DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 6

[SuperFerret]

I've heard that more than just three times and I still don't really care. I can get my non-superhero fill elsewhere.

 

[Kevin]

There have been no "Crisis'" says Danny D.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/01/all-crisis-events-removed-from-dc-continuity/

 

[hippie_hunter]

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[HighFivingMF]

For those in crisis over Crisis, let me clarify. The topic of Crisis was much discussed among the editors and talent working on The New 52. With so many characters and histories restarting, major events like Crisis are harder to place when they work for some and not for others. (that was one of the problems coming out of the original Crisis). While we are starting aprx five years into our heroes’ lives, we are focused on the characters present and future, and past histories will be revealed as the stories dictate. Yes, there have been “crisis” in our characters lives, but they aren’t exactly the Crisis you read before, they can’t be. Now, what this means for characters seen and unseen…… well, that’s the fun of The New 52, infinite stories, infinite possibilities, with the best yet to come.

Thanks, as always for your interest and enthusiasm in The New 52. DD

P.S. that’s the last time I try and answer a Facebook question before rushing out for dinner.

I don't understand why people are trying to find out how everything fits together. Flashpoint. Relaunch. Different.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Except Crisis on Infinite Earths, Zero Hour, and Infinite Crisis changed the very fabric of the DC Multiverse, something that Flashpoint didn't even touch upon. Getting rid of certain stories out of continuity I can understand due to the change in the timeline, but getting rid of the stories that fundamentally created how the universe functions is a whole other manner.

 

[Lord]

I don't have a problem when events like infinite crisis retcon past events but when they decide to make a reboot with all the comics back to 1 things like this shouldn't happen

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't have a problem when events like infinite crisis retcon past events but when they decide to make a reboot with all the comics back to 1 things like this shouldn't happen

But the Crises didn't just retcon past events. That's all fine and dandy. But considering how DC still has 52 universes (created by Infinite Crisis by the way) and the new continuity was created from merging New Earth with Earth-13, Earth-50, and the Dakotaverse (as opposed to ending New Earth), it doesn't make any sense to get rid of the Crises stories.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I read DiDio's comments there and basically see, "Quit bugging me about the past. If it happened, we'll show it to you someday in the new continuity. Otherwise, assume it didn't."

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well maybe they should have done a better job in creating the new continuity and people wouldn't bug DiDio.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, maybe they started this whole new continuity because they didn't want to spend so much time worrying about continuity anymore!

Wait, what's happening here? Did I just defend DiDio?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well, maybe they started this whole new continuity because they didn't want to spend so much time worrying about continuity anymore!

Wait, what's happening here? Did I just defend DiDio?

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with shifting continuity. But considering that the very fabric of the Multiverse that DC loves so much is based off of the Crises stories, it doesn't make any sense to get rid of them when the fundamental core of what created the Multiverse is still the same.

The only way saying that the events that changed the very nature of the Multiverse works never happened is if Flashpoint destroyed and recreated the entire Multiverse, which it didn't do.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Unless it did. You don't knooooooowww....

 

[Watchman]

I can see how COIE and Infinite Crisis didn't happen but not having Final kind of conflicts with everything happening in Batman since that kept it's continuity. Whatever, I'm not going to even try to figure it out. Enjoying it is easier.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, f*** it. DC doesn't care about their continuity, so why should I bother to? I'm gonna assume everything's the same unless they say or show it's not in an issue. And then, if the changes are as bad as they have been so far, I'll probably drop whatever comic it is.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Unless it did. You don't knooooooowww....

Except the scene that showed the creation of the post-Flashpoint DC Universe did not destroy the Multiverse. It looks like that the DCnU was created by some kind of merger between New Earth (which had the Dakotaverse already merged into it) with Earth-13 and Earth-50. Asides from the Dakotaverse, Earth-13, and Earth-50, all other Earths in the DC Multiverse should be unaffected. Or if you want to look at it as a merger of three timelines within New Earth, then you have to contend that this is still New Earth.

And just how was New Earth created? By recreating the multiverse, only for it to collapse into the post-Crisis DC Universe (which was already altered by Zero Hour) and with the excess of energies that were too much for Earth to handle then created the 52 universe Multiverse that we know today. The Multiverse cannot exist without Infinite Crisis.

And how was the post-Crisis DC Universe created? By destroying the Multiverse and merging Earth-1, Earth-2, Earth-4, Earth-S, and Earth-X into one Earth.

The core fundamental of merging Earths was not changed by Flashpoint. If anything, Flashpoint further expanded upon it. Therefore it makes no sense to just say that the Crises never happened.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I refuse to agonize over this that much. I'm just going along with whatever they say in the comics now.

 

[Watchman]

All question have one answer: Crazy hooded purple lady did it off panel.

 

[Kurosawa]

Basically the Crisis' happened, but the DCnU Earth never experienced them. Like they never had "the Crisis" with the Monitor and the Red Skies on their Earth because it was several different Earths smashed together. Pre-Crisis Earths were created by addition, Post-Crisis Earths are created by destruction. Very appropriate, since destruction is what modern comics are all about.

 

[SuperFerret]

Anyway, I'm making a conscious decision not to worry about continuity anymore.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Before I open any new 52 book I simply state to myself "Relaunch. Different." and do you know how many times I've been angered by a continuity change? None.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Pretty much. I can get other genres outside of comics.

And yet most of the non-superhero or more vertigo-esque somewhat superhero books have been better than majority of the superhero books.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I've heard that more than just three times and I still don't really care. I can get my non-superhero fill elsewhere.

That's a bit of a limited stance to take. That's like saying, "I choose to watch romantic comedies and only romantic comedies, and refuse to look at any other movie genre. I can get my fill of horror and crime stories by reading novels." You're cutting yourself off from a whole range of quality stories you'd probably like based on a purely arbitrary self-exclusion.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Thats why they shouldve just done a complete reboot instead of picking and choosing. But since no Crisis' have come about in nuEarth, that means all the new gods should still be alive.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I think in some interview/article it was labeled that this new Earth is called Earth Prime. Anyone else see that interview/article too? I can't recall who or when.

 

[SuperFerret]

And yet most of the non-superhero or more vertigo-esque somewhat superhero books have been better than majority of the superhero books.

But I don't want to read them.

That's a bit of a limited stance to take. That's like saying, "I choose to watch romantic comedies and only romantic comedies, and refuse to look at any other movie genre. I can get my fill of horror and crime stories by reading novels." You're cutting yourself off from a whole range of quality stories you'd probably like based on a purely arbitrary self-exclusion.

That's pretty much what I do with movies, TV, music, books and games too. I know what I like, I like what I like and I stick to it. Just because something is of high quality doesn't mean I'll like it or that I should try it.