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I hope it is called Deadpool 2: The Snyder Cut
I could almost see them actually doing that.
I hope it is called Deadpool 2: The Snyder Cut
I hope it is called Deadpool 2: The Snyder Cut
Screenwriters Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick, who co-wrote the script alongside Ryan Reynolds, admit that they could have been more cognizant about those story decisions. When asked whether they worried about being criticized for fridging Cables family and Vanessa, Reese tells Vulture, I would say no, we didnt even think about it. And that was maybe our mistake, not to think about it. But it didnt really even occur to us. Indeed, they werent aware of this genre of criticism. We didnt know what fridging was, Reese says.
It didnt have to be this way. There was a road not traveled, one with less violence toward women. In the very first drafts of the script, Vanessa didnt die, Reese continues. She ended up breaking up with Deadpool, and he was trying to earn her back. Then I think at some point somebody just said, Yknow, Deadpool kind of works best when hes had everything taken away from him, when he suffers. So the thought was maybe we can really, really engender great suffering for him by having his line of work be the thing that costs Vanessa her life.
They felt comfortable with these plot points in no small part because they technically get reversed by the end of the final reel. First, Cable succeeds in averting his dark future and learns that his wife and daughters lives have been saved, though he has to stay in the present because his time-travel device doesnt have any juice left in it. In a mid-credits scene, the device is powered up again and DP ventures through the time stream to right various wrongs, including preventing Vanessas death.
We always had in our back pocket that we could always bring [Vanessa] back if necessary, says Reese. So, we ran with that. And maybe thats a sexist thing. I dont know. And maybe some women will have an issue with that. I dont know. I dont think that thatll be a large concern, but it didnt even really occur to us.
Wernick hopes viewers will understand why they made the call that they did. I would say, in our defense, the only thing that really is important, the only thing that Deadpool cares about, is Vanessa, he says. So if youre doing a movie where you are trying to get Deadpool at his lowest, to take away everything from Deadpool at the very beginning, the only thing to really take away from him is Vanessa.
He doesnt see it as a gendered choice. I know it wasnt consciously sexist, Wernick adds. It may appear that way as the film progresses and Cable loses his family as well, but again, the desire was to give a motivation to both Cable and to Deadpool, and have it be a parallel motivation that they both lost their family, and theyre both trying to kind of find their way in the world without them.
Both men take comfort in the fact that they think the movie is, on balance, good to its women. I also think we definitely paid attention to trying to fill the movie with a diverse group of strong female characters, interesting, different female characters, says Reese. Whether its Domino, or Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Vanessa, herself, obviously, is certainly that. So weve definitely made a point of not having this just be a testosterone-fueled thing.
I hope it is called Deadpool 2: The Snyder Cut
So whats people view on the backlash that film is sexist for
killing the girlf friend and its portrayals of women in general
I think it is a valid criticism. I actually think the film handles it well, and certainly better than many in the genre that are also guilty of this (looking at you X-Men Origins: Wolverine, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and Daredevil), but it still executes a reductive and outdated trope. However, the fact that they [blackout]undo it in a very funny and cathartic way[/blackout] helps to a large degree.
I don't actually think how it depicts the other women is bad at all. Other than the fact that all super heroines are objectified in this genre, they are depicted as competent and having their own agendas and lifestyles. I know there is an argument that it is cliche to depict an Asian woman with dyed hair now, but NTW and Yukio, who aren't in it enough, are remarkably progressive given they are the first openly gay superheroes in cinema history, and Deadpool treats that as natural and not a big deal at all.
This is the first time I'm hearing about any "outrage" over Deadpool's girlfriend being murdered...the character is a contract killer. And I see nothing wrong with portraying an Indian man with an Indian accent.
If you wanna see some REAL sexist b.s. go check out Paul Feig's Ghostbusters reboot. All the men in there portrayed as jerks or idiots with their main supporting character portrayed as a dumb blonde that's sexually objectified by the main characters.
The writers discuss one of the most controversial aspects of the film. *SPOILERS*
Deadpool 2 Writers Defend Treatment of Female Characters:
Wow. That's the best they can come up with? You look at a film like Wonder Woman, and Steve Trevor's death serves both *his* character and the films themes. His sacrifice progresses him as well as Diana. He also died in the last like 15 minutes of the film, he was a co-lead and a fully realized character all the way up to that point and his death wasn't the only drive for Diana in the film. It was also anything but throwaway, it was the third act logical and emotional culmination for both character's as well as the message of the film. Hell, hes the most developed romantic partner in a comic book movie ever (no offense to Kidders Lois Lane, R.I.P.). We feel for his death because we got to know him and with Diana and their chemistry was flawless. His death showed her what sacrifice meant, which what Pa Kents death in MoS tried to be but failed hard.
You can use the whole "reversing time" excuse, which certainly felt like a reshoot afterthought, but you can't change that, in the majority of the film, his arc begins because of his girlfriend's death. They resorted to a very misogynistic trope and it's played straight, without putting any thought into going other ways. That's why people are mad. And trying to save face by saying how "gender diverse" your film is shows how they truly care about women dynamics in films. I liked the film very much but this was bad writing and I can't see anyone defending this.
So a movie that introduces the first ever LGTBQ pairing in a superhero film, and does so in a positive not stereotypical way, features a women of color in a prominent role now has to be considered sexist.
Way to go everyone. Hope you're all happy.
So a movie that introduces the first ever LGTBQ pairing in a superhero film, and does so in a positive not stereotypical way, features a women of color in a prominent role now has to be considered sexist.
Way to go everyone. Hope you're all happy.
To the perpetually outraged there is no such thing as good enough.
So a movie that introduces the first ever LGTBQ pairing in a superhero film, and does so in a positive not stereotypical way, features a women of color in a prominent role now has to be considered sexist.
Way to go everyone. Hope you're all happy.
So what if tropes are used? If it works, it works.