Deadpool Deadpool Spin-off Confirmed - Part 2

[Loki882]

It doesn't need to have a huge budget. Aside from maybe the mo-cap/cgi on Deadpool himself, there's nothing about this that would necessitate it having a huge budget. $50-60 million is the figure that I've heard thrown about, and that sounds reasonable to me.

 

[BatsDC]

Well, this is very exciting

 

[def28]

hey! I wasnt expecting this like.... ever! the funny thing is Ive never been a fan of the character, but the test footage was awesome and now Im more excited about this than XM:A to be honest, well and W3. now give me Deadpool!

Ya, been waiting for this flick forever. More so then any other comic film. Gonna be friggen great to finally see this happen with Reynolds and Miller still attached, and if it's anything like the script it's gonna kick audiences asses all over the place! Good times, can't wait for the new Deadpool boards.

Also shows Fox is now willing to explore other characters, which they have needed to do. Big leap for the studio and hopefully if they do follow through with the R this will also be a step in the right direction for some more hardcore comic flicks in the future.

 

[Orba]

I've pretty much expecting something to happen with these film rights for a while and it will be interesting to see if this is tied into the Fox X-Men universe or completely standalone from a purely film rights perspective. Fox didn't get him as part of the X-Men film rights (New Line had the film rights until at least 2003) so I've always wondered what sort of deal happened that allowed him to appear in XMO:Wolverine.

If they can I would expect Fox to have something to tie this film to the rest of the Fox films simply to help increase its audience. If the film has no attachments to the other Fox films it would strongly indicate that whatever deal allowed the character to appear on XMO:W was a one off arrangement.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Ya, been waiting for this flick forever. More so then any other comic film. Gonna be friggen great to finally see this happen with Reynolds and Miller still attached, and if it's anything like the script it's gonna kick audiences asses all over the place! Good times, can't wait for the new Deadpool boards.

Also shows Fox is now willing to explore other characters, which they have needed to do. Big leap for the studio and hopefully if they do follow through with the R this will also be a step in the right direction for some more hardcore comic flicks in the future.

if an R Rated Deadpool is successful, maybe it'll convince Fox to give us that R rated Wolverine film we've all been asking for

 

[Micromind]

Somehow, I don't think that this will be R.

As "R" rated comic book movies rarely recover costs.

 

[Rorschach2012]

there is little point to a pg 13 Deadpool. the reason this is getting made is because of the warm reception the r rated test footage received. to deviate from the perfect test footage would be idiotic

 

[Spiderdevil]

It doesn't need to have a huge budget. Aside from maybe the mo-cap/cgi on Deadpool himself, there's nothing about this that would necessitate it having a huge budget. $50-60 million is the figure that I've heard thrown about, and that sounds reasonable to me.

Wow that's low,Simple comedies have a budget like that

I think something like 100-120M would be better

 

[Spiderdevil]

I've pretty much expecting something to happen with these film rights for a while and it will be interesting to see if this is tied into the Fox X-Men universe or completely standalone from a purely film rights perspective. Fox didn't get him as part of the X-Men film rights (New Line had the film rights until at least 2003) so I've always wondered what sort of deal happened that allowed him to appear in XMO:Wolverine.

If they can I would expect Fox to have something to tie this film to the rest of the Fox films simply to help increase its audience. If the film has no attachments to the other Fox films it would strongly indicate that whatever deal allowed the character to appear on XMO:W was a one off arrangement.

I wasn't aware of this
But I am pretty sure its upto Fox to tie him with the X-franchise of not.They own the rights and they can do that

 

[Spiderdevil]

Getting the eyes and expressiveness right with live action will be hard. Part of the charm of the test footage was the expressive face moving with the mask

They can have a motion mask ala Red Skull in TFA.
Just putting it out there

 

[Spiderdevil]

Not in the way people want. Marvel Studios, under the Disney banner, would never make a Deadpool film resembling the recently released test footage--or what people like about that test footage. A television show on the outskirts of cable? Maybe. But a film? No. Marvel Studios has plenty of adult oriented superheroes in its stable, and has more than proven its ability to successfully market unknown characters, and hasn't moved on them in bigscreen capacity. Why? Because they make more money producing family friendly films. But, yes, if a Deadpool movie with the grit of a Saturday morning cartoon is what you want for the character, then maybe Marvel Studios would have already cashed in.

This I agree to
They have so much potential with Daredevil,Hulk,Punisher and the likes.
Out of those Daredevil deserves his own movie but has been relegated to Netflix

 

[Orba]

I wasn't aware of this
But I am pretty sure its upto Fox to tie him with the X-franchise of not.They own the rights and they can do that

Actually it doesn't as they don't own the rights, what Fox have is essentially a longterm lease on the rights, and as long as they uphold the terms of the lease they will hold onto the rights indefinitely. Fox can't do anything with the rights, only what is allowed by the terms of the rights contract. Why this matters is that while Deadpool and the X-Men have links in the comics, if the contracts don't recognise those links and allow crossovers (and when most of these contracts were made crossovers weren't something that was thought of) then any crossovers between Deadpool and the X-Men would would be outside the terms of the contracts and require the approval of Marvel. If those sorts of clauses didn't exist then Fox could put the X-Men in Alien or Predator films and things like that. You have to remember that different film rights have different terms and give the rights owner different percentages of the profits. Once you start mixing film rights you have questions of which contract counts on things like percentage of the profits, and if there are reversion clauses (like the the Marvel rights) do the films count towards keeping the rights active.

Thats is why I'm interested to see what happens as it will give more information on what sort of arrangement allowed Deadpool to appear in XMO:W.

There seems to be three things that could have happened, Deadpool got absorbed into the X-Men rights, the appearance was a onetime arrangement, or a longterm deal was made to allow them to crossover. I would rule out the first as I don't see Marvel wanting to give more to the X-Men film rights, it has always been known that Marvel didn't know what they were doing when the X-Men rights deal was done and allowed themselves to be screwed. So you would think that if Fox tried to add more characters to the X-Men rights Marvel wouldn't allow it without some sort of renegotiation on the terms, and I can't see Fox being willing to do that for Deadpool.

So that leaves us with the XMO:W appearance being some sort of crossover deal, the question is if it was a one time deal or something more substantial. If it was a onetime deal then I think we can be pretty sure that the Deadpool will have no X-Men links as the relationship between Marvel and Fox is very poor these days.

 

[def28]

Out of those Daredevil deserves his own movie but has been relegated to Netflix

Relegated? Yeah Poor Daredevil, getting all that time devoted to him with talented actors on a high quality subscription service, then crossing over with Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jesscia Jones.

Pretty sure it's gonna be all kinds of rad. Vincent d'onofrio is playing the Kingpin dude. ****s gonna go down.

if an R Rated Deadpool is successful, maybe it'll convince Fox to give us that R rated Wolverine film we've all been asking for

While that would be awesome, Wolverine has such a younger fan base it's gonna take alot of Deadpool money to convince them on that. But it definitely would be cool.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Rob Liefeld confirmed that the Deadpool rights are currently under the X-Men IP. As long as Fox has X-Men, they have Deadpool. That's how Wade Wilson was able to appear in X-Men Origins and the current Daedpool script features Colossus (an X-Men character) in a prominent supporting role. The right's are a non-issue.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Oh, here's where the Deadpool chat is at! I was wondering why no-one was talking about it

So, when do you think this will be set in the "timeline"? Or will it be standalone?

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope everything work out well for this film!

YAY! 2 X-Men films in 2016!

 

[Spiderdevil]

Actually it doesn't as they don't own the rights, what Fox have is essentially a longterm lease on the rights, and as long as they uphold the terms of the lease they will hold onto the rights indefinitely. Fox can't do anything with the rights, only what is allowed by the terms of the rights contract. Why this matters is that while Deadpool and the X-Men have links in the comics, if the contracts don't recognise those links and allow crossovers (and when most of these contracts were made crossovers weren't something that was thought of) then any crossovers between Deadpool and the X-Men would would be outside the terms of the contracts and require the approval of Marvel. If those sorts of clauses didn't exist then Fox could put the X-Men in Alien or Predator films and things like that. You have to remember that different film rights have different terms and give the rights owner different percentages of the profits. Once you start mixing film rights you have questions of which contract counts on things like percentage of the profits, and if there are reversion clauses (like the the Marvel rights) do the films count towards keeping the rights active.

Thats is why I'm interested to see what happens as it will give more information on what sort of arrangement allowed Deadpool to appear in XMO:W.

There seems to be three things that could have happened, Deadpool got absorbed into the X-Men rights, the appearance was a onetime arrangement, or a longterm deal was made to allow them to crossover. I would rule out the first as I don't see Marvel wanting to give more to the X-Men film rights, it has always been known that Marvel didn't know what they were doing when the X-Men rights deal was done and allowed themselves to be screwed. So you would think that if Fox tried to add more characters to the X-Men rights Marvel wouldn't allow it without some sort of renegotiation on the terms, and I can't see Fox being willing to do that for Deadpool.

So that leaves us with the XMO:W appearance being some sort of crossover deal, the question is if it was a one time deal or something more substantial. If it was a onetime deal then I think we can be pretty sure that the Deadpool will have no X-Men links as the relationship between Marvel and Fox is very poor these days.

Well you maybe right but shouldn't Fox have complete rights to Deadpool since they have the rights to X-men and everything X-related?
Isn't that the way Marvel Studios muscled the rights of Quick Silver and Scarlet Witch?
Plus since he has already appeared in Origins,and the after credits scene meant that Fox initially had plans for a Deadpool linked to that movie,I doubt it was a one-off arrangement(Or else they wouldn't have bothered with the after credits scene since technically it would have made no difference)

Also Fox felt in no hurry into making this till they saw the positive reception the test footage got,which makes me think that they weren't bothered about the rights returning back meaning the rights were safe till they kept making X-men movies

But I agree to you saying that Fox and MS don't have a good relationship and Feige and co will definitely try to make life difficult for Fox if they have the power to do so as per the contract

 

[Spiderdevil]

Relegated? Yeah Poor Daredevil, getting all that time devoted to him with talented actors on a high quality subscription service, then crossing over with Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jesscia Jones.

Pretty sure it's gonna be all kinds of rad. Vincent d'onofrio is playing the Kingpin dude. ****s gonna go down.

Netflix isn't even available in a lot of countries so the exposure he will get will be a lot lesser than the average movie Marvel makes

Which is why I use the term 'Relegated'

 

[psylockolussus]

Hopefully Marvel will air those shows in TV for those countries who don't have Netflix.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Oh, here's where the Deadpool chat is at! I was wondering why no-one was talking about it

So, when do you think this will be set in the "timeline"? Or will it be standalone?

The fact they have placed it early in 2016 and this information has only just came out makes it feel like either fox is either setting something up putting it before apocalypse or they just dumped it in February 2016 because this is gonna be a smaller movie that they have lower expectations for

It wouldn't surprise me with them putting it in February says it is its own thing and not connected in a big way to the x-men universe, but we will see

 

[Mr.M]

Origins is officially swiped from continuity. Stryker could still experiment on mutants on the island, but maybe Deadpool will just remain as he was in the beginning of Origins, just without the added powers. He still needs the healing factor, that is a must.

 

[Orba]

Well you maybe right but shouldn't Fox have complete rights to Deadpool since they have the rights to X-men and everything X-related?
Isn't that the way Marvel Studios muscled the rights of Quick Silver and Scarlet Witch?
Plus since he has already appeared in Origins,and the after credits scene meant that Fox initially had plans for a Deadpool linked to that movie,I doubt it was a one-off arrangement(Or else they wouldn't have bothered with the after credits scene since technically it would have made no difference)

Also Fox felt in no hurry into making this till they saw the positive reception the test footage got,which makes me think that they weren't bothered about the rights returning back meaning the rights were safe till they kept making X-men movies

But I agree to you saying that Fox and MS don't have a good relationship and Feige and co will definitely try to make life difficult for Fox if they have the power to do so as per the contract

Why he wasn't a part of X-Men from the start I don't know, perhaps it was because the film rights were set up during the 90s when Deadppool was pretty popular. Ultimately its down to how the film rights were set up by Marvel when the deals were being made. Its not that unusual with the rights, Namor and the Inhumans are both under their own film rights while Silver Surfer is part of Fantastic Four.

As for the timing, as I mentioned earlier I've actually been waiting for something like this to happen for a few months. As far as we have been able to determine Marvel film rights have a seven year reversion clause, if the rights are not use within seven years they revert back to Marvel. This is not something Fox has any interest in happening (at least not without getting something in return). So if Deadpool's appearance in XMO:Wolverine was enough to keep the rights alive then they had seven years from then to get a Deadpool film in production. With XMO:W coming out in 2009 it would mean that a Deadpool film would have to get into production by 2016. If they were going to get a film into production by then I expected Fox to announce a Deadpool film by next summer at the very latest. And now we have one.

I still think that the Deadpool rights are not part of the X-Men rights, and the timing on this one still fits with that idea. However I could be wrong but the Marvel films rights are what I spend most of my time talking about here so it would be more to talk about (for example the discussion would be how Fox convinced Marvel to let the Deadpool rights be absorbed in the X-Men rights).

 

[Spiderdevil]

Why he wasn't a part of X-Men from the start I don't know, perhaps it was because the film rights were set up during the 90s when Deadppool was pretty popular. Ultimately its down to how the film rights were set up by Marvel when the deals were being made. Its not that unusual with the rights, Namor and the Inhumans are both under their own film rights while Silver Surfer is part of Fantastic Four.

Probably because he isn't much of a team player and wouldn't have fit well into the X-men movies(He isn't won't fit into Apocalypse or its sequels but we will wait and see).That must be the reason he wasn't used despite having his rights
Namor and Inhumans are unusual but the only characters popular enough to get sorted individually at that time were Spider-man,Hulk,Thor and maybe a couple more
I believe Fox always had the rights along with X-men,because it wouldn't have made sense to buy his rights separately and then be too nervous to make his movie for 10 years

As for the timing, as I mentioned earlier I've actually been waiting for something like this to happen for a few months. As far as we have been able to determine Marvel film rights have a seven year reversion clause, if the rights are not use within seven years they revert back to Marvel. This is not something Fox has any interest in happening (at least not without getting something in return). So if Deadpool's appearance in XMO:Wolverine was enough to keep the rights alive then they had seven years from then to get a Deadpool film in production. With XMO:W coming out in 2009 it would mean that a Deadpool film would have to get into production by 2016. If they were going to get a film into production by then I expected Fox to announce a Deadpool film by next summer at the very latest. And now we have one.

I still think that the Deadpool rights are not part of the X-Men rights, and the timing on this one still fits with that idea. However I could be wrong but the Marvel films rights are what I spend most of my time talking about here so it would be more to talk about (for example the discussion would be how Fox convinced Marvel to let the Deadpool rights be absorbed in the X-Men rights).

I don't think Origins would have been enough to keep the rights,I think you have to make an separate movie to qualify

Irrespective of him being a part of X-men or separate,I think Fox have the complete rights and its not a loan thing
The only character who was ever loaned was Kingpin(By Sony to Fox for Daredevil)

 

[HIA]

Ya, been waiting for this flick forever. More so then any other comic film. Gonna be friggen great to finally see this happen with Reynolds and Miller still attached, and if it's anything like the script it's gonna kick audiences asses all over the place! Good times, can't wait for the new Deadpool boards.

Also shows Fox is now willing to explore other characters, which they have needed to do. Big leap for the studio and hopefully if they do follow through with the R this will also be a step in the right direction for some more hardcore comic flicks in the future.

yeah, its such a great feeling to see Fox finally exploring new characters. Now I have the confidence that they will do X-Force right after Deadpool. Will be f**** awesome to see Cable and his team and more than likely a team-up with Deadpool, with or against him. The potential for crossovers at Fox right now is crazy

 

[Loki882]

Wow that's low,Simple comedies have a budget like that

I think something like 100-120M would be better

There's no way in Hell that they're going to spend that much on this movie. That's the budget that the last Wolverine movie got, and he's THE most recognizable/popular X-Men character. Deadpool by contrast, is more of a niche character (at least to the GA), and it took a positive reception to the test footage to get Fox to greenlight the movie at all.