The Dark Knight Rises Deacon Joseph Blackfire

[Paste Pot Pete]

Yeah, it's important to remember that the Joker didn't win "the battle for Gotham's soul."

We really don't know the emotional state of Gotham at the beginning of TDKR. On one hand, Harvey Dent is dead. On the other, they think he died a hero, not a villain. On one hand, Batman is now seen as a villain. On the other, James Gordon is now Commishioner and surely doubling efforts to clean things up. The Joker left a lot of destruction in his wake, but he's locked in Arkham now. And if Batman and Gordon succeeded, then Harvey's case against the mob should hold up, so that's more villains off the street.

Things were much worse for Gotham at the end of Begins,what with Scarecrow and dozens of other Arkham nuts running around. Batman himself is in a much darker place now, but the city seems to be doing okay.

 

[Lungrocket]

Yeah, okay. Fair points all around. But again, perhaps he is set up NOT to be a man of faith, from all prior tragic events that happened to him, but slowly finds faith throughout the story.

Just saying, it could be done or worked out. Not saying it will. But you never know.

 

[Lungrocket]

Batman could RISE meaning he sees the light. Whatever happens though, I'd like to see something like i suggested above for Bruce/Bats to struggle with and overcome inside him, thereby making him once again the main character like in Begins.

I still feel Nolan lost sight of him in TDK a bit. I want Bruce/Bats on the emmotional journey...whatever the journey is doesn't matter.

 

[SentinelMind]

I'm impressed by Lung's persistence. I think Deacon Blackfire would be a good villain.....

...for an HBO/MTV animated miniseries. I don't think he has enough marketing flare to gain approval from studio and I don't think watching Batman self-destruct the same way Peter did in SM3 to a pony-tailed deacon when he's supposedly rising is the best path for a billion dollar blockbuster. That's just my opinion, though.

 

[Lungrocket]

I'm impressed by Lung's persistence. I think Deacon Blackfire would be a good villain.....

Thank you. Let's just stop right there. Its perfect! t: No? You wish to continue. Okay, I'll bite...

...for an HBO/MTV animated miniseries. I don't think he has enough marketing flare to gain approval from studio and I don't think watching Batman self-destruct the same way Peter did in SM3 to a pony-tailed deacon when he's supposedly rising is the best path for a billion dollar blockbuster. That's just my opinion, though.

Okay...I agree he doesn't have enough marketing flare. Good point, but you could bring the marketing flare with his cult -- a madman who takes control of an entire city -- as well as a safer more comic-book friendly costumed supporting villain like say Catwoman, etc. It's win win.

 

[BryterAtlas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKUfmFL3Cs&feature=related

Excuse me, but the death of Gotham's white knight(DENT) & pending hostility/outcry towards Mr. Bat seem to me a perfect set up for the conception of a public figure whose outcry speaks volumes with a city in limbo between dusk & dawn. Anyone ever heard of the tea party movement? Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Phelps or even Pat Robertson? These are men who play on our fears with bombastic lingo kind enough to offer scapegoats, black & white logic, and plain old manipulation which further their own idealogical motives. The state of media, and emphasis on ignorance this nation has been forced to dwindle in is perfect territory for Nolan's underlying themes.

Gotham is a society in peril. From that peril comes the preacher with all the answer, all the bullock to really drive a crowd. Nobody ever said Nolan had to deliver a straight retread of The Cult's Blackfire. He doesn't even need to be religious, as political zealots/pundits seem to have delivered this era a very similar breed of foxes in sheep's clothing. Nolan doesn't cater to purist expectation. These are characters open to interpretation & furthermore, innovation.

Gotham isn't a city. Gotham is the beating heart of empires, societies, & what enforces our humanity.

 

[The Guard]

Which one of the actresses up for the roles do you think is playing Deacon Blackfire?

 

[Bat-Mite]

Which one of the actresses up for the roles do you think is playing Deacon Blackfire?

I'm sure it will be Cher.

 

[The Guard]

I just threw up in my soul a little.

 

[Keyser Soze]

[BLACKOUT]Hugo Strange 4 teh win. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Lungrocket]

Which one of the actresses up for the roles do you think is playing Deacon Blackfire?

Tom Hardy.

Although he might prefer the term, actor.

 

[Lungrocket]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKUfmFL3Cs&feature=related

Excuse me, but the death of Gotham's white knight(DENT) & pending hostility/outcry towards Mr. Bat seem to me a perfect set up for the conception of a public figure whose outcry speaks volumes with a city in limbo between dusk & dawn. Anyone ever heard of the tea party movement? Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Phelps or even Pat Robertson? These are men who play on our fears with bombastic lingo kind enough to offer scapegoats, black & white logic, and plain old manipulation which further their own idealogical motives. The state of media, and emphasis on ignorance this nation has been forced to dwindle in is perfect territory for Nolan's underlying themes.

Gotham is a society in peril. From that peril comes the preacher with all the answer, all the bullock to really drive a crowd. Nobody ever said Nolan had to deliver a straight retread of The Cult's Blackfire. He doesn't even need to be religious, as political zealots/pundits seem to have delivered this era a very similar breed of foxes in sheep's clothing. Nolan doesn't cater to purist expectation. These are characters open to interpretation & furthermore, innovation.

Gotham isn't a city. Gotham is the beating heart of empires, societies, & what enforces our humanity.

Nicely put. t:

 

[BryterAtlas]

Ya, well

 

[Lungrocket]

It's basically what I wanted to articulate, but didn't get across the way I wanted. Not in such depth.

 

[Lungrocket]

I just don't think Deacon Blackfire is as unlikely a choice as some seem to think.

 

[BryterAtlas]

It's basically what I wanted to articulate, but didn't get across the way I wanted. Not in such depth.

Yeah, it's just a little unnerving how, after having given the world 2 of the most professional, and well crafted comic based films ever released, Nolan is still expected to pull fanservice. This is the guy who did Memento AND Inception.

We should just be grateful comic books aren't given video game treatment as far a films go; by jamming it all up Uwe Boll's ****ter. Number three is bound to be a magnificent film, with or without a big name villain.

 

[Lungrocket]

Yeah, it's just a little unnerving how, after having given the world 2 of the most professional, and well crafted comic based films ever released, Nolan is still expected to pull fanservice.

Both Ra's and Joker where deep characters. Both of them, though villainous, offered moral quandries. Not matter how heinous their acts, there was still truth in what they said. I'd expect no less from the next villain Nolan uses.

Thats why I feel Blackfire is a perfect candidate. He's not a villain with a gimmick. But he offers so much more when it comes to depth.

What better way to end his trilogy than on the theme of faith. There are no bigger stories than the ones that deal with spirituality. I mean, what's the most famous book on the planet?

And before everyone goes off on me about me pushing religion, its not true, as I am an agnostic. t: But i do think it makes for some terrific cinematic and epic storytelling. The Indiana Jones Trilogy are some of my favorite films. (not counting Crystal Skull)

 

[Lungrocket]

Batman 3: Deacon Blackfire Might Be The Main Villain

Published on 11 November 2010. | Written by E Nelson</SPAN>


The success of the Batman franchise is mainly attributed to the fact that the main character had a unique version that was nothing like the previous Batman movies that came before it. Batman Begins, which happened to be the first adaptation made by film maker Christopher Nolan in the year 2005, was met with positive reactions and garnering positive reviews from movie review references like Rotten Tomatoes. It is a widely accepted idea that the main reason behind this success is the slow transformation of the main character Bruce Wayne (played by Christian Bale), giving a comprehensive view of the character development that led to the existence of the hero identity. The villain of the film, Ras al Ghul (played by Liam Neeson), was an important element of the process of creating the main character himself. But the sequel had accomplished the same level of success, if not exceeded it.


Dark Knight, the second Batman film of Christopher Nolan released three years after, attributed its success moreover to the uniqueness of the villain that eclipsed the protagonist. In this film, Joker (played by Heath Ledger) became the center of attention, whose portrayal proved far more menacing than the previous Batman films. It was because of Joker that the Dark Knight had become a colossus in film industry that year.


The upcoming release of Christopher Nolan’s third Batman movie adaptation, Dark Knight Rises, is now considered a much awaited film though its estimated schedule for release would come around July 20 2012. Christopher Nolan confirmed that the villain would not be The Riddler.

The question remains as to who could possibly level, or even surpass the menace of arch enemies Ras al Ghul and Joker.

But there is a speculation that Deacon Blackfire, the villain of the four-issue comic series titled Batman: The Cult, might be the one. Deacon Blackfire, the charismatic 100-year old leader of an army consisting of Gotham City’s homeless dregs, ought to be a plausible catalyst for another unprecedented chaos that will call the attention of our Dark Knight and put him to another epic battle. If the third sequel of the Batman franchise ought to surpass Batman Begins and Dark Knight, Deacon Blackfire could be a suitable choice as a main villain. However, everything will have to wait until the ‘dark knight rises’ on movie trailers this 2012.

http://knowelty.com/batman-3-deacon-blackfire-might-be-the-main-villain/874835/

 

[Lungrocket]

This post was well said over on IMDB...

Deacon Blackfire was a con-man and cult leader. He craves power and destruction, and orchestrates his movements toward these goals. Blackfire forms an army in the sewers beneath Gotham City, largely composed of the homeless and poor. Blackfire uses this army to begin a violent war on crime, which escalates into him taking over the entire city.

Blackfire is a psychological villian, and he broke Batman mentally. The cult was ranked 6th out of 25 batman stories, and he took over the entire city like Ras and Joker tried to do. I think Blackfire has the highest chance of showing up in TDKR, Even more than Black Mask or Catwoman. Ras had a city wide threat and so did Joker, Would BM, Catwoman, Bane or Deadshot do that? unlikely. He might not be well known, but Nolan has ruled out all the major ones, and he fits in Nolans world since he doesnt have to have a backstory.

How do you follow up the Joker and Twoface? by turning the very people that batman set out to protect into his enemies. With cops and the poor dying all around the city, Gordon turns to Batman for help, and in turn redeems himself.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/board/flat/173367675?p=1

 

[BobJM]

"there is speculation" being the key phrase. By you continuing your argument for Blackfire in TDKR, that is considered speculation. For all we know, the source is getting this speculation from these boards

 

[Lungrocket]

"there is speculation" being the key phrase. By you continuing your argument for Blackfire in TDKR, that is considered speculation.

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. I wasn't claiming otherwise.

For all we know, the source is getting this speculation from these boards

Very well could be. I was just showing that others people are discussing Blackfire as a likely candidate too.

 

[Lungrocket]

Someone posted this page in the Tom Hardy casting thread. Figured I'd repost it here as he pointed out what Bruce says in the 6th panel down.

 

[ALP]

Deacon Blackfire was a con-man and cult leader. He craves power and destruction, and orchestrates his movements toward these goals. Blackfire forms an army in the sewers beneath Gotham City, largely composed of the homeless and poor.

Replace "homeless and poor" with "rocket powered penguins" and you pretty much have the Penguin from BR.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Replace "homeless and poor" with "rocket powered penguins"

Wasn't this Mayor Giuliani's plan to clean up New York?

 

[The Joker]

Replace "homeless and poor" with "rocket powered penguins" and you pretty much have the Penguin from BR.

HA, nice observation.