Deadpool Deadpool Spin-off Confirmed - Part 2

[marvelrobbins]

Deadpool was In origins.Of course they can put deadpool In X-Men films.

Bryan Singer mentioned deadpool as character he would like to use In future.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Interesting, I wonder how Fox managed to get the Deadpool franchise connected into the X-Men one, I would have thought that Marvel would not have been willing to allow that without trying to renegotiate the bad deal they made over the X-Men franchise.

(Although for a while Fox claimed that the Fantastic Four film was going to be connected to the X-Men film universe too, until they realised the contracts didn't give them the right).

He's probably part of the X-Franchise as opposed to a separate franchise

 

[Zarex]

Deadpool was In origins.Of course they can put deadpool In X-Men films.

Bryan Singer mentioned deadpool as character he would like to use In future.

I think so too, as I stated in my post. But the FOX/Marvel relationship has deteriorated to a considerable degree since that time, and Disney is in the picture now as well. I'm interested in clarification regarding the following:

1)Are the X:Men and Deadpool cinematic rights under the same or separate licensing agreements?
2)Did FOX need Marvel's approval on Deadpool's appearance in Origins?
3) Does FOX need Disney's approval regarding future crossovers?
4) Does Deadpool's appearance in Origins mean that future crossovers are automatically allowed?
5) Will Disney/ Marvel pull Deadpool merchandise as we get closer to the release date?

It should be interesting.

 

[def28]

He's under the same contract as X- Men. Deadpool's appearance in Origins means nothing. The Deadpool script specifically cut out Weapon X to stay away from it. Now that things are different from DOFP, they may add it back in. The only mention Origin gets is a 4th Wall break insult.

I doubt Marvel will pull Deadpool Merch, but it will be interesting if they stop the amount of how much gets released. So far nothing has been pulled and it's still rolling out. They only have a year, so they would have to act fast. Just don't think it's worth the effort, they will lose quite a bit of money.

 

[Orba]

He's probably part of the X-Franchise as opposed to a separate franchise

Except Fox did not get him as a part of the X-Men franchise, back in about 2003 the rights to the Deadpool franchise were with New Line who were trying to get a film with him made. We know that by 2009 Fox had gotten hold of the rights since he appeared in XMO:W, the big question is what sort of deal was made to allow him to appear in XMO:W.

I can't see Marvel simply allowing the Deadpool franchise to be absorbed into the X-Men franchise as its well known that Marvel let themselves be screwed when they made their deal with Fox on the X-Men rights. Therefore you would think that Marvel would have tried to get some sort of renegotiation of the deal if Fox wanted to started adding characters to the X-Men rights. Of course maybe something did happen during XMO:W that absorbed Deadpool into the X-Men rights, maybe Fox screwed Marvel again which is why the relationship between Fox and Marvel has been so poor since XMO:W.

However I think the most likely answer is that some sort of deal was made where Deadpool is still a separate franchise but that Fox are allowed to cross over the two franchises.

But ultimately we will just have to see what happens with the final film, for a while Fox and Mark Millar were going on about the Fantastic Four and X-Men franchises being part of a shared universe so sometimes FOx make claims about things before checking if they are allowed to do them.

 

[def28]

Fox gave New line the rights back then, they just could not connect it to the X-Men verse. There was some weird deal for a bit. But he's still under the X contract.

When Goyer got sidetracked with other projects, Fox themselves decided they were interested in making the flick. Pretty crazy that Reynolds has been attached for over 10 years now.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Except Fox did not get him as a part of the X-Men franchise, back in about 2003 the rights to the Deadpool franchise were with New Line who were trying to get a film with him made. We know that by 2009 Fox had gotten hold of the rights since he appeared in XMO:W, the big question is what sort of deal was made to allow him to appear in XMO:W.

I can't see Marvel simply allowing the Deadpool franchise to be absorbed into the X-Men franchise as its well known that Marvel let themselves be screwed when they made their deal with Fox on the X-Men rights. Therefore you would think that Marvel would have tried to get some sort of renegotiation of the deal if Fox wanted to started adding characters to the X-Men rights. Of course maybe something did happen during XMO:W that absorbed Deadpool into the X-Men rights, maybe Fox screwed Marvel again which is why the relationship between Fox and Marvel has been so poor since XMO:W.

However I think the most likely answer is that some sort of deal was made where Deadpool is still a separate franchise but that Fox are allowed to cross over the two franchises.

But ultimately we will just have to see what happens with the final film, for a while Fox and Mark Millar were going on about the Fantastic Four and X-Men franchises being part of a shared universe so sometimes FOx make claims about things before checking if they are allowed to do them.

This reads quite one-sided.

If Marvel weren't happy with the contracts that were presented they had complete freedom to sell X-Men to another studio, they were not forced to sign.
Fox presented them with terms in a contract and Marvel accepted. Without Fox and Sony and others buying rights Marvel would've gone under and not only been able to continue with Comics but not be able to make the MCU. The latter also not being likely without Fox and Sony rejuvenating the CBM genre and starting the Marvel movie trend

 

[def28]

Marvel was desperate at that time and going bankrupt. Don't think there's any denying that. Nobody knew the values of the properties on film back then either, though it wasn't a great deal or anything.

Would have been nice for them to have a little bit more control or income from Fox flicks. Maybe the studios would play better that way.

 

[Verbal21]

When Goyer got sidetracked with other projects, Fox themselves decided they were interested in making the flick. Pretty crazy that Reynolds has been attached for over 10 years now.

It's gonna sound bad, but it's not like he's had "major" success with much in that time.

 

[Orba]

This reads quite one-sided.

If Marvel weren't happy with the contracts that were presented they had complete freedom to sell X-Men to another studio, they were not forced to sign.
Fox presented them with terms in a contract and Marvel accepted. Without Fox and Sony and others buying rights Marvel would've gone under and not only been able to continue with Comics but not be able to make the MCU. The latter also not being likely without Fox and Sony rejuvenating the CBM genre and starting the Marvel movie trend

When Avi Arad was making the X-Men deal with Fox he had no idea what he was doing, as a result Fox were able to make a deal that gave Marvel a very small cut of the gross. In later deals Marvel knew more about the film industry and knew enough that they were able to negotiate a better deal for themselves. Marvel could have gone to another studio but they didn't know enough about what they were doing to know they were making a bad deal.

 

[Dasher10]

Apparently it's tied to the X-Men verse. I guess this confirms that it's set in the late 70s. We better see a Saturday Night Fever disco homage.

 

[Zarex]

Fox gave New line the rights back then, they just could not connect it to the X-Men verse. There was some weird deal for a bit. But he's still under the X contract.

So FOX obtained the cinematic rights to Deadpool from Marvel as part of the 1993 agreement and then, in effect, sub-let the rights over to New Line Cinema?

I've read rumors that both Deadpool and Cable were on distinct contracts separate from the X:Men character family, but no one at FOX or Marvel has clarified the situation.

 

[Orba]

Yeah I've read a few times over the years that Deadpool and Cable had their own film rights, but I've never read that Fox was sub-letting them out till now. I'm surprised that the film rights agreement would allow Fox to breakup the characters and sub-let them.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

They were forced to take whatever deal was on offer or go bankrupt. Don't believe any tripe about "oh but they could have shopped around"

 

[def28]

So FOX obtained the cinematic rights to Deadpool from Marvel as part of the 1993 agreement and then, in effect, sub-let the rights over to New Line Cinema?

I've read rumors that both Deadpool and Cable were on distinct contracts separate from the X:Men character family, but no one at FOX or Marvel has clarified the situation.

I heard the same, and hunted around for info on it not long ago. Can't find the link but I do remember reading that Fox for some reason was allowing New Line to make Deadpool at the time. Deadpols popularity back then was not as strong so Fox probably just was not interested. Watching X-Men Origins pretty much confirms they didn't know what to do. Believe the backlash of XMOW and hype for the character during that time pretty much convinced them theres more interest then they thought and started to move ahead with a solo project.

Also remember reading on hitfix a year ago that they heard rumors Deadpool could be lost if they don't make it.
http://www.hitfix.com/news/3-on-3-is-x-force-a-way-to-bring-deadpool-back-to-the-big-screen

Word is the studio could lose the rights to the popular Marvel character in a few years if they don't use him .

But again, there's not much info and just speculation. Deadpool is getting released pretty close to a 7 year deadline that I think applies to their other contracts right? Maybe it's 9 years, I forgot. So who knows. I'm pretty sure he is under the same X contract, but like you said theres never been any strong clarification and it's difficult to find info.

 

[Zarex]

But again, there's not much info and just speculation. Deadpool is getting released pretty close to a 7 year deadline that I think applies to their other contracts right? Maybe it's 9 years, I forgot. So who knows. I'm pretty sure he is under the same X contract, but like you said theres never been any strong clarification and it's difficult to find info.

Though terms of the agreement was never disclosed, I believe the FOX licensing agreements extended to an approximate 7 year reversion period as part of the Mutant X settlement. Spidey appears to be on a five year term with Sony since ASM was rushed into production after SM4 fell apart.

 

[Orba]

I heard the same, and hunted around for info on it not long ago. Can't find the link but I do remember reading that Fox for some reason was allowing New Line to make Deadpool at the time. Deadpols popularity back then was not as strong so Fox probably just was not interested. Watching X-Men Origins pretty much confirms they didn't know what to do. Believe the backlash of XMOW and hype for the character during that time pretty much convinced them theres more interest then they thought and started to move ahead with a solo project.

Also remember reading on hitfix a year ago that they heard rumors Deadpool could be lost if they don't make it.
http://www.hitfix.com/news/3-on-3-is-x-force-a-way-to-bring-deadpool-back-to-the-big-screen
But again, there's not much info and just speculation. Deadpool is getting released pretty close to a 7 year deadline that I think applies to their other contracts right? Maybe it's 9 years, I forgot. So who knows. I'm pretty sure he is under the same X contract, but like you said theres never been any strong clarification and it's difficult to find info.

Hehe this is the stuff that keeps me coming back here, its all a big treasurehunt trying to figure out whats going on.

 

[Zant]

Deadpool and Cable can appear in the X men films, where they belong at any time. That much is clear now.

 

[Rike]

Deadpool is Part of Some Massive Future Plans for the X-Men Franchise

With X-Men: Days of Future Past set to soon arrive on Blu-ray and DVD shelves anywhere, I recently had the chance to interview Simon Kinberg about the future of the X-Men franchise, and he confirmed not only that the upcoming Deadpool movie takes place within the same continuity of the larger comic book universe, but also that it is setting up for something much bigger. I asked the filmmaker if there is a grand idea behind movies like Deadpool fitting in with the timeline of the long-established series, and Kinberg confirmed it, telling me, "They do all feed into one another in the sense of wanting to tell this sort of massive story that can take place over multiple movies."

Drawing further comparisons to the work being done at Marvel Studios with films like Captain America: The Winter Soldier and The Avengers, Kinberg said that the goal is to create a full experience watching one of the individual movies, but added that there is an "even fuller experience" to be found in seeing those projects get brought together. This thinking is having an effect on not only the actively-developing X-Men: Apocalypse (which Kinberg is writing), but also all of the other franchise features in the works. Said Kinberg, "We are aware as we are plotting out Apocalypse and the other X-Men movies – both potential sequels in the future and standalone movies – and trying to build them all together so that there is a singularity of vision. And obviously a timeline that makes sense as well, because these movies all, well not all, but many of them take place in different time periods, so that all those things will link up and make sense for an audience."

 

[marvelrobbins]

The big news here Is X films will be In different time peroids.So deadpool could be more in present and not In late 1970's/early 1980's although that could mean Deadpool won't
be In Apocalypse.It also opens up possibilty of another X-Men film with Original cast.And who knows when the new wolverine solo film will take place.

 

[def28]

Deadpool doesn't age and already takes place in past and present. Plus the past two X-Men related movies are all over the place on the timeline. They have always left their options open.

I would think the confirmation of integrating Deadpool into a larger scheme, and that they have plans for multiple X-Men films is a much bigger deal. Unless they announce another date for a separate X-Men related project in the mean time, I would think at the least we are gonna get an Apocalypse related stinger with Deadpool. Builds hype for both films, especially with them only being three months apart.

 

[def28]

And the rumors of Marvel killing Deadpool begin...
http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...ond-avengers-3-and-its-making-hollywood-crazy

There's a fairly pronounced antagonism between Fox and Marvel these days, and it's just going to get stranger as the publishing version of Marvel seems to be making some very strategic decisions about the characters that Fox owns. Deadpool's movie may have finally been announced, but it looks like Marvel's planning to kill Deadpool in the very near future. The rumors about the end of publication for "Fantastic Four" were denied for months, but now look to be true. And the status quo in the world of the "X-Men" is in ruins in a way that looks nothing like the movies currently being made. Whatever Marvel's future is, the Fox deal remains a thorn in their side, a sequester of some of their biggest characters that looks unlikely to ever change.

Deadpool has three books being released this year and he's in the big Crossover Axis. Like X-Men he is just too big a sale, not only with his solos but his variants. Just can't see it happening. This is the only thing I've heard on the matter prior.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvel-exec-teases-comic-book-734749

Killing off Deadpool just as his long-gestating movie was officially scheduled may appear to be counterintuitive, but there are a number of things to bear in mind with this tease. Firstly, there’s the fact that Gabriel doesn’t outright tease Deadpool’s death, per se; instead, he hints at the “death of a character… in issue 250 of a character with the word 'Dead' in his name.” That leaves wiggle room for a supporting character to die instead of Deadpool himself … Perhaps even his wife.

Which I think is more plausible.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Fox and Marvel may be at odds, but Fox has gotten along for the most part with Marvel's parent company, Disney as both Disney and Fox distributed Lincoln and it was announced today that both will distribute the upcoming Stephen Spielberg/Tom Hanks Cold War drama.

 

[def28]

I'm all for the two getting along.

I just don't buy alot of the rumors going on between the comics and Movie stuff right now. F4 will eventually be relaunched (again), the X-Men movies have never looked like the books much and Marvel aint gonna throw Deadpool out even if they did kill him for a bit. Just like with Wolverine, it's what they do to increase sales and usually works.

 

[def28]

Think Fox has completely stopped taken down the test footage. Starting to rack up the hits on youtube. Pretty much like a trailer for them.

Also, Harley Quinn and Deadpool were once again the two most cosplayed characters at NYCC.
http://digg.com/2014/comic-con-every-cosplayer

Those two characters pretty much own all cons now.