DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 6

[Mystirious]

Brooklyn Rage!

 

[HighFivingMF]

Wait

...

Whut

So Catwoman does not know Bruce is Batman. But the stories where she knows Bruce is Batman are still in continuity

I dare that to make less sense

From this point on I'mma assume that Catwoman takes place in the past

It's a relaunch. The things that happened happened differently, but had the same general outcome. I don't see why people don't get it.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

People are thinking too hard about this hehe

 

[Mystirious]

Oh it doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the stories or anything

But I do think Selina not knowing who Bruce is is silly

 

[Anubis]

If you want people to get over it, then don't have an expansive, cohesive universe with a history. Just tell one and done stories with no continuity, cuz once you start connecting things, well, people get used to it. People like it. And they don't f**kin' want you to up and change it for no f**kin' reason.

 

[Panthro]

I was thinking more along the lines of the main ones.

Honestly, Wally wasn't doing s**t that whole time. He shoulda at least been in JLA.

Or maybe Wally should have kept the primary Flash title and Barry (whom I harbor nothing against as fictional characters go) could have been put in JLA. Think up some reason for Wally to bow out of the JLA for a while and let Barry take his spot.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Oh it doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the stories or anything

But I do think Selina not knowing who Bruce is is silly

haha nice. Your uber-mature about your enjoyment of things.

 

[Mystirious]

I've never been called 'mature' before

 

[Hush]

Clearly diagrams has no idea who you are, I mean this in the nicest way but your not mature at all. Haha

 

[Lord]

It's a relaunch. The things that happened happened differently, but had the same general outcome. I don't see why people don't get it.

I get it, but unlike the Marvel Universe where things hapen like this and what you're reading is a follow up that changed the past, with this reboot, where every comics went back to 1, even the ones that last for more than 70 years like Detective Comics, Batman, Superman and Action Comics, i expect things to be less confusing, come on, when you do that to such an old title things should go back to zero, this is supposed to be a starting point not just another retcon.

 

[Anubis]

That's all it is. Just random retcons.

They shoulda just started over completely. When you take one thing away, it has an effect on everything else. If this person didn't do this, then this didn't happen. That's what happens when you have a connected universe.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I really like what's going on in Batman and Robin. Plus Gleason is really knocking it out of the park on the artwork. The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that they seem to be ignoring the character development between Dick and Damian from the previous Batman and Robin series. Maybe they aren't but it just seems like that with the way they are going between Bruce and Damian. Still digging it but hoping they don't forget all that time Damian spent with Dick and what was contributed to Damian's damaged psyche.

 

[Saint]

Unfortunately, the truth is that Batman has come out of this reboot worse off than anyone--because unlike characters who got ground-up reboots (for better or worse), his history just no longer makes any damn sense.

Every Robin has been packed into the last five years (including a year where Bruce was missing and Dick, who is twenty-one, was Batman)--and if you don't know what that means, it means almost every in continuity story happened in the last five years, too.

They say Batman has been operating for years in secret, but basically the only significant story we can attribute to that time is Year One. If the rise of supercrime and the debut of Robin coincide with the five year timeline, that basically means that for years Batman was beating up thugs and nothing else--and then his entire relevant history occurred in a five year timespan.

In five years he's had his back broken and recovered, he's been replaced twice, he took on Dick, Dick left, he met Jason, Jason died, he met Tim, Tim left, he met Barbara, Barbara was shot, he met Cassandra, Cassandra left, he met Stephanie, Stephanie left, Gotham has been destroyed, sat as a No Man's Land for a year, was rebuilt, he's left the city for a Year (OYL, which must still be in continuity if Morrison's work is supposed to remain intact), he's gone missing for a year (ROBW)... and let's not even get started on when, exactly, Bruce fathered Damian.

It's a huge mess, and nothing makes sense any more. The relationships between the characters have been affected (Batman and Catwoman being the obvious), the way history falls together is now impossible to reconcile, and in the end, even though they claim that Batman's history was mostly unchanged, it's probably safer to assume that your favourite stories either didn't happen, or happened completely differently. Hell, I bet No Man's Land didn't even happen, which requires and entirely new origin for a character like Cassandra Cain.

It's the DC version of Marvel's terrible "no more marriage" retcon. It's just breaks continuity.

I think that, as a whole, the individual titles in this reboot have been extremely successful--but when it comes to the structure of the universe as a whole, they have really dropped the ball. Everything is broken because they either can't decide or won't tell us exactly what's different and what's not, or because they want to have their cake and eat it too.

It shocks me that Geoff Johns, who is a master of retcons, would allow something so sloppy to happen. They need to rectify this with a set of stories to establish what's still in continuity for characters like Batman, Green Lantern, and Superman--and truthfully, I'm not optimistic, because any story that tries to compress and retell history is sure to be inferior to the pre-Flashpoint original.

 

[Lord]

While One More Day was terrible with the Marvel Universe things are supposed to move forwars and there was probably a big mind wipe, since One More Day wasn't supposed to be a reboot i understand and don't think fans should look too much into it.

Now with DC comics this is supposed to be a reboot, to get new readers, and they just make it a retcon, shame

 

[SuperFerret]

Saint, you're thinking too much.

 

[Anubis]

F**k that, this situation forces you to think too much.

 

[SuperFerret]

Why can't you just read the stories?

 

[Anubis]

Because when you alter a characters history, you alter their personalities. With events no longer in their past, they act completely different. Essentially, by eliminating history, you change the characters. You change the characters, then you're not reading a story about, say Starfire, you're reading about some alien slave princess who has bottled up her emotions due to traumatic events and has meaningless sex with random jerk offs. And you know what? As crazy as that sounds, that bothers some people.

History effects most peoples perceptions of things. Therefore, if what you're reading about a character that is now sooo dramatically different from what you previously know about a character, well, some people can't help but hate what they see.

Is what you're reading now good? Who cares? That thing in the back of your head is still there. Saying, this is some boos**t. They would never do this. And yet, new Universe. Now they would. And that....is.....infuriating.

 

[Drz]

DC Comics Create The DC Workshop – Internal Program For New Writers Ah finally my chance to shine and write my drafts of Wonder Woman vs. Al Bundy the champion of Men, oh and a drug issue of Damian getting exposed to drugs and talking like Miller's Batman, yes! Here i come DC comics!

 

[Saint]

Why can't you just read the stories?

What I'm talking about is the story. If you break continuity you've broken the ongoing narrative.

 

[JAK®]

Thinking about it, continuity has done very little for DC characters.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Continuity is responsible for a ton of DC's characters. Entire generations of heroes wouldn't exist without continuity. Dick Grayson would still be Robin and we'd never have heard of Jason Todd or Tim Drake, for example.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

or Wally. oh wait, we still don't have Wally.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I've never been called 'mature' before

haha most people mature some day. Also, youre quite polite. zank u.

and yeah continuity is more of a burden on story telling when it becomes large. I personally rather not get too caught up in it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Continuity is only a burden to terrible writers.