Dexter

[RetroNaz]

Even if she finds them, what does that tell her? That Dexter has some blood slides? Being as he is a blood spatter analyst, its not too hard to explain those away. The only reason Doakes was able to connect the trophies to murder is because he already suspected Dexter to be the Bay Harbor Butcher. To a layman, the slides won't mean much.

Okay, allow me to reiterate - his trophies and his killing tools.

I dunno about you, but if I found blood slides and a set of sharp knives and tools...I'd be panicked. Not to mention his unusual "working" hours he's away from home (which she hasn't really witnessed yet...but no doubt will in time). Besides, this is a TV show...not real life. A show needs tension to keep it interesting, hence my idea.

And if I was a babysitter, I'd be worried about the baby and report it.

See where I'm going with it?

 

[RetroNaz]

God it annoys me so bad when everyone keeps referring to Quinn as Doakes 2.0. They are completely different kinds of people yall! Doakes was an alpha-male meat head albeit stand up guy wanting to do what was right, Quinn isnt that type of guy AT ALL, hes allready shown himself to be somewhat dirty when it comes to ethics with the whole Antoine and stealing money from crime scenes. Plus Doakes was creeped out by Dexter from the very first episode, that was Doakes whole character, i mean Dex says it in the very first episode "Why in a building full of trained professionals, is Doakes the only one that is creeped out by me?" Not verbatim but you get the idea. This stuff with Quinn I find alot more intriguing and fun to watch cuz we have absolutely no idea how its all gonna play out and what the repercussions of Quinn finding out about ANY of Dex's extracurricular activities will be. With Doakes, as awesome as it was when it happened, it all kinda happened in a very predictable way and had been set up since the beginning of the show to happen. This is Quinns third season and hes just now starting to put the pieces together, Doakes did it in a season and a half basically. Ok rant now over

It's an affectionate term lol.

I think people (and myself) don't mean his actual character...but his arc. And only basic at that.

 

[Maximus One]

Yea I know but its such an over-simplification every time I see that term Im just like "NOOO!!!" Lol I cant help it, in my eyes Quinn is alot more interesting as a character than Doakes ever was

 

[RetroNaz]

True.

Although, I think I was so shocked at Doakes being killed because there were threads to his character that just never went anywhere.

His past that was hinted at. His affection for Deb (I loved when he took her to his parents for dinner).

 

[Ghostvirus]

Doakes was waaaay more interesting of a character. I am still a little pissed that they killed him.

I always picture Quinn as the *****ebag quarterback that I wouldn't be able to stand. He is far from a deep character as well. Doakes dark past & conflicting with his past was way more interesting than the cliched dirty cop crap.

If Quinn ends up on the table this season I will weep tears of happiness.

 

[Prison Mike]

Either Quinn becomes a murderer by the end of the season or somebody else kills him. Otherwise, I just don't see Dexter killing him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The way Quinn is treating Deb has made him a bit more interesting to me this season. He's nowhere near the jerk I expected him to be after they slept together. I think he may actually have genuine feelings for her.

 

[RetroNaz]

He's probably a little fragile at the moment too because his previous girlfriend blew her head off.

Hence the clingyness.

Whether they choose to acknowledge that as a reason for his behaviour with Deb is in the hands of the writers (or as Corp said, he might just genuinely like her).

 

[RetroNaz]

...which is annoying, because everyone except her own damn brother has had a go at Deb on this show.

There have been moments where I thought she'd actually kiss Dexter though

 

[Prison Mike]

...which is annoying, because everyone except her own damn brother has had a go at Deb on this show.

There have been moments where I thought she'd actually kiss Dexter though

they save that for when the cameras are turned off.

 

[RetroNaz]

they save that for when the cameras are turned off.

LOL yeah.

 

[Ghostvirus]

Was there a RL reason why Doakes was killed off? Because all this talk of Quinn & Deb made me think back to when they hinted at Doakes crunching on her.

So what was the reason for him leaving. There were a lot of things left up in the air for his character.

 

[RetroNaz]

Interview with Erik King (Doakes). Pretty much the creative team wrote themselves into a corner and had to take him out.

I'm back here with Erik King, and after that finale Doakes is dead. How did you first find out about that, or hear what would happen in the finale?

The producers were very, very decent about it. I would say around episode four they called me. A lot of actors have that terrible thing where you pick up the script in your mailbox, or on your desk, or in your office, and you say oh god my character's being killed. That's not what happened. They called me in well in advance, sat down with me, and just kind of said this is the trajectory that we're going in. This is sort of where the story has to go. You can't go three seasons of saying I'm watching you, and let Doakes truly be he who is, and not find something out. Of course I was saddened. I have to say it's not necessarily for the job, as I've been working in the business for quite a few years and I'm very pleased and grateful that I'll probably continue to work. I'm sure that will happen for me. But I'm really sad for the character, because I really like Sergeant Doakes. I really like crafting that character. I like watching this character evolve from this place where people would see me in the streets and say "Leave Dexter alone, what are you doing, leave Dexter alone," to sort of creating this more sympathetic guy who had more colors and more bottom to him. I was really saddened by the loss of the character, to be honest with you.


Definitely. I think a lot of fans were saddened, but it was one of those things that once we saw where this season was going, and once Doakes found out about Dexter's secret, his death almost became a necessity for the storyline. Having Doakes around, but knowing it, it's almost hard to continue telling the story and keeping Dexter safe.

I was so surprised, because people come up with their own anecdotes, whether it was the crew or people who have seen the show, and gone well, once he knows maybe they can join forces, or maybe they can do this, or maybe they can do that. I'm excited that people are so excited about the character, that's what's really most important to me. Physically, Doakes is gone, but we'll have to see what happens though.


How did the rest of the cast react when they found out this news?

I think it was really difficult. I kept it from the cast for awhile, and from the crew for awhile as well, because I knew I had the work to do. Since that was the case, I really needed to be in the moment and not carry everybody else's sadness with me. So for a couple of episodes, nobody knew. Then it was very difficult, especially on a couple of the characters. Lauren Velez, who I'm very, very close to as Laguerta, and David Zayas, and C.S. Lee, they were really impacted by it. I actually sat down with Michael C. Hall myself and told him. They told me before they told anyone else. It was sad man. We really are a family, and I will continue to watch the show because of those actors, and because of those characters and my investment in the show.


I definitely think that even though Doakes is going to be gone, going into season three Laguerta seems determined to prove that he wasn't the Bay Harbor Butcher. I think Doakes isn't going to be totally out of the series.

Exactly. We also know that everyone who dies on Dexter doesn't necessarily die, right?


I suppose that could be true.

Ask Harry [Dexter's father, played by James Remar], ask Rudy [the Ice Truck Killer, played by Christian Camargo].


You can definitely be coming back in flashback scenes or dream sequences.

We'll see what happens.


At the very least, the way you go out, in the giant explosion of this house, that's one of the better and more flashier ways to go out if your character is going to get killed off.

I agree, it was certainly a big finish. Inevitably, we also knew early on that Dexter could not kill Doakes because he's an innocent man. Certainly he could frame him, he could come up with something, some other strategy to get rid of him - amnesia, or whatever - but it was clear that he couldn't kill him. How do you avenge that? It really crosses a line for Dexter, it breaks Harry's code, and I think in some ways Dexter's code.


Exactly, which is one of the brilliant paradoxes of the show. Dexter can't actually kill innocent people, and he's not a bad guy inherently.

Even though he also thinks he's not a human guy. He's always exploring whether or not he has feelings. Watching him, we know, especially as a result of his banter with Doakes, that he's much more human than he even he thinks he is.


Now that your schedule is somewhat cleared up, do you have any plans for any movies or any TV work coming up?

Well, as you know we're on strike now, the writers are on strike. After doing the show, doing all the press for the show, and the Christmas holidays at this point, I'm really looking forward to going to the east coast and hanging out with my family. I have no doubt that I'll come back and get back to work as soon as the holidays are over, but right now nothing in the works. Although a great romantic comedy would be good, wouldn't it?


Yeah, definitely a change of pace.

Definitely.

 

[Prison Mike]

It's a shame they never really explored Laguerta's investigation of whether or not Doakes was the Bay Harbor Butcher.

 

[Ghostvirus]

Yeah the more I am looking the more. I am realising how poorly this show is written. I love C. Halls performance. Among others. But wow, they really have trouble tying things up, & not digging holes.

 

[Matt]

Okay, allow me to reiterate - his trophies and his killing tools.

I dunno about you, but if I found blood slides and a set of sharp knives and tools...I'd be panicked. Not to mention his unusual "working" hours he's away from home (which she hasn't really witnessed yet...but no doubt will in time). Besides, this is a TV show...not real life. A show needs tension to keep it interesting, hence my idea.

And if I was a babysitter, I'd be worried about the baby and report it.

See where I'm going with it?

I just don't think anything will come of it. Dexter will likely keep his tools in a place where she can't find them. The nanny is merely a story telling device to explain where Harrison is while Dexter and Deb are in other scenes, IMO.

 

[Matt]

The way Quinn is treating Deb has made him a bit more interesting to me this season. He's nowhere near the jerk I expected him to be after they slept together. I think he may actually have genuine feelings for her.

I think Quinn is going to be cool with it. I think Quinn will see the justice of what Dexter does and become his friend and confidant. Quinn gives me a Harry-vibe. Yeah, he does unethical things, but he's not really a bad guy. I think Quinn will become a friend to Dexter.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Holy crap just got caught up with Dexter! THAT ending! Can't wait to see where things go from here.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

When he got shot with the dart gun i thought that was funny as hell.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Quinn is going to be cool with it. I think Quinn will see the justice of what Dexter does and become his friend and confidant. Quinn gives me a Harry-vibe. Yeah, he does unethical things, but he's not really a bad guy. I think Quinn will become a friend to Dexter.

Hadn't thought of that. That would be a really interesting twist.

 

[Ghostvirus]

The problem with Quinn teaming with Dexter. I could see Quinn turn into Miguel. He wouldn't have the self control to not want to kill every single person that gets set free. Eventually Dexter would have to put him down IMO.

 

[RetroNaz]

Dexter and Quinn? I don't really see them forming a friendship. He wouldn't even allow Rita or his sister to know his secret. I doubt he's going to befriend someone that is literally looking to bring him down.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, that kind of misses Matt's point. I'm pretty sure he's saying that Quinn's investigating Dexter for Rita's death, but if/when he uncovers the fact that it was actually Trinity who killed her and Dex killed Trinity like some avenging angel, he could conceivably be cool with Dexter's superhero-serial-killer thing. Quinn's ethics are clearly a little skewed, so if he feels confident that Dex is only killing those who deserve it, I could see him buying into the idea that it's for the best. You know, catch the baddies that the system can't quite pin down.

 

[RetroNaz]

I guess the best part about Dexter is that anything can and will happen.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

I think Quinn is going to be cool with it. I think Quinn will see the justice of what Dexter does and become his friend and confidant. Quinn gives me a Harry-vibe. Yeah, he does unethical things, but he's not really a bad guy. I think Quinn will become a friend to Dexter.

I wouldn't mind that, I think Quinn is a really cool character on this show and I really don't want him to die, but what you said sounds kind of stretched lol, besides, Quinn never really liked Dexter to start with. As for the Harry thing, I don't think he will ever see things the way Harry did. Harry took Dexter and raised him and loved him like his own son and he found out about Dexter's issues, he decided he has to help him. But if Harry didn't knew Dexter at all, you think he wouldn't have arrested him, even if his crimes were following some sort of code and he would have killed only "guilty" people? It's the same with Quinn who has no relationship with Dexter, other than colleagues at work.

Anyway, this season gets more and more interesting, I can't wait for the new episode!