret Six find some happiness
 
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