The Dark Knight Rises Discussing the Third Movie and 3D

[solidsnake86]

The 3rd batman film is going to make money no matter what, if WB thinks they can make more on 3d, and if its somehow proven by clash of the titans, then nolan is not going to have a say because money makes business go round. Besides, not every theatre has 3d technology so I don't see what the big deal is if one screen is showing the 3d version and the rest are showing 2d. It may even give an incentive for the regular audience to watch a film twice if they can't get into the 3d showing the first time. I haven't seen avatar so I can't comment on 3d.

 

[Mr.?]

Im going to say this now, if the studio gets involved and starts making decisions this movie is doomed.

 

[Jokers_Wild]

****...i didn't know about this!

I just hope Nolan keeps HIS vision in tact, and tells WB where to shove it!

3D WILL NOT MAKE A MOVIE SUCCESSFUL ON ITS OWN. TDK WAS NOT 3D, and it did pretty well! I reckon TDK will still have done better than Piranhas in 3D!

 

[Crook]

I dare say if Nolan is against 3D conversion, there could be quite a stink made of this. As a director he should have some creative control as to what format the film is presented in, if he doesn't intend to create scenes that are intentionally made to 'pop' out what's the point of 3D? If the intent is not to utilize the 3D experience in a way similar to what Avatar did then it becomes a cheap gimmick.

One of cinema's all-time legends disagrees:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100302/ap_en_ot/us_film3d_drama

When color was widely introduced to Hollywood moviemaking in the 1930s, was first used predominantly in musicals and other films thought to be perfect platforms for rainbow hues. Many filmmakers are predicting a similar genre expansion for 3-D.
"We see in depth, for the most part. We go to the theater — it's in depth. Why couldn't a film like `Precious' be in 3-D? It should be," says Martin Scorsese.

Other similar quotes from more filmmakers in the link as well.

Im going to say this now, if the studio gets involved and starts making decisions this movie is doomed.

Let's hope Inception performs mighty well, then. If not, we could be in for some trouble...

 

[ultimatefan]

I swear, WB better not start looking over Nolan's shoulder and tell him that he needs to put in a scene like this or like that because it would look so "cool" in 3D. The only thing that could prevent us from getting a stellar superhero trilogy, and keeping the curse of the weak 3rd superhero movie alive, is studio interference! Stay the hell out of Nolan's way WB!!!

And yea, I know what you are thinking, it's Nolan, WB would never do that. Well, I NEVER trust movie studios!

Nolan shot scenes in IMAX and shot them specifically for that format, and it worked great. It´s just how you do it.

 

[Symbiotic]

I hope to God that WB doesn't start forcing Nolan to make their movie instead of his.

 

[The Joker]

I hope to God that WB doesn't start forcing Nolan to make their movie instead of his.

Spider-Man 3 should serve as a cautionary tale as to what happens when the studio doesn't let the director make his own movie.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Nolan shot scenes in IMAX and shot them specifically for that format, and it worked great. It´s just how you do it.

That's great because that's what Nolan wanted to do. The head of WB didn't say a year before the filming of TDK that all tentpole films will be partially shot in Imax thus leaving Nolan with no choice.

If Nolan wants to shoot in 3D, then awesome, no problem. The problem is these studios making the decisions for the directors. And Cameron even mentioned this in an interview. It should be up to the director how he wants his film done/presented.

 

[Symbiotic]

Spider-Man 3 should serve as a cautionary tale as to what happens when the studio doesn't let the director make his own movie.

Exactly. Raimi should've walked away. If Batman 3 is in 3D, I want it to be because Nolan honestly wanted it to be. He should walk if that's not the case.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

^Agreed.

Leave it up to the filmmaker. It's scary when you have heads of studio making these blanket statements of how all these films will be shot with no say from the directors at all.

 

[ultimatefan]

That's great because that's what Nolan wanted to do. The head of WB didn't say a year before the filming of TDK that all tentpole films will be partially shot in Imax thus leaving Nolan with no choice.

If Nolan wants to shoot in 3D, then awesome, no problem. The problem is these studios making the decisions for the directors. And Cameron even mentioned this in an interview. It should be up to the director how he wants his film done/presented.

WB is known for backing up the filmmaker´s vision. They-and Pixar - are the furthest thing from Fox there is, thank God.

 

[zeptron]

WB is known for backing up the filmmaker´s vision. They-and Pixar - are the furthest thing from Fox there is, thank God.

Didn't people say the same thing about Sony once? And now look at them.

 

[ultimatefan]

Didn't people say the same thing about Sony once? And now look at them.

I don´t think Sony ever had WB´s reputation, except for the first two Spidey movies. They made things like Godzilla and MIB II before their "decadence". They got a talented indie director to reboot Spider-Man, so there may be still hope for them.

 

[wayneson]

One of cinema's all-time legends disagrees:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100302/ap_en_ot/us_film3d_drama

Other similar quotes from more filmmakers in the link as well.



Let's hope Inception performs mighty well, then. If not, we could be in for some trouble...

Scorsese's statement lines up with the way I feel about the issue - the movie experience can only IMPROVE when 3D is employed; it can't be a negative, only a positive, because these new technologies in film simply bring the image on the screen and sound in the theater closer to the reality of our experience in the world. We hear the world with perfect sound, see it in color, and in three dimensions, so it is only natural that filmmakers, in their pursuit of the most expressive reproduction of actual experience, employ these advancements. Does anyone honestly believe that Alfred Hitchcock wouldn't have used the current advanced technology of digital sound and 3D for The Birds, or Psycho, or North by Northwest, if it had been available at the time? How about Coppola's The Godfather, or Apocalypse Now? As Scorsese indicated, it is the depth of the experience, the realistic depiction of the world, that this new 3D technology elevates. In the hands of a brilliant film director, it's not about flashiness, or artifice.

 

[KalMart]

I think they're all moving a bit too fast with 3D in movies. What they should do is start with paintings...all the most famous paintings redone in 3D...from Michelangelo to Picasso, Van Gogh to Pollock, etc. Hand out glasses to everyone who's coming to see then in galleries/museums or the Sistine Chapel. See how that reaction is...then move on to famous still photography...and eventually they can work their way towards film if it catches on.

 

[Figs]

If they are filming it in 3D, cool. If not, then this is bad news. I want to see an imax version without having to wear the glasses for a lame tacked on 3D experience.

Same here. Not to mention my damn local Imax has the cheap ass yellow 3D glasses. My gf, sister and I were pissed when we saw Avatar wearing those pieces of garbage. It's sad when digital 3D on a normal screen was way better.

I would really love to see Nolan's 3rd Batman film on Imax again, especially if he films some of it with an Imax camera but I don't think I will if it's in 3D.

I bet this irritates the hell out of Nolan since in the past he's said how he considers the movie screen a canvas to paint on and 3D just dampens that.

Johnny Drama, I don't mind seeing some films in 3D, especially if it's the 3D that was used in Avatar. I just think it's going overboard when they want that many films to be in 3D. It's getting to the point where most if not all films will be in that format for the next 5-10 years.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Unless they will be filming this in 3D its a bs gimmick. James Cameron the godfater of modern 3d has totally trashed upon the idea of films being shot in 2d but later on transferred to 3d.

All or all nothing and i feel the same about IMAX.

 

[KalMart]

Unless they will be filming this in 3D its a bs gimmick. James Cameron the godfater of modern 3d has totally trashed upon the idea of films being shot in 2d but later on transferred to 3d.

All or all nothing and i feel the same about IMAX.

"Though I still love 3D original photography, the technical solution provided by In-Three was a welcome addition to our palette of stereo film-making tools [for "Aliens of The Deep"]. They were able to add real depth to the 2D video images captured by our robotic vehicles, and these shots blended beautifully with our 3D shots. I predict that their innovative techniques will continue to expand the possibilities for 3D content."

- James Cameron

http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/freeing-artistic-vision-from-3ds-limitations


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The other thing about 2D-3D conversion techniques is that there are a lot of different ones out there that do it to various levels of quality and cost. I think the only way to really judge how successful it will be is to standardize both conversion technique as well as projection/glasses....so that everyone is judging the same thing. As I referred to in an earlier post...I'm shocked if some places are still using the old red/blue technique...which is basically from the 1950's. Something like the above-mentioned in-Three may be the cream of the crop in terms of 2D-3D, but it requires a specific setup and electronic glasses (as opposed to the passive polarized ones)..so it's still an undertaking for all theaters to adopt it if there are cheaper/simpler ways out there, even if they're inferior in results.

 

[Bruce Malone]

He's talking about a documentary this is his opinion about it for a feature:

Burton plans to convert the footage to 3D in post production, a decision that has angered and baffled the 3D community. “It doesn’t make any sense to shoot in 2D and convert to 3D,” Cameron said.​

His opinion is pretty clear.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/12/02/james-cameron-criticizes-tim-burton-and-3d-dvd-releases/​

 

[KalMart]

He's talking about a documentary this is his opinion about it for a feature:



His opinion is pretty clear.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/12/02/james-cameron-criticizes-tim-burton-and-3d-dvd-releases/​

/Film article: 2008

Creative Cow article: 2009



He's had a change of heart since then with new developments.

And he's only referring to his own documentary as an example, the "I predict that their innovative techniques will continue to expand the possibilities for 3D content" includes features.

 

[Dark_Lord]

Aren't they also converting Titanic for a 3D re-release?

 

[Bruce Malone]

/Film article: 2008

Creative Cow article: 2009



He's had a change of heart since then with new developments.

And he's only referring to his own documentary as an example, the "I predict that their innovative techniques will continue to expand the possibilities for 3D content" includes features.

I think you need to pay closer attention to what you read

SEEING IS BELIEVING

[Ed. note: The following are quotes from a panel held at ShoWest in 2005, introducing In-Three's process to 2000 cinema exhibitors.]

Cameron does not change hearts. He breaks them.

 

[KalMart]

Aren't they also converting Titanic for a 3D re-release?

Yes.

 

[KalMart]

Cameron does not change hearts. He breaks them.

Ah. Still, I doubt he'd be okay with Titanic being converted if he was so opposed to it. And it's not like he's going to stop it from being done.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Well for old films what can you do their already shot. But for new films why not go for the gold?

Cameron spent so much time developing his own 3d filming process that i undertstand why he'd get pissed at movies skipping over that and releasing these inferior converted films. And studios trying to sell those films as being on par technologically with his 3d.