Legends of Tomorrow DC'S Legends of Tomorrow Season 1 Episode 1: "Pilot, Part 1"

[DarthSkywalker]

Next episode is called "Pilot, Part 2". Seems like the producers wanted to do a 2 hour premiere and CW decided not to.

I agree, but once they realized it wasn't airing on the same night, they took their original pilot idea and shrunk it down.

 

[terry78]

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/649893-legends-of-tomorrow-ratings#/slide/1

Excellent ratings.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Decent ratings. CW put A LOT of promotion into this show so I expected it to get good numbers or else that would just be sad.

 

[Webhead2006]

We have no clue what plans was if they wanted to or not. Unless the producers say anything. Again things where likely locked in as cw likely wanted all there shows back this week and next.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We have no clue what plans was if they wanted to or not. Unless the producers say anything. Again things where likely locked in as cw likely wanted all there shows back this week and next.

I prefer the idea that they changed their original idea over them just writing a I really mediocre episode. Especially when you can see where they probably started cutting from a bigger script.

 

[Webhead2006]

No I was talking on why episode was only 1 hr instead of two nothing on scope of script. Again we have no clue why airing was spilt. Could have been producers call could have been cw we don't know.

 

[gummybear]

Really good start of the series.
Most shows tend to have rather boring pilots, but here we dive right into the action.
It of course helps that the characters are already known from the flash and arrow, except Rip Hunter (which I kind of like already).

Also, really nice to finally have a good show with both superheroes, science fiction and time travel.

 

[aNarcHy2day]

Decent start, I think. The initial 10-15 where they had a batch of cutscenes just seemed too rushed to me but it got to a steady story-telling pace later. Also, the camera work is almost visibly different and not always to my liking. But all-in-all I do like the premise and it looks promising.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No I was talking on why episode was only 1 hr instead of two nothing on scope of script. Again we have no clue why airing was spilt. Could have been producers call could have been cw we don't know.

What is the point of a two part premiere if the plan is to split it?

 

[Webhead2006]

Could be many reasons. Again the producers could have wanted it spilt. Could have been cw didn't allow it cause of schedules for there shows returning and in line for when seasons to end or loads of other behind the scenes stuff.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Could be many reasons. Again the producers could have wanted it spilt. Could have been cw didn't allow it cause of schedules for there shows returning and in line for when seasons to end or loads of other behind the scenes stuff.

Okay, what is your point then? I said the premiere had a clear pacing problem. like was shrunk down. They have a two-part premiere, but didn't use it as such. That is my point. Your point seems to be, we don't know so lets not discussion, which is weird.

 

[Webhead2006]

I was just saying we don't know why it was spilt and if it wasn't spilt if pacing would have been better.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was just saying we don't know why it was spilt and if it wasn't spilt if pacing would have been better.

And my point is they clearly condensed the narrative of the first story. As if they wanted to tell a 85min tale, but couldn't. So they condensed it down. How the episode plays out is not part one of two. It is a "complete" story, just not well told.

 

[Webhead2006]

Again we don't know what was going on. Again really if folks have such a issue they should ask the guys on twitter and see if they get a answer.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Again we don't know what was going on. Again really if folks have such a issue they should ask the guys on twitter and see if they get a answer.

Or we can discuss it here. We don't need to know what happen to discuss how the episode plays out.

 

[JC00]

I believe there was a report that they had to rewrite the pilot. So maybe CW told them to write it as a 2-part episode instead of 1 big episode that fit 2 hours.

 

[Webhead2006]

Could be that simple.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I believe there was a report that they had to rewrite the pilot. So maybe CW told them to write it as a 2-part episode instead of 1 big episode that fit 2 hours.

Except they seemed to do the exact opposite.

 

[JJmelo]

Aside from the slightly rushed feel I thought the episode played out pretty well. It works a lot better if you've been keeping up with the other shows, I can see newcomers getting really confused.

Savage seems like a weak link so far. Didn't like him in the crossover and the pilot didn't do anything for me. I hope he doesn't end unlike Ra's (all hype no substance). But with all of time to play around with the sheer amount of fan service and opportunities for other villains to pop in make up for that negative.

Also, some of the team chemistry could use some work but given they just started working together I expect some growing pains. All in all it was pretty good.

If anyone cares for my further thoughts I have a full review
http://otlnews.net/2016/01/22/legends-of-tomorrow-review-ep-1-pilot-part-1/

 

[zenith16]

My question is, is it the the acting/directing, or the character/writing.

I feel like overall, Laurel has never been written well. She had what seemed to be a saving grace at the end of season 2, but then they focused more on Felicity and making her the lead, that Laurel was just a background character.

Like I'd really love to see her and Oliver just get along without drama or fighting. Like, show that they are friends and respect each other.

it's the writing my man here's why this same happen in small ville with Lana season 2 til 7 and cloe season 9 til 10 and bit with lois

but I'll list the problem the way they started off with laurel was overly toxic, with how they had her relation ship with oliver with him cheating on her. but what messed her up was season 2 where we were supposed to sympathize with her but they screwed it up when Sara came and save her but this was during Laurel's drunk addicted to alcohol period and she chose to attack her sister at the time sara save her and too k back to her apartment.

now also the issue with laurel she pick up ever bad habit oliver has which we discovered he picked up from his parents cause she and sara were some how be raised by the queen both of them stated in the show that they did all their growing in the queens mansion.

in any case most of the secret keeping that back fires on them both is a queens thing. and as we saw with Oliver so is this weird ego problem and not listing to people when they warn him about something.

remember last season when Oliver in arrow finally told us via diggle the reason of how he got into this mess with Raz was that he was mad that he lost a fight to him at all on that mountain .

they were suppose making statement about oliver having
PTSD but it became about ego with the way he stated it.


which indeed scream ego . he had the city endangered for it made it go on longer then it should have do to all this . he also let Malcolm play around with that supposed fake threat of releasing that video of thea killing sara and said Malcolm was never gonna do that after he met Ra'z

So it was pointless protecting Malcolm at all . Oliver could have ether let raz have Malcolm the entire time or told captain Lance (woh still doesn't the detail til this day not from laurel or Oliver)what went down and it was malcoms doing but again chose to act stupid.

laurel did the same with her self this season with choosing to make stupid chose and then act beyond bull head acting like Oliver then had people repeated have to point it out to her with her acknowledging it til it was beyond too late pretty much like oliver did with the Raz Al ghoul situation.

oh with Lana this happen every she was with clark and three things happen she blame him for certain events acted like a hypercritical person was rarely called out for it til later season's by cloe and sadly people started hating the actress due to the writing of the show for all this and the fact the writers were weirdly turning the show about her in between season's 2 to 7 . and it looked like the story of Lana the girl that got away instead of it about it being Clark's story for a bit and the fact it was about clark that lana missed out on being with.



oh Cloe yeah alot of people forget this part. this happened when oliver was around for it too . but season's 9 to 10 cloe became a manipulative and hypercritical person character her self.

her marriage with jimmy fell apart and when he died she tried to have clark use time travel to get him back be for when jimmy was playing spy for Oliver and met that gambling villain Roulette she had that same villainess try to kill off Oliver hit man/ I should say woman style and some of the stuff she accused Lana of she started doing and she kinda forgot jimmy fast when she entered her relation ship with oliver.
but part of that later part was speeded up due to the show trying to end. but there was some weird bad stuff there.



there's Lois no not how she always ragged on clark but during the college arc and how she started working at the daily planet with lex cone brother Julian who just had her work there she didn't earn her way in beside the fact most of the people there didn't work their like cloe did. but the worst part of the bad writing was the fact that the writers made her ignore the fact jimmy died and her and him were good buddy when she did start acting like a reporter for the planet. but she didn't he was murdered and didn't utter a word about him being missing or her missing him. Nada



the only person that missed Jimmy Olsen beside clark was Oliver but the writers were so having go after his wife in fast manner too.

the issue yeah with other writers yes Laurel is seen differently and more fun you know why they are bring the annoying baggage of strain that arrow has and the atmosphere in flash was always different from arrow where every is made to be at each other throats due to every fallowing the bad habits of Oliver with doing the same things he does after he's done it.


Cisco hasn't fallen into this trap in flash the only person doing this the most is Joe west so far . barry fallowed joe for a bit with iris. but he's having other issues. but the difference there is they aren't putting strain every where you with the show of flash. it's fun atmosphere show



also to point out and keep in topic of this thread kendra /shy'era did do some that was trouble some but she bounced back with her apology to Rip hunter cause she was decking and blaming for him being shot when she was the one that made sure that son of her's was taken with them . this is something almost never done on arrow where oliver and laruel involved cause they are beyond bull headed after they have acted stupidly.

kendra /shy'era owns up to her mistakes. it take day's for oliver and laurel to admit they are in the wrong next to captain lance too.

alot of people always tend to blame the actor's . or in this case the actress's but in truth they are only doing what in the script and I'm sure they always consult withthe director on the emotions that are supposed to be conveyed afterthe writers done with the script.

the fault isn't with the actress's but the fact that the characters are doing stupid things and aren't being honest when they are in the wrong or being beyond bull head when they warned about doing some or saying sorry. it takes alot for the main characters in arrow to do this. while the atmosphere flash and legend (for the time being with the latter show) is different they aren't that many hypercritical characters compared to the show they sun off from. and there more fun instead of let's pour on the strain

 

[Herolee10]

I would definitely love to hear, at some point, on what the Time Masters think about all of the Time Traveling and alternations that have been made to the timeline as a result of Barry's and Thawne's actions.

Technically speaking, the Universe that we're watching is an altered timeline in itself since Reverse Flash killed Barry's mother, which presumably didn't happen in the original timeline.

We also know that Thawne had encountered Rip at some point in his travels as well.

 

[Pokkle]

It was a fun start, better than Arrow s3 and s4.
I like Heatwave better than before.
I hope that there won't be too much cw drama.

Rip Hunter should just use his flash gun to beat Savage and the Bounty Hunter in one shot.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Just saw this and thought it was a ton of fun.

I don't know if it's the writer or the director, but it seemed like they got a lot more mileage out of some of the characters than on Arrow and Flash. I never cared for Sara Lance, but I thought she was a total badass here. The actors all had great chemistry. The comedy also seemed much better than usual, more natural, at least in comparison to what you get on Arrow with Felicity.

The Hawks are pretty lame though, and a lot of effects and set design sorta feels like Power Rangers. Still fun though.

 

[Nathan]

Hopefully some of Sara's badassness will rub off on Chay-Ara. This adventure needs to turn her into a proper warrior.

 

[Webhead2006]

hopefully