DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 8

[hippie_hunter]

Dan DiDio's latest answer on Wally West, seriously, I don't get why they didn't use this answer in the first place instead of the rude, dismissive ones in they have become known for:

“I have a question about something said at the all-access panel, yesterday,” I started to go into a question about Harras’s insistence that it isn’t strange for Karen Berger to edit China Mieville and that they were “one company” but before, I could get to it, Dan anticipated another question altogether.

“You’re going to ask about Wally West,” he said.


“No, but my wife is a really big Wally West fan,” and then he went on.
“This is not for you,” Dan said, indicating me and by extension Bleeding Cool, “this is for her.” He explained that fans had grown up with Wally West, seen him get married and have children and with the de-aging of Barry Allen, it would cheat those fans who grew to love Wally to de-age him as well. “But don’t go quoting me on that,” he said with a laugh.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

it's still a non-answer, and still hypocritical. It's okay to de-age Barry, but not okay to de-age Wally? get your ****ing **** straight, DiDio.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's a pretty stupid answer regardless. It would cheat the fans to de-age Wally, but it's somehow not cheating those same fans by squirreling Wally away to the extent that no one even knows whether he exists anymore?

 

[Mystirious]

He's chilling out in comic book limbo with Linda living in luxury

He gets royalties for every trade paperback of his stories sold

 

[Mystirious]

He's chilling out in comic book limbo with Linda living in luxury

He gets royalties for every trade paperback of his stories sold

 

[hippie_hunter]

It's a pretty stupid answer regardless. It would cheat the fans to de-age Wally, but it's somehow not cheating those same fans by squirreling Wally away to the extent that no one even knows whether he exists anymore?

I dunno, I think I kinda have to go with DiDio here. After everything that has been done to Barry in the Flashpoint reboot, I think I'd rather have no Wally West and just go back and enjoy his previous and excellent adventures than a Wally West that is nothing like the Wally that I came to enjoy and just get pissed off that one of my favorite DC characters has become a complete and total bastardization. I don't need another Teen Titans incident.

 

[Saint]

I dunno, I think I kinda have to go with DiDio here. After everything that has been done to Barry in the Flashpoint reboot, I think I'd rather have no Wally West and just go back and enjoy his previous and excellent adventures than a Wally West that is nothing like the Wally that I came to enjoy and just get pissed off that one of my favorite DC characters has become a complete and total bastardization. I don't need another Teen Titans incident.

Given how frustrating I find many of the changes in New 52 (not all, mind you--just as many changes have been successful), I'm willing to admit that a ruined Wally West could have been even more offensive than a disappeared one.

With a truly excellent writer, I might have been able to accept Wally as Kid Flash again--but given the disaster that is Teen Titans, I'm relieved it didn't happen.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Having Wally return to the role of Kid Flash would be just as horrid as having Dick return to the role of Robin.

 

[Kurosawa]

Having Wally return to the role of Kid Flash would be just as horrid as having Dick return to the role of Robin.

I'd have no problem with either one if it was a true total reboot and they were the only KF and Robin.

The correct answer is Wally West is the Flash of Earth-One where COIE didn't happen and Barry lives in the future with Iris.

 

[Anubis]

If Earth 2 had been a proper Earth 2, who would have taken up the Flash mantel if Jay retired?

 

[CConn]

It's a pretty stupid answer regardless. It would cheat the fans to de-age Wally, but it's somehow not cheating those same fans by squirreling Wally away to the extent that no one even knows whether he exists anymore?

I'm sure he doesn't even exist anymore.

Every time they're asked about him, the DC editorial staff sound like a jilted wife who's husband went out for cigarettes and never came back.

 

[Kurosawa]

If Earth 2 had been a proper Earth 2, who would have taken up the Flash mantel if Jay retired?

Maybe Jessie Chambers, there is no Barry Allen or Iris West on Earth-Two, or at least we've never seen one.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I dunno, I think I kinda have to go with DiDio here. After everything that has been done to Barry in the Flashpoint reboot, I think I'd rather have no Wally West and just go back and enjoy his previous and excellent adventures than a Wally West that is nothing like the Wally that I came to enjoy and just get pissed off that one of my favorite DC characters has become a complete and total bastardization. I don't need another Teen Titans incident.

There's no reason Wally couldn't just be another Flash with his history intact but bumped down a few years. Have him marry Iris a little earlier or just be dating Iris and get rid of the kids. Who really gave a s*** about his kids anyway? They were in like 2 stories, neither of which was especially good.

But no, that would take a bit of the spotlight off their precious Barry, whom we absolutely must be made to love. Fact is, I think they just shuffled Wally away because they knew Barry wouldn't be successful if readers had the option of ignoring him and reading a Wally series instead.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Fact is, I think they just shuffled Wally away because they knew Barry wouldn't be successful if readers had the option of ignoring him and reading a Wally series instead.

If Wally was that special they would have just made Wally the main Flash.

 

[Anubis]

No high fives for you.

 

[HighFivingMF]

No high fives for you.

I love Wally, but "They're not using Wally because he'd make more money" is ridiculous. If they thought something would make more money, they'd use that.

 

[Anubis]

Would they?

 

[Kurosawa]

Absolutely they would. And Barry Allen is not precious to them. Just like Hal Jordan, the character that is running around being called "Barry Allen" is at best a caricature of the real thing.

The main reason they aren't using Wally is they feel they can make more money with Barry and that Wally's story is too reliant on Barry's death. The second they feel killing Barry and bringing back Wally will make them more money than what they are currently doing, they'll do it. Or when Geoff Johns is officially washed up and some Post-Post COIE fanboy becomes their top writer.

Just remember, the whole thing about Geoff Johns being a Silver Age fanboy is a total lie. He wouldn't know a well-plotted story if it smacked him in the mouth, he's not a learned guy like Fox and Broome were, and he writes sick, childish, sadistic **** that is not proper reading or proper toilet paper. His characters named "Barry Allen" and "Hal Jordan" have little resemblance to the real characters as created by their real creators, guys that DC have spent the biggest part of the last 25 years ****ting on as they kill their creations and their concepts. **** DC, **** Geoff Johns, **** COIE. DC died in 1985, if not in 1980 when that bastard Wolfman came over from Marvel and started plotting the Multiverse's destruction as he killed hundreds of characters that weren't his.

 

[taskmaster]

Jesus Christ, will you ever go away? We get it, you hate everything having to do with the modern DC Universe. Make a thread about your old favorites and stay there. Surely it would be more enjoyable to talk about things you like rather than *****ing incessantly about people reading things that you hate? Your elitism reflects negatively on the stories you'd like others to read. You never shy away from telling people who are reading comics now that what they're reading is terrible and that what you like is infinitely better. Instead you should be telling them that you see that they're interested in these characters and maybe they should check out these older stories.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I love Wally, but "They're not using Wally because he'd make more money" is ridiculous. If they thought something would make more money, they'd use that.

They believed Barry would make them more money solely because Hal proved successful. They're literally just trying to ape the GL success story with Barry in Hal's place. I doubt there was much analysis of which character readers might prefer; they saw Hal make a bunch of money when he was reintroduced so they figured, "Drop whatever's going on with the Flash and do the same thing!"

 

[lixdexia]

They believed Barry would make them more money solely because Hal proved successful. They're literally just trying to ape the GL success story with Barry in Hal's place. I doubt there was much analysis of which character readers might prefer; they saw Hal make a bunch of money when he was reintroduced so they figured, "Drop whatever's going on with the Flash and do the same thing!"

yeah, but they'd been doing that with the flash for a few years. it's not like barry coming back is what put wally on the bench, it was just the nail in the coffin.

 

[RockSP]

There's no reason Wally couldn't just be another Flash with his history intact but bumped down a few years. Have him marry Iris a little earlier or just be dating Iris and get rid of the kids.

Wait, you want Wally to date and/or marry his aunt? Kurosawa is right, you modern day fans are sick and twisted individuals!!

 

[CConn]

Absolutely they would. And Barry Allen is not precious to them. Just like Hal Jordan, the character that is running around being called "Barry Allen" is at best a caricature of the real thing.

The main reason they aren't using Wally is they feel they can make more money with Barry and that Wally's story is too reliant on Barry's death. The second they feel killing Barry and bringing back Wally will make them more money than what they are currently doing, they'll do it. Or when Geoff Johns is officially washed up and some Post-Post COIE fanboy becomes their top writer.

Just remember, the whole thing about Geoff Johns being a Silver Age fanboy is a total lie. He wouldn't know a well-plotted story if it smacked him in the mouth, he's not a learned guy like Fox and Broome were, and he writes sick, childish, sadistic **** that is not proper reading or proper toilet paper. His characters named "Barry Allen" and "Hal Jordan" have little resemblance to the real characters as created by their real creators, guys that DC have spent the biggest part of the last 25 years ****ting on as they kill their creations and their concepts. **** DC, **** Geoff Johns, **** COIE. DC died in 1985, if not in 1980 when that bastard Wolfman came over from Marvel and started plotting the Multiverse's destruction as he killed hundreds of characters that weren't his.

I've said it before, but whenever you go on these little rants, you do a disservice to the truth in what you're saying by using such immature verbiage.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Wait, you want Wally to date and/or marry his aunt? Kurosawa is right, you modern day fans are sick and twisted individuals!!

Or his daughter.

 

[SuperFerret]

I've still got a treasure trove of Wally-centric Flash comics to choose from, so I'm happy.

Would I be happy to see him again in new comics? Yeah, of course.

Am I a fan of Barry Allen? Yes, I am. I like the entire Flash mythos.

Do I like that he was resurrected? Nope.

Am I on board with every change in the new DCU? Of course not, but I've made up my mind to not turn into Kurosawa, and I'm sticking to that.