The Amazing Spider-Man Did Spider-Man 4 Die Because Raimi Wanted It To Be Like Avatar?

[omid17]

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Did-...-Raimi-Wanted-It-To-Be-Like-Avatar-16585.html

In truth, there are probably dozens of reasons why Spider-Man 4 failed-- Sam Raimi and Sony never seemed to be seeing eye-to-eye on the whole thing, and the venture was guaranteed to be hugely expensive. But Vulture has uncovered what's definitely a new theory about why the whole thing fell apart-- Avatar. According to their sources, Raimi apparently was so dazzled by the effects in Avatar that he demanded an even bigger CGi budget from Sony. An unnamed insider explained, "The tipping point was that Sam wanted to do certain things that would push the envelope in terms of [special effects] ‘toys’ and other visual stimulation, and Sony didn’t feel that was essential to the franchise.”

They also got their hands on the basic outline of the plot Raimi was pushing, which is pretty much what we knew-- a new love interest whose father turns out to be The Vulture-- but includes a downer ending that was understandably not that exciting to the studio. Here's the gist below:

Peter Parker gets over MJ, finds a new girl, falls in love. But: Peter also discovers her father is actually the Vulture, a naughty green guy with wings to be played by John Malkovich. Peter is torn between the love of his new lady and taking down the Vulture. Being a Spandex tight-ass, he decides to take down the Vulture, and kills him. This patricide goes down poorly with Peter’s new fiancée, and she rejects him. Despondent, Peter decides to abandon his superpowers, and Movie No. 4 ends with Peter Parker throwing away his Spider-Man mask, and audiences wondering if they are watching Superman II.​

There's a whole lot of other tidbits about the other things that went wrong, including concern over action figures for a sexagenarian villain played by John Malkovich and a last-minute plan to bring in yet another screenwriter. It all offers further proof that there were so many things wrong with the project that nothing really could have made Spider-Man 4 a good movie, and also one tantalizing headline: Avatar Killed Spider-Man 4. How much do you want to bet that's the blame that gets spread the fastest?

 

[Venom 1988]

Oh jeez, that did not sound good at all. Why would Raimi retread familiar ground with the Spidey No More stuff?

 

[Mister J]

Peter Parker gets over MJ, finds a new girl, falls in love. But: Peter also discovers her father is actually the Vulture, a naughty green guy with wings to be played by John Malkovich. Peter is torn between the love of his new lady and taking down the Vulture. Being a Spandex tight-ass, he decides to take down the Vulture, and kills him. This patricide goes down poorly with Peter’s new fiancée, and she rejects him. Despondent, Peter decides to abandon his superpowers, and Movie No. 4 ends with Peter Parker throwing away his Spider-Man mask, and audiences wondering if they are watching Superman II.

Cripes, that sounds awful. It's still hard to pinpoint what's legit and what's a load of mularkey, but there was an article in the LA Times that I posted the other day that cited Peter was going to fall in love with another girl. Sounded like bunk, but now there's this.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

I was going to write the film's score.

see how much merit that has?

 

[Venom 1988]

Yeah but cinemablend has more merit that you do though

 

[omid17]

SM4 was a ****ing mess

 

[webhead731]

"and kills him"

Really? Spider-Man kills someone. I doubt that.

Yeah, and I'm actually Obama. OMG ITZ ON TEH INTRNTZ ITZ TRU!

"naughty green guy"

Sounds like a porno.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Something tells me this is partly false.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I don't believe that ending. Raimi knew he was done, I doubt he would leave it like that. Plus, where's the baby?


The stuff about the budget does match up to the other details about wanting more than 230 million.

 

[webhead731]

Or teh vultrss?!

 

[Venom 1988]

Vultress was added by the studio. The article states this was what Raimi wanted.

 

[Dr.Dude]

The trouble here is a lot of these rumors about the potential SM4 plot don't align with each other; this one states that Peter has a new love interest and even gets engaged to her, while another claims that Peter has a kid with MJ and is changing diapers when not swinging around on webs.

You can definitely tell the production was troubled, though--if the rumor about Raimi walking is true, I can completely understand why. I just wonder what the real story would have been.

 

[webhead731]

Either way, I lose alot of respect for internet fanboys these days for judging a totally unfinished and unwanted script (that we don't even know is real) and saying the movie will suck.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Either way, I lose alot of respect for internet fanboys these days for judging a totally unfinished and unwanted script (that we don't even know is real) and saying the movie will suck.

Agreed, and the fact that some think they themselves can direct a better Spider-Man. It's not that simple.

 

[LightningFlash]

Wow, I knew Sam Raimi sucked...but wow.

And love how Raimi's fanboys claim "no merit" to this report

Although...I still want Vulture in the first installment of this reboot. But do Vulture right of course. And have Ben Kingsley!!!!

I, for one, think this to be true. I mean, c'mon, Sam Raimi did partially write the final script for Spider-Man 3, and all of those stories sucked terribly from Sandman to Harry to even both Stacys. So, yah...it sounds like something Raimi would think of.

And I say good job for Sony. Just because it's a comic-book adaptation, does not mean it needs to have a huge CGI budget. Is Raimi wanting it to look like a Transformers flick?

 

[webhead731]

You're a bit gullible. You'll believe anything negative.

 

[The Chris]

I wonder if we'll ever get the real truth. This article says sam wanted one thing, but this doesn't go at all with what other articles say Sam wanted. Ugh.

 

[webhead731]

I believe Sam just wanted to give us another good Spider-Man movie with everything in his decision.

 

[The Chris]

I believe Sam just wanted to give us another good Spider-Man movie with everything in his decision.

Agreed.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well this article matches up with articles that were released the other week about the delays.

Don't deny it, I remember reading basically the exact same thing a few weeks ago and saying the exact same thing... scrap SM4.

Pete having a new love interest and killing her dad in a fight. The love interest wants revenge on Spidey so takes up the mantle of the Vultress?

Yep, read this weeks ago. And it sounds absolutely terrible.

Raimi probably wanted the daughter of Vulture as Black Cat. The studio then come in and said "Change her to Vultress".

So whatever happened, SM4 was doomed to be crap.

 

[Octoberist]

Wow, I knew Sam Raimi sucked...but wow.

And love how Raimi's fanboys claim "no merit" to this report

Although...I still want Vulture in the first installment of this reboot. But do Vulture right of course. And have Ben Kingsley!!!!

I, for one, think this to be true. I mean, c'mon, Sam Raimi did partially write the final script for Spider-Man 3, and all of those stories sucked terribly from Sandman to Harry to even both Stacys. So, yah...it sounds like something Raimi would think of.

And I say good job for Sony. Just because it's a comic-book adaptation, does not mean it needs to have a huge CGI budget. Is Raimi wanting it to look like a Transformers flick?

how fanboyish (looks at browser) oh yeah, i forgot where i was.

Listen, Spider-Man 3 sucked. Spidey 4..looks like it's a jumbled mess. But my love for Raimi will never go away.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by webhead731
I believe Sam just wanted to give us another good Spider-Man movie with everything in his decision.

Agreed. The only people to deny this are the ones who support the reboot.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=331480

Here you go, look at the start date of the thread.

That synopsis is EXACTLY the same as the synopsis here pretty much.

 

[SpeterMan3]

You're a bit gullible. You'll believe anything negative.

Well, he is Lightning. He's negatively charged.

 

[webhead731]

Well, he is Lightning. He's negatively charged.

If I had sig room, that'd be there.