Did anyone ever mind Doc Ock's change?

[webhead731]

Now, I visited the boards back in 2004, but only for like spoiler or picture threads on Spider-Man 2. I got an account in September of that year, obviously. But even today, I don't see people complaining about Ock being a nicer, happily married person who is almost like a mentor to Peter, and having arms created for the whole mini sun, and Tentacles that eventually gain control of him, and talk to him because they're so intelligent.

Big changes from the comic book. =\ Right?

So what about Venom, Sandman and New Goblin? People complain that Sandman's origin and motives are all changed, Venom's not a hulk of Symbiotic muscle, and New Goblin's costume.

As for NG's costume, understood. I like it, it looks really cool, but just not cool enough for a "Goblin". I didn't want to see him wearing his father's outfit, but something newer. However, it didn't look stupid to me, and the character was done well. But for Venom and Sandy, why do people seem to hate on that? To me, doing what they did to Ock was like a big change. I liked it, but it's completely different. To me, movie adaptations of comic books never have the SAME character. I can't recall seeing one that's a copy of the source material. It's like they try to do something new for a fresh take, and tie it into the plot for a fit. And I like that. It's done all the time.

Is it that some people just happen to LIKE the character's story ideas? And for Spider-Man 3 some people didn't like that take? I'm curious. I can understand why some are disappointed with Venom. Poor guy. He died fast. That angers me too. I will say, everytime I watch it I like him more. I like the take on the character.
But screen time aside, I guess it was the character, or the un-hulk muscles, or Topher's acting abilities that people don't like. I suppose it's not the origin. -_-

So it's really just a luck thing? They make something new, people either like it or dislike it.

I kinda just went on and on up there. =\ But anyway, that's all. xD

 

[Symbiote666]

People hate it because it goes nowehere.

That's the rule of adaptations. If you're going to change something like the origins or motives of a character, have a reason. They changed so much about Eddie, which was all reasonable, but they killed Venom after 15 minutes. Their reasoning was that SM3's Venom was Peter without the steady childhood, but all we got was Eddie making stupid jokes and throwing a few punches.

They didn't follow through, so why bother changing it in the first place?

 

[webhead731]

Well, I can't understand why you say jokes when he made like one. Venom had a sense of humor in the comic books. Usually a sick or weird one.

They did what they said. The Symbiote's effects on an already evil person. Anti-Spider-Man.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It all comes back down to the screen-time of Venom, he should have been in it more, full-stop, if you are only going to use a Spiderman villain for 15 mins, use a lesser one like Shocker, not freaking Venom.

And worst of all, dont kill him off in a way that makes it VERY hard for him to come back.

 

[Jick]

It all comes back down to the screen-time of Venom, he should have been in it more, full-stop, if you are only going to use a Spiderman villain for 15 mins, use a lesser one like Shocker, not freaking Venom.

And worst of all, dont kill him off in a way that makes it VERY hard for him to come back.

honestly, imo, it only shows how Raimi disliked Venom and REALLY didn't want to do him and REALLY wanted him dead for good, without traces, to not generate speculations of any sort, to really show us that he's died and that there's no way anyone can bring him back in the future.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

honestly, imo, it only shows how Raimi disliked Venom and REALLY didn't want to do him and REALLY wanted him dead for good, without traces, to not generate speculations of any sort, to really show us that he's died and that there's no way anyone can bring him back in the future.

But even that's not quite right, on account of the little sample of the symbiote left jumping around in the petri dish in Connors lab after the end credits roll...

 

[Jick]

he probably forgot the piece.
and about Ock's change...I liked. he is my fav villain of this movies, but a sadistic and arrogant Ock, truly evil, would be way better.

 

[mothy]

doctor octopus was done brilliantly in spider-man 2. the film expressed how he felt about his new powers and he was handled as a sympathetic character.

the film version is as good as the comic version, and personally, i think it improves things somewhat.

in the film, he's a likeable man. but as the tentacles start speaking to him, they poison his brain - and together with his wife dying and his science failure, doctor octopus is born.

 

[bullets]

The only thing I didn't like about Sandman's origin in SM3 was the unecessary connection to Uncle Ben . I liked the storyline with his daughter although it never showed resolution. The transformation was fantastic.

I expected Harry to have a different costume and there was no complaints there.

Venom was destroyed. They should of stayed closer to the comics. The landing looked ridiculous , Parker got more *****ey than darker , and in the end he sounded like a raptor.

There was some good points about Venom but there was alot of missed opportunity.
I liked Topher as a choice to play Brock but i would of like it more had he once said We , an inclusion of the tongue , and had they not killed him.

Also they could of thrown in a couple nightmares a nd that scene where parker looks in the mirror and sees venom .

 

[webhead731]

Venom actually did have the tongue. ^

 

[itsleroy]

Venom actually did have the tongue. ^

Well it was a very small tongue.

 

[bullets]

Well the tongue thing was minor bit i refuse to waiver on the other two points.

 

[Oscorp]

I think the changes for Ock made him interesting, but I would still prefer the truly evil, sadistic and arrogant Ock from the comics. It would make him alot more awesome! The Ock in the movie was more like The Lizard. Had they saved Lizard for this kind of treatment and made Ock more like his comic version, I would have been a happier man :P