Days of Future Past "Director's Cut": The Official Matthew Vaughn Thread

[mclay18]

I've been holding my tongue about this "news" for awhile now, but I can no longer remain silent: I am very, very worried about this production. There is no way we are going to get a quality script, cast, and filmed production in 13 months.

You're awfully pessimisstic about this. I mean, X2 had virtually the same production time as First Class, and it turned out very well for both audiences and Fox. (But that was 2002 and this is 2010, a lot of things changed.)

If we get wind of behind-the-scenes problems a la Wolverine, then you can worry your head off. For all we know, this could be much farther along than Fox and Vaughn are willing to let out.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

See, I don't think I'm unrealistic about this. I learned my lesson with Fox a long time ago, and that's why I completely ignored Wolverine. I didn't follow any of that production.

Neither did I. And after I saw the film I felt justified in not doing so. And that was just a year or two ago. And it is clear that Hugh Jackman put his ALL into that movie--with the same lackluster results. In fact, every actor and director attached to FOX's cbms have approached their projects with stellar aspirations and dedication...yes, even Chris Evans, Famke Jansen, Tim Story, Jessica Alba, Brett Ratner, Michael Chiklis, etc. But their efforts were not fully realized because of the common denominator that we shall not speak of.

Therefore, I have a hard time believing that this is going to fare differently--despite the great talent in Matthew Vaughn.

Well, obviously you have your own issues to work out then.

The issues are not mine to work out, man.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

You're awfully pessimisstic about this. I mean, X2 had virtually the same production time as First Class, and it turned out very well for both audiences and Fox. (But that was 2002 and this is 2010, a lot of things changed.)

If we get wind of behind-the-scenes problems a la Wolverine, then you can worry your head off. For all we know, this could be much farther along than Fox and Vaughn are willing to let out.

Look, I am done articulating myself on this particular subject, and I believe I've communicated my points pretty sufficiently--and fairly. I'm not sitting over here screaming "It'z Gon'TEh suckz!!!111" at the top of my lungs as I type. It's not even that deep. And like I said, I want this film to be successful...But as I mentioned from the outset, this microwaved timeframe is a sure clear sign of more issues to come. And that's a fact with productions like this.

I hope I am wrong. I really do. But something tells me that you all know I'm not off my rocker in my estimation of this project.

/end rant

 

[JP]

I respect your opinion, and partially agree. Still, I'll wait it out a bit more.

 

[Ipodman]

Maybe we will finally see the full-body Cyclops costume... something like the one Kick Ass wears

 

[JP]

I also wanted to add that Singer announced he was involved back in early December, and Jamie Moss (who was hand picked by Singer) was hired to write a new draft around the same time. I'd imagine pre-production stuff may have started around that time

 

[danoyse]

Im sorry, but your post is not making a lot of sense to me? I've been managing this forum for a long time, and these concerns have been here from the very begining of its inception. Nothing I've posted tonight is some bold revelation to anyone. The only difference (and perhaps shocker to some) is that for once I'm the one claiming the argument.

Well, you're basically marching in here telling everyone to be realistic and realize the movie is going to suck. You're making is sound like you're jumping on everyone who has the nerve to be excited for this movie as if they were deluded.

I've seen a lot of people excited about Vaughn and Singer's involvment, but plenty of skepticism as well. Most of us are vets here, we know the drill when it comes to these movies by now.

We've all been around the block with this and we all know that anything involving "X-Men" and "Fox" should inspire nothing more than extremely cautious optimism at this point.

You want to join the team that's resigned to the movie being bad, go ahead. No one's stopping you. To an extent, we do agree that considering this history, the outlook is not good. But the way you were talking - it's like you consider the whole over now. And well, it's not.

Not sure that statement is entirely fair. I am simply issuing a reminder to remember the past and proceed with caution for the future. In fact, the same clause could be applied to those who are accused of being "pessismistic" just because they've observed the same cycle repeat itself over the last 8 years, no?

Yes, because that's the definition of pessimism. Something had to make them pessimistic in the first place. And the past is all that's what everyone is talking about. You're actually a little late with your reminder.

We all get it. But like it or not, the movie is happening. I just don't think we should devote the entire forum to how much it's going to suck.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Remember X-Men started filming In September of 1999.David hayter was during rewrites during shooting,and Bryan Singer had to recast Wolverine
plus Fox only gave him 75 Million(less than what they gave to the Fantastic Four) and pushed the release from Christmas to Summer.He had to complete
all of Ian Mckellan's scenes by December so he could go film The Lord of Rings.He wrapped X-Men In February of 2000 and had 4 months to compete
the film.With all that he still did a film which revived the comic book movie
genre which batman and Robin came close to killing.

Even X2 was done on a tight schedule.And while many sequels to big films
get more money Singer still limited.And the script was being rewritten during shooting.The Phoenix stuff was added during filming.

The fact both films turned out so well despite Fox giving limited budgets and on tight schedules Is a testerment to Singer's ability.I consider his X-Men films to be the best marvel films.In fact I call X2 with the original Superman
and both of Chris Nolan's Batman films the best comic book films.Singer has
done the only good Fox Marvel films.The Last Stand,Wolverine,both fantastic four,Daredevil(although I do like the directors cut) and Elektra can't hold a candle to X-Men and X2.and the fact by all accounts Singer after meeting with matthew vaughn really pushed for him to direct Is all I need to have faith in him.The fact he did Stardust makes him even better.And the fact they threw out a script by the producer of Gossip Girl for a story by Singer that Is being rewritten by the writers of Thor gives me more faith that for the first time since X2 there Is excitement for a X-Men film.And if X-Men the Last Stand can become the highest grossing X-Men film after Mission Impossible 3,and the Da Vinci Code opened the same month then First Class which will obvisously be better quality should do fine.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Matthew Vaughn? Meh. I suppose it's a done deal now, and unless he pulls a repeat of The Last Stand, he's here to stay.

All I can say is that I hope we don't get Leech being carried around in a backpack, or Iceman getting fried in the Danger Room only to have his skin re-appear and return to life, because "it was a simulation"



(I swear, as many problems as there were with X3, AT LEAST Vaughn's ****** ideas didn't make it in)

 

[JP]

Have you seen any of Vaughn's movies?

 

[StormCrazy]

I wonder if Vaughn directed The Last Stand... then he might have saved the franchise!

 

[JP]

I don't think so, which is why he left that volcano before it erupted. I'm certain it would have been a far better film, though.

 

[Mace Dolex]

I've only seen Mathew's Kick-Ass and it was good I just don't like the idea of seeing teen X-Men, now that we have a director what with casting, script, production, it's another two years until the movie comes out.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Have you seen any of Vaughn's movies?

I haven't, tho I think Kick-Ass looks good and would like to see it (didn't know he did it)

But that doesn't change the fact that his ideas for The Last Stand were utterly autrocious.

 

[FaT_tONle]

So maybe we should just close down this forum? Or just consider anyone hoping the film will be good a troll and chase them out with our blinding Fox hate? I'll give you the keys, you can lock up.

Sorry, that's not how things are going to go down here.

Then are people that write off the film because it's a Fox production mindless trolls who will hate on anything Rothman? Are we going to get kicked out of threads for bringing up shortcomings in X-3 and Origins in this section for being off topic? After the pages of TDK talk in IM2 with not a word from you in those sections, I hope there won't be a double standard in the X-Men forums.

 

[JP]

I haven't, tho I think Kick-Ass looks good and would like to see it (didn't know he did it)

But that doesn't change the fact that his ideas for The Last Stand were utterly autrocious.

I would suggest checking out both Stardust and Kick-Ass. Great great films.

I don't think Vaughn's ideas were any worse then what we got in the end, anyway. I'm also not even sure how much say he had in the initial planning of X3 in the first place, but the examples you gave don't sound bad in the least bit.

Either way, this is Singer's story he's directing. So, I guess you don't have to worry.

 

[BMM]

I've only seen Mathew's Kick-Ass and it was good I just don't like the idea of seeing teen X-Men, now that we have a director what with casting, script, production, it's another two years until the movie comes out.

No, not two years... 12 months and 28 days. That's why people are questioning it.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Although I'm not too thrilled about another not X-Men enough movie from Fox,I'm sick of Magneto,and lackluster super villains when it comes to Marvel movies. Why can't we have someone else who is actually good for a change that won't be butchered? I don't want teen X-Men even though it's inevitably going to be in the movie. I'm sure this movie will be better than X-Men Origins:Wolverine for sure,marginally. Well I have a very bad idea it's going to mainly Magneto once again.

 

[JP]

We don't know who the villain is yet.

 

[Ipodman]

Although I'm not too thrilled about another X-Men enough movie from Fox,I'm sick of Magneto,and lackluster super villains when it comes to Marvel movies. Why can't we have someone else who is actually good for a change that won't be butchered? I don't want teen X-Men even though it's inevitably going to be in the movie. I'm sure this movie will be better than X-Men Origins:Wolverine for sure.

I actually do... it will be nice to see. And some interesting relationships to explore. Like Cyclops and jean for starters....
and I liked the 1st Class comic anyway...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I would suggest checking out both Stardust and Kick-Ass. Great great films.

I don't think Vaughn's ideas were any worse then what we got in the end, anyway. I'm also not even sure how much say he had in the initial planning of X3 in the first place, but the examples you gave don't sound bad in the least bit.

Either way, this is Singer's story he's directing. So, I guess you don't have to worry.

I'm sure I'll see Kick-Ass - it looks awesome. Stardust not saying it looked BAD, but it just didn't look all that interesting to me. I've never had any interest to see it.

As far as Vaughn's ideas - Leech being carried around by Logan in a backpack on Alcatraz does not sound like a good idea to me. Neither does Iceman getting killed by the Danger Room training session, only to be undone, because apparently lethal wounds can be undone by turning off a program...

Also, it was under Vaughn's watch that we got things like the death of Cyclops - that was already there when Ratner got there, and to change it would be to make an entire overhaul of the script that Ratner didn't have time for. And though I'm not 100% certain when these things were added, I'm sure the curing of Rogue and the death of Xavier were all in Vaughn's script also.

Remember, the X-Men 3 we got was largely the same thing that was in the infamous AICN script review, which was the "7-day script" that was done by Kinberg and Penn, under the watch of Vaughn.

Yea, some things were changed, and Ratner did make some input obviously, but the bulk of what we got that everyone hates so much came under the watch of Vaughn.

 

[JP]

As far as Vaughn's ideas - Leech being carried around by Logan in a backpack on Alcatraz does not sound like a good idea to me.

How is that any different then him carrying around Artie in X2?

Neither does Iceman getting killed by the Danger Room training session, only to be undone, because apparently lethal wounds can be undone by turning off a program...

Something so minuscule that has no impact on the larger story what-so-ever other than being a "Hey that's cool" scene. . .

Also, it was under Vaughn's watch that we got things like the death of Cyclops - that was already there when Ratner got there

If the studio, or Brett, wanted Cyclops alive he would have stayed alive.

, and to change it would be to make an entire overhaul of the script that Ratner didn't have time for.

I REALLY doubt that.

I'm sure the curing of Rogue and the death of Xavier were all in Vaughn's script also.

Rogue was Ratners choice, he even says so on the commentary. Xavier's death was a brilliant idea, whoever came up with it.

Remember, the X-Men 3 we got was largely the same thing that was in the infamous AICN script review, which was the "7-day script" that was done by Kinberg and Penn, under the watch of Vaughn.

Yea, some things were changed, and Ratner did make some input obviously, but the bulk of what we got that everyone hates so much came under the watch of Vaughn.

Yes, in SEVEN FREAKIN' DAYS. That's lunacy, and a testament to Fox's need to rush everything.


Also, Vaughn didn't write the script. Kinberg and Penn did. He may have given story ideas, but story ideas are the larger picture, not smaller details. Xavier being killed is a major plot detail credited to the person who came up with the story. The examples you gave are such small details that were likely written by Penn and Kinberg. Vaughn say's "Wolverine and Leech end up at point A" and Kinberg and Penn write exactly how they end up at point A.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

How is that any different then him carrying around Artie in X2?

It's very different. Wolverine picked up Artie in X2 because he stumbled and fell in the snow, as they were escaping from the dam and trying to get to the Blackbird. Logan carrying Artie was the only way to get him to safety.

In X-Men 3, Logan was supposed to carry Leech around - in a backpack - on the battlefield and run around using him as a weapon to de-mutanize everyone. Totally different, and totally lame.

Something so minuscule that has no impact on the larger story what-so-ever other than being a "Hey that's cool" scene. . .

But it's not even "hey, that's a cool scene", it goes against any kind of logic what so ever. Iceman suffers lethal injuries in training session, but then is magically alive because by turning off a program, it means his lethal injuries never happened... wait, what?!

If the studio, or Brett, wanted Cyclops alive he would have stayed alive.

I REALLY doubt that.

Why not? Ratner came in at the very last minute - literally. He couldn't be making drastic changes to the script. By keeping Cyclops alive the story would have to have been drastically changed. And I'm not saying there weren't studio implications that killed Cyclops, I just disagree that it was as childish as everyone thinks (I.E.: kill Cyclops because James Marsden went to "the enemy"), but instead he was killed due to practicality (Marsden wasn't AVAILABLE to shoot), as well as financially (Marsden is not as bankable a star as Jackman, therefore doesn't get the lead role in the studio's tentpole blockbuster).

Rogue was Ratners choice, he even says so on the commentary. Xavier's death was a brilliant idea, whoever came up with it.

If it was Ratner's idea, then it was a horrible one. Xavier's death I don't find to be very "brilliant" either - while I loved that entire sequence, I hated Xavier's death.

Yes, in SEVEN FREAKIN' DAYS. That's lunacy, and a testament to Fox's need to rush everything.


Also, Vaughn didn't write the script. Kinberg and Penn did. He may have given story ideas, but story ideas are the larger picture, not smaller details. Xavier being killed is a major plot detail credited to the person who came up with the story. The examples you gave are such small details that were likely written by Penn and Kinberg. Vaughn say's "Wolverine and Leech end up at point A" and Kinberg and Penn write exactly how they end up at point A.

From what I recall - and I admit I may be remembering incorrectly - the 7 day script was Kinberg and Penn writing with Vaughn there dictating what he wanted done. He was the director, it's his vision. It was Penn, I believe, who came out and said that Leech in a backpack idea was Vaughn's - not something they came up with on his watch, but something that HE wanted. The Iceman idiocy was one of Vaughn's storyboards for the Danger Room sequence.

 

[JP]

Ok, so you have spoken many a time about your love for X3. But, everything you love about it is thanks to Ratner. And everything you hate is 100% thanks to Vaughn? That is ludicrous.

I'm sorry, but Vaughn has proven himself as a stylistic, visionary director capable of handling complex stories and characters with depth and interest. Ratner has proven himself as a studio hack capable of none of those things. This isn't even worth arguing.

 

[Saint]

Eh, it's hard to get excited about this, given the release date. Fox is obviously sticking to their usual plan of making the film as quickly and easily as possible and relying on the brand to get asses in seats, with quality present only when accidental. Prepare for X3 Part Deux.

It's now becoming apparent that so long as Fox controls the rights, no good X-Men movies will be made, ever, under any circumstances--and since Fox will not let the rights revert to Marvel so long as the franchise makes them money, the X-Men movies are pretty much dead for the foreseeable future.