The Dark Knight Rises Discussing the Third Movie and 3D

Ok, i didnt know that, nor am i a hypocrite. I dont have anything against Nolan, in fact Begins is my favourite comic book movie. I just think that Nolan might be a bit pretentious. Your post proves me wrong though.
 
Ok, i didnt know that, nor am i a hypocrite. I dont have anything against Nolan, in fact Begins is my favourite comic book movie. I just think that Nolan might be a bit pretentious. Your post proves me wrong though.

Nolan has clearly explained why he prefers film over the years and it is strictly a technical issue (film has a higher resolution and provides a richer image than digital...it's really a simple thing IMHO), yet you looked past his explanations and made an assumption about his character. Why? Every actor who has worked with the guy has said he is a very humble person, unlike legendary screamer James Cameron for instance. The fact that you are making assumptions about the guy's character without any evidence to back it up suggests that you do have something against him.
 
Nolan has clearly explained why he prefers film over the years and it is strictly a technical issue (film has a higher resolution and provides a richer image than digital...it's really a simple thing IMHO), yet you looked past his explanations and made an assumption about his character. Why? Every actor who has worked with the guy has said he is a very humble person, unlike legendary screamer James Cameron for instance. The fact that you are making assumptions about the guy's character without any evidence to back it up suggests that you do have something against him.
Eh, Mr. Earle always has to find something to talk about, that's all. :yay:

It keeps the discussion going, that's for sure. :funny:
 
And that justifies him attacking people at every single one of his posts?
Fire with fire, as they say. :o

Crook, i understand that i've stepped up my Nolan whining and i'll try to tone it down, but its only because i want the best for Batman and i am surprised that someone like Favs can outdo a director of Nolan's caliber in some of the easiest aspects of superhero moviemaking.
Yes, in some. You'll find faults with every director in some areas. The important part is what they contribute as a whole. As a director, Nolan has been leagues above Favreau in this regard.

I'm almost kinda happy that IM2 is getting the mixed reception it is now, as it finally shows who can provide the better back-to-back comic book films.
 
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I agree, and like everyone learned from Nolan and is using IMAX, Nolan could shoot in 3D and not snub it because someone else did it first.

IMAX hasn't quite caught on like 3D. Who else beside Nolan has used it in a feature film ?

Oh Bay. But he is Bay. LoL Bay.
 
I'm almost kinda happy that IM2 is getting the mixed reception it is now, as it finally shows who can provide the better back-to-back comic book films.
:funny: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's up for debate, in itself. It seems most people here don't like BB, but love TDK, which, may be the reverse with IM. Both may be good films, but people will have an opinion as to what they like more. But I don't see why you would want a film to get mixed reactions, just because you like Nolan so much?
 
I'm almost kinda happy that IM2 is getting the mixed reception it is now, as it finally shows who can provide the better back-to-back comic book films.

:doh:

I enjoyed IM1 and I'm looking forward to the sequel. I'm not expecting it to be the greatest movie ever, but then again I do not think IM1 is the greatest movie ever either. The first one is a fun superhero movie and I am hoping the sequel is similar.
 
:funny: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's up for debate, in itself. It seems most people here don't like BB, but love TDK, which, may be the reverse with IM. Both may be good films, but people will have an opinion as to what they like more. But I don't see why you would want a film to get mixed reactions, just because you like Nolan so much?

Reminds me of this dude in the Inception boards who wants Inception to fail so Bat3man has less hype. :funny:
 
:funny: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's up for debate, in itself. It seems most people here don't like BB, but love TDK, which, may be the reverse with IM. Both may be good films, but people will have an opinion as to what they like more. But I don't see why you would want a film to get mixed reactions, just because you like Nolan so much?
Erm...I don't. Quite the contrary, as I was very much looking forward to Favreau upping the ante for the sequel. You will note that I typed "I'm almost happy", which is to say I am not. But if there was any good to come from that, it was to hush up the growing trend of bashing TDK down so a new heir was to be crowned.
 
IM2 isn't as good as it could've been is because I am 100% sure the Studio interfered with the script and the production.

Let's not overrate Nolan though.

TDK isn't that big of a step up compared to X-2 and Spidey 2. Two other comic films that allowed the respective directors relatively free reign.

Who knows how great IM2 could've been if Favreau was allowed to do what he wanted.
 
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IM2 isn't as good as it could've been is because I am 100% sure the Studio interfered with the script and the production.

Let's not overrate Nolan though.

TDK isn't that big of a step up compared to X-2 and Spidey 2. Two other comic films that allowed the respective directors reletively free reign.

Spidey 2 is just as overrated as TDK IMHO. X2 is great, just as strong thematically as TDK and Watchmen. Heck, maybe even stronger than those two thematically. And X2's action is better than TDK. TDK has better acting though. All in all they are pretty similar quality to me (8/10 type movies). SM2 is a 7/10 at best.
 
Erm...I don't. Quite the contrary, as I was very much looking forward to Favreau upping the ante for the sequel. You will note that I typed "I'm almost happy", which is to say I am not. But if there was any good to come from that, it was to hush up the growing trend of bashing TDK down so a new heir was to be crowned.
Eh, that'll always happen. But Favreau's approach is completely different from Nolan's approach. Like I don't think SM2 or TDK are akin to each other at all, but people still like to make comparisons. :funny:
 
Fire with fire, as they say. :o
I dont think i run around offending people like he does in every post of his.
Yes, in some. You'll find faults with every director in some areas. The important part is what they contribute as a whole. As a director, Nolan has been leagues above Favreau in this regard.
Agreed. Like i said, Nolan is above his caliber for sure.
I'm almost kinda happy that IM2 is getting the mixed reception it is now, as it finally shows who can provide the better back-to-back comic book films.
That's very mean of you. :oldrazz:
To be honest i feel that IM2 is underrated and while it has some problems i feel that some fans in here are buying what the critics write in their reviews. For example many fans whine about the Avengers disturbing the narrative flow of the movie while there are no Avenger subplots until the end where Fury does Tony's psychological profile!!! When you watch the movie, please come back to me and tell me whether i am right or wrong.

I am not trying to sell IM2 as a masterpiece, but i think its just as good as the first. I still dont get why it gets so much flack but Spiderman 2 is considered a masterpiece despite its many flaws and campiness.
But if there was any good to come from that, it was to hush up the growing trend of bashing TDK down so a new heir was to be crowned.
Nobody is trying to crown IM2 as the new best superhero movie. Far from it. Its just sad that one of the secondary characters in a Favs movie has better fight scenes than the goddamn Batman, be it Nolan's, Scorcheze's, or Spielberg's.
And then there's the visuals. I remember reading a reviewer go on about how Favs delivers on one of the important aspects of this genre: Beautiful images. He wrote that the IM & WM vs drones scene was gorgeous and that its a scene that should go in the history books of comic book movies.
 
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I dont think i run around offending people like he does in every post of his.
You'd be surprised. Your method is more indirect when you diss on things people like...constantly. :o

To be honest i feel that IM2 is underrated and while it has some problems i feel that some fans in here are buying what the critics write in their reviews. For example many fans whine about the Avengers disturbing the narrative flow of the movie while there are no Avenger subplots until the end where Fury does Tony's psychological profile!!! When you watch the movie, please come back to me and tell me whether i am right or wrong.
Oh, I'm still hoping IM2's lukewarm reception is just being blown out of proportion. To be honest I'm embracing the negativity now, so that if it's actually true, I won't be so disappointed. If not, hey, expectations surpassed.

Nobody is trying to crown IM2 as the new best superhero movie. Far from it.
Not IM2, per se, but most definitely a new challenger to the throne. Spidey was the king for a while, and SM3 really turned people off, so it was the perfect time for Bats to snatch it away very easily. Now the shoe's on the other foot and people are starting to get sick of the TDK love orgy (which is understandable).

Its just sad that one of the secondary characters in a Favs movie has better fight scenes than the goddamn Batman, be it Nolan's, Scorcheze's, or Spielberg's.

And then there's the visuals. I remember reading a reviewer go on about how Favs delivers on one of the important aspects of this genre: Beautiful images. He wrote that the IM & WM vs drones scene was gorgeous and that its a scene that should go in the history books of comic book movies.
I wouldn't call Fav's staging "beautiful". More like well-choreographed and full of spectacle. I'll commend him for that, but really it's such a small aspect of the overall package. He's trumped in practically everything else.
 
And that justifies him attacking people at every single one of his posts?

Crook, i understand that i've stepped up my Nolan whining and i'll try to tone it down, but its only because i want the best for Batman and i am surprised that someone like Favs can outdo a director of Nolan's caliber in some of the easiest aspects of superhero moviemaking.


Yes, because all superhero movies are made exactly the same. :whatever:

And it's not because Batman and Iron Man are incredibly different characters when it comes to mood and tone.

Man, you're unbelievable. You managed to insult not only Nolan as a director but jon favreau as a director at the EXACT same time.

Unbelievable.
 
I wouldn't call Fav's staging "beautiful". More like well-choreographed and full of spectacle. I'll commend him for that, but really it's such a small aspect of the overall package. He's trumped in practically everything else.
Yup. One thing that really tickled me was at the LA cinematography expo back in June 2008 (where I was there to see Wally Pfister speak), at an entirely different seminar about Westerns, someone asked Oscar-nominated cinematographer Owen Roizman about whose work he really admired. He thought for a few seconds then said he was really looking forward to TDK because he thought Pfister's work was inspiring.

It was just really neat to hear someone in the business back up my (and undoubtedly many of our) thoughts that Pfister's cinematography was beautiful. Sure the action scenes aren't perfectly staged, but just the color and the depth of field...I don't know how they do it, but it's gorgeous to look at. They also employed some interesting camera movements in TDK. Little things, but very cool touches.
 
And then there's the visuals. I remember reading a reviewer go on about how Favs delivers on one of the important aspects of this genre: Beautiful images. He wrote that the IM & WM vs drones scene was gorgeous and that its a scene that should go in the history books of comic book movies.


I love the look of IM1. It's very slick and it looks great on Blu-ray with a nice thin layer of film grain. But from a cinematography standpoint, both of Nolan's Batman movies are better. Pfister's photography in those two films is absolutely beautiful.
 
:funny: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's up for debate, in itself. It seems most people here don't like BB, but love TDK, which, may be the reverse with IM.
Who here doesn't like Begins? Criticisms don't equal hate.
 
I wouldn't call Fav's staging "beautiful". More like well-choreographed and full of spectacle. I'll commend him for that, but really it's such a small aspect of the overall package. He's trumped in practically everything else.
I agree.
Yup. One thing that really tickled me was at the LA cinematography expo back in June 2008 (where I was there to see Wally Pfister speak), at an entirely different seminar about Westerns, someone asked Oscar-nominated cinematographer Owen Roizman about whose work he really admired. He thought for a few seconds then said he was really looking forward to TDK because he thought Pfister's work was inspiring.

It was just really neat to hear someone in the business back up my (and undoubtedly many of our) thoughts that Pfister's cinematography was beautiful. Sure the action scenes aren't perfectly staged, but just the color and the depth of field...I don't know how they do it, but it's gorgeous to look at. They also employed some interesting camera movements in TDK. Little things, but very cool touches.
I am no film expert and therefore i cant judge Pfister's work, so i'll only say this. I was mesmerized by Begins but indifferent to TDK's images apart from the white sailing boat on the Caribbean waters and the whole Hong Kong scene. If someone liked the pitch dark alleys that you couldnt see your own nose, the climax on a dusty skyscraper full of crap, and the Two Face scene in a dusty and dark warehouse, then its fine by me. I just didnt.

Lets get back on topic which is 3D.
 
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Was it Chris Nolan or Goyer said Batman 3 wouldn't be in 3D?
 
Who here doesn't like Begins? Criticisms don't equal hate.
And who here outright hates IM2? Just like you said, criticism doesn't equal hate, and that's exactly what I was talking about. You must have read my post wrong, or didn't understand the simple analogy of comparing BB and IM2. :cwink:
 
did they said that it wouldnt be in 3D or that they wouldnt film in 3D?
 
That convoy chase scene in the middle of the movie was pretty "well choreographed and full of spectacle". Near Cameronesque.

If nothing else.
 

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