Did Sandman and Venom present a greater threat than previous villains?

[Blader5489]

It's difficult to say what kind of threat the Green Goblin presented as his intentions were never really made clear. First he wanted revenge on Quest and the Oscorp board, which he did. Then he wanted to best friends with Spider-Man oldrazz and when that fell through, he decided to get revenge on him. So honestly, I would say GG was the same as Venom: focused on getting revenge on a specific group or individual, but apathetic towards anyone else who was hurt along the way.

The most memorable one has to be Spidey saving Otto Octavius from some robots trying to kidnap him on Peter's college campus.

 

[Blader5489]

Not only was Ock the most dangerous in that had he succeeded he would have done the most damage, but he was the only villain in the series to actually have Spider-Man beat at one point (after the train sequence). Ock came the closest of the five major villains of actually achieving his goal.

He was not the most personal of the villains (that would be Harry), but he was the most threatening.

Venom did that too. The only reason Peter was able to beat Venom was because of Harry's intervention.

 

[The Joker]

Read the Spider-Man 2 novelization by Peter David.

 

[Stevens25]

Venom did that too. The only reason Peter was able to beat Venom was because of Harry's intervention.

With the exception of New Goblin and Sandman,every villain had Spider-man down for the count at some point but never managed to kill him. Goblin knocked Spidey out in the original,but instead of killing him he offered that "partnership." Ock had Spidey out as was mentioned and Venom did as well.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Venom did that too. The only reason Peter was able to beat Venom was because of Harry's intervention.

Yes, but it was a tag team match so that sort of thing is expected. Ock actually had him unconcious tied up and delivered to Harry. It was Harry who messed up. Ock could have killed him easily at that point and nothing would have saved him.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Exactly. Out of the people who came closest to actually killing Spider-Man, it was definitely Ock.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Exactly. Out of the people who came closest to actually killing Spider-Man, it was definitely Ock.

I think it was his love for MJ.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

With the exception of New Goblin and Sandman,every villain had Spider-man down for the count at some point but never managed to kill him. Goblin knocked Spidey out in the original,but instead of killing him he offered that "partnership." Ock had Spidey out as was mentioned and Venom did as well.

Your right, every Villian came close to defeating Spidey. As to whether or not which one is a greater threat, I don't really have an answer to that. After my first post I thought about it a while and I just have to think more about that. Doc Ock almost destroyed the city with his fusion machine, which is defenitley threatning.

As Stevens25 said, Venom didn't care to see others suffer, which could be bad news for the poeple of NYC. Venom was retty much cold blooded in the film and he didn't care much for anyone. So if Venom wanted to, he could cause bad things to the city.

 

[Mr.E.Nygma]

No one came as close as menacing as Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin...
Other than that, Doc Ock of course, but it was more accidental than Norman's experiment, which was clearly not ready. Octavius was supposed to be nice and ready, Norman was already a bit insane. Green Goblin FTW!

 

[Leenie]

Venom and Sandman paled in comparison to Ock and Gobby in the threat department.

Agreed.

 

[Batmans Spirit]

Sandman would have been a really great scary villain if he =

1.) Was a BAD guy! (I mean a guy with those powers. He can't be harmed really. If was huge he could pick up 18 wheelers and throw them through buildings, flatten a group of people in a second) He would be remembered well and you would be scared for people because you know he is bad and could harm those around him.

2.) Was developed more and as a bad guy that will get what he wants and wont let anyone get in his way (this make you worried what he is going to do next)

3.) Gave him good long action scenes to show off his powers. The guy can destroy anything, especially if he was giant sandman. I dont know why raimi had him standing still punching and groaning.
This is a character than can shoot down a new york street as a river of sand, can pick up and throw cars, punching buildings to pieces turn into a tornado and well anything you can think of really.

 

[November Rain]

sandman in theory possesses the greatest threat

He knows spidey's identity
Spidey is unable to actually defeat him/encapsulate him physically
His power is tremendous, nor can he be harmed by projectile weapons
Spidey is incapable of taking him down due to his emotional attachment to his uncle.

sandman has more chips in his stash than any of the others...

 

[DoctorJones]

True, but Sandman isn't black-hearted. In terms of villainy awards:

*Green Goblin was downright evil.
*Doc Ock was a very cool villain.
*Sandman was very sympathetic.
*Harry was an anti-hero.
*Venom was very cool (to a non-fan like myself).

 

[Batmans Spirit]

True, but Sandman isn't black-hearted. In terms of villainy awards:

*Green Goblin was downright evil.
*Doc Ock was a very cool villain.
*Sandman was very sympathetic.
*Harry was an anti-hero.
*Venom was very cool (to a non-fan like myself).

Hmm not sure there. I didn't really like anything about movie venom. And there wasn't enough time for me to even have anything to judge him on.

 

[November Rain]

True, but Sandman isn't black-hearted. In terms of villainy awards:

*Green Goblin was downright evil.
*Doc Ock was a very cool villain.
*Sandman was very sympathetic.
*Harry was an anti-hero.
*Venom was very cool (to a non-fan like myself).

If turning into a huge monster and pounding on a defenseless spiderman isn't black hearted, i don't know what is...

I don't know why everyone gets the impression that he wasn't that bad when there are plenty of events that go against it.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, & I don't really see why Peter could forgive him. He killed his uncle & then nearly killed him, I would've beat his ass & threw him away, screw forgiveness. The Green Goblin is still the best villain of the franchise though & then Doc Ock & then Venom.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Sigh…some humans will never learn…

If turning into a huge monster and pounding on a defenseless spiderman isn't black hearted, i don't know what is...

I don't know why everyone gets the impression that he wasn't that bad when there are plenty of events that go against it.

I don’t blame the dog for being stupid. Emotions, instincts and intelligence are three completely different things.
Egoism and selfishness does not make one necessarily malicious either.

So in terms of malicious intent Green Goblin has my vote.
In terms of most physical damage GG, Doc Ock and Sandman are all the same to me.
And in terms of killing spree Green Goblin wins again.
There’s not enough of Venom to qualify him in anything. To elevate him above the other villains that is.
I don’t count Harry because he was just having a domestic dispute with Peter.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, GG is the best at everything, he was pure evil.

 

[Blader5489]

So in terms of malicious intent Green Goblin has my vote.
In terms of most physical damage GG, Doc Ock and Sandman are all the same to me.
And in terms of killing spree Green Goblin wins again.
There’s not enough of Venom to qualify him in anything. To elevate him above the other villains that is.
I don’t count Harry because he was just having a domestic dispute with Peter.

Which is, more or less, how it was done in the comics.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Which is, more or less, how it was done in the comics.

With the only exception that Venom was a much larger murderous villain than his movie counterpart.

 

[Blader5489]

With the only exception that Venom was a much larger murderous villain than his movie counterpart.

His impact on the Spidey universe is marginal, at best. He may be a popular character but he hasn't done anything of real significance.

 

[Eternalzero]

His impact on the Spidey universe is marginal, at best. He may be a popular character but he hasn't done anything of real significance.

I'll say it again....

Spidey is scared Sh**less of Venom. He can't sense him, is a more powerful counterpart than himself, and knows every little thing about him due to the symbiote.

True, Green Goblin has killed off Parker's Girlfriend, Threatened to kill Aunt May billions of times, caused Peter's best friend to end up killing himself, etc.... ends up doing "X horrible" thing to peter's life.

Green Goblin has had TOO Much of an impact on spidey's life, Venom is just a badass and we all know it. Nuff' said.

 

[The Joker]

Spidey is scared Sh**less of Venom.

Not anymore he's not. He hasn't been for years. And, Spidey has been terrified of both Green Goblin and Doc Ock before, too.

But, you don't see Spidey joining forces with Ock and Gobby like he has with Venom many times.

He can't sense him, is a more powerful counterpart than himself, and knows every little thing about him due to the symbiote.

And, that's not done Venom much good, has it. He's never even seriously hurt Spidey so badly that he's put him out of action.

In fact, for all Venom's knowledge and power, he's fallen incredibly short on the villain scale.

Venom is just a badass and we all know it.

I disagree. The only badass thing about him is his appearance. As a villain, he's sub-par at best. If you took Venom out of the Spidey universe what would be different in Peter's life? Nothing.

 

[Blader5489]

The only villain that has truly scared Spidey ****less, and continues to do so, is Norman Osborn. Harry and Doc Ock come close, but GG is really in a league of his own.

I don't care how cool or badass you think Venom is, Eternalzero, that doesn't change the fact that (as I said) he hasn't done anything of real significance.

 

[Eternalzero]

The only villain that has truly scared Spidey ****less, and continues to do so, is Norman Osborn. Harry and Doc Ock come close, but GG is really in a league of his own.

I don't care how cool or badass you think Venom is, Eternalzero, that doesn't change the fact that (as I said) he hasn't done anything of real significance.

I agree with your statement, I am simply saying that Green Goblin has screwed up Parker's life WAY too much. Venom is a great villain despite having done nothing other than beat on Parker.

Venom is carried on just by his powers, abilities and appearance, he doesn't need to have impacted anyone's life dramatically. I am frankly glad he hasn't murder aunt may, or poisoned the parker infant, or killed off his girlfriend and inadvertanly his best friend, or.....etc...

Too much if you ask me. Venom is Spidey's counterpart. Does spider-man always trump venom? Sure, but then again Venom has given him a royal ass kicking and just left him there in a puddle of blood just so spidey knows his place.

Doc. Ock, yeah he's a threat but him and Peter respect each other, it's different. Don't forget he wanted Auny may at one point either. Author's just don't have consistency with characters, some give more significance and some give lamer significance.

Venom is a badass, and we all know it. He doesn't have to rely on destroying parker's entire existence, he just hates him and thats it. Don't throw in mac gargan venom either, he's just stupid.