The Dark Knight Rises Discussing the Third Movie and 3D

[Mr. Earle]

There really is no practical need for 3D for a batman movie. No need at all. GL, Superman, Flash sure, but not this.

This is just a cash in and a gimmick.

 

[Hole Shot]

I mean, from a business standpoint Batman 3 doesn't need it, it's a guaranteed success.

It seems they're more concerned about life after the theater and are trying to build up the inventory for their new HBO channel. Which coincidentally is similar to how The Riddler tried to takeover Gotham in Batman Forever.

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

There really is no practical need for 3D for a batman movie. No need at all. GL, Superman, Flash sure, but not this.

This is just a cash in and a gimmick.

The practical need is that WB wants a bigger box office return. The 3D conversion process is relatively simple, and would generate more revenue. WB would be stupid not to release it in 3D. Do you want a big check, or do you want an even bigger check? It's all about the green.

 

[Mr. Earle]

3D is also good for business because it will urge people to get to the cinemas to "get the full experience", rather than wait for the DVD or pirate it.

 

[Hole Shot]

That's the thing though, one of their biggest motivations for demanding 3D is because HBO is trying sell a home 3D experience.

 

[Mr. Earle]

HBO will show it later though right? Just like every other movie that takes about a year to come to tv.

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

3D is also good for business because it will urge people to get to the cinemas to "get the full experience", rather than wait for the DVD or pirate it.

That's the new mentality of Hollywood. 3D, like early Cinemascope, or even IMAX, is to get people out of their homes and into theaters. Give them a unique experience so you can charge more. It's brilliant if you ask me. Nolan understands business and he also understands cinema as an art form. The IMAX release will be converted to 3D. No big deal.

HBO was showing The Dark Knight 'round the clock when it was released for the home market. Sony is going to use Spiderman 4 to sell 3D glasses-free TV's so all of this makes sense.

 

[Timstuff]

Nolan won't do 3D. Imax, however, is something that would actually have a visible payoff. 3D is already on its way out, but we haven't even had a movie shot entirely in Imax yet.

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

^ Is Nolan releasing the movie or is WB? WB will, without a doubt in my mind, release it in 3D in some capacity. Nolan has no say.

 

[Mr. Earle]

That's the new mentality of Hollywood. 3D, like early Cinemascope, or even IMAX, is to get people out of their homes and into theaters. Give them a unique experience so you can charge more. It's brilliant if you ask me. Nolan understands business and he also understands cinema as an art form. The IMAX release will be converted to 3D. No big deal.

HBO was showing The Dark Knight 'round the clock when it was released for the home market. Sony is going to use Spiderman 4 to sell 3D glasses-free TV's so all of this makes sense.

Wait, they were showing TDK when it was released in cinemas?

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

Wait, they were showing TDK when it was released in cinemas?

Home Market = DVD, Blu-ray, On-Demand, itunes, ect.

I think Magnolia films are released the same day on HDNET when it hits theaters. HBO does no such thing.

 

[Micah12345]

I'd be EXTREMELY disappointed if they converted to 3D, as my eyes have a condition where I can see pretty normally, except 3D doesn't work at all for me, I just get quadruple vision. I'd like to be there on opening night, but if it's 3D only, I can't go. Even if it isn't, the 2D version will be only on crappy smaller screens. :/

 

[KalMart]

^ Is Nolan releasing the movie or is WB? WB will, without a doubt in my mind, release it in 3D in some capacity. Nolan has no say.

He allegedly had say with Inception, but B3 may be too big for WB to resist doing it. Still...if he is adamant about it never being converted, he could just refuse to sign on to do the film. I think he'd ultimately be okay with it if he knew that the majority of releases would be regular 2D, so audiences wouldn't be forced out of seeing it the way that at least he intended.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Home Market = DVD, Blu-ray, On-Demand, itunes, ect.

I think Magnolia films are released the same day on HDNET when it hits theaters. HBO does no such thing.

Thanks! t:

 

[jmc]

Then again, we are talking about the tentpole franchises for the studio here. So if 3D really is a money-maker, it'd be very difficult to let that go for such high-ticket titles. If there's a possible opportunity for their biggest money-makers to make even more, from a business standpoint it behooves them to at least look seriously into it.


Unfortunately.

What they're forgetting is that Batman 3 is a guaranteed smash, whether it's Nolan's best or worst film, whether it's 3D or not. It will come down to pure greed, coz apparently no-one is ever satisfied with just having enough. We are a sad, sad, species sometimes.

 

[scifiwolf]

If Nolan were to walk on this next Batman, do you guys think the cast members would follow? I REALLY don't see Bale and Caine being all that motivated to do another Batman without Nolan.

 

[Gianakin_]

If Nolan were to walk on this next Batman, do you guys think the cast members would follow? I REALLY don't see Bale and Caine being all that motivated to do another Batman without Nolan.

If they're contractually obligated, they'll follow. We'll just get performances of Snipes-in-Blade-Trinity level, where he was unhappy with the movie's development and decided to not even try.

 

[jmc]

Contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on, I can attest to that. If Nolan were to walk out over 3D WB would be in for one hell of a PR nightmare, especially since people are cottoning on to the 3D scam studios are trying to pull over us nowadays, social networking platforms like Facebook and Twitter how grown ten fold since TDK, word spreads even quicker these days.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Echoing the opinions of Francis Ford Coppola and Roger Ebert, Simon Pegg took to Twitter today to voice his opinions on 3D movies. Even 3D porn was under fire: "Could you seriously *********e knowing you look like the nutty professor?"

Comics writer Mark Millar sparked Pegg's Twitter tirade, after tweeting "Please don't force Nolan to direct Batman in 3d, Warner Bros. REAL LIFE is 3D. It's not a novelty anymore."

Nolan isn't exactly a fan of 3D, having said recently that "on a technical level, it's fascinating. But on an experiential level, I find the dimness of the image extremely alienating."

After retweeting Millar's tweet on the subject, Pegg then coughed out 10 tweets on his concerns about the future of indie movies, the cinemas' restrictions on showing 3D movies, and like Ebert said, how 3D is just an excuse to charge more money.

http://gizmodo.com/5649740/simon-pegg-is-worried-about-what-3d-is-doing-to-the-movie-industry

 

[spider-neil]

you can't blame WB for wanting to do 3D as you can charge higher ticket prices in every cinema that shows the movie as apposed to only being able to charge high ticket prices purely for IMAX. then you have to take into consideration spidey and avengers will be in 3D. it's entirely possible more people will see batman but spidey and avengers ends up making more money.

do the math, it plain to see why WB would want batman in 3D. the question is, will nolan back down?

 

[RustyCage]

I haven't read all the posts in this thread just yet, but I'm having trouble fathoming in what way this could possibly hurt a Nolan film, or any film in general. A bad film is a bad film, a good film is a good film. Whether or not it's in 3D is incidental.

 

[Timstuff]

I haven't read all the posts in this thread just yet, but I'm having trouble fathoming in what way this could possibly hurt a Nolan film, or any film in general. A bad film is a bad film, a good film is a good film. Whether or not it's in 3D is incidental.

Because 3D makes movies look darker an blurrier, and if it's a post production conversion there's no reason to watch it in 3D at all since you'll barely see a difference. It's only a scam to get more money out of customers even though all it does for most movies is make them look worse. Even movies filmed in 3D can turn out looking like crap, like Resident Evil: Crapterlife.

 

[KalMart]

As long as they also released it 'unmolested' for most venues, heck they can make it 4D for all that matters.

 

[Anita18]

He allegedly had say with Inception, but B3 may be too big for WB to resist doing it. Still...if he is adamant about it never being converted, he could just refuse to sign on to do the film. I think he'd ultimately be okay with it if he knew that the majority of releases would be regular 2D, so audiences wouldn't be forced out of seeing it the way that at least he intended.

Nolan simply said they didn't have time to do the post-conversion right on Inception, so they didn't do it in the end. I imagine he might be considering it, but he's a smart guy - it'd be on a case by case basis.

And I think he's aware that a Batman film in 3-D would hurt the film more than help it, because it's Batman and thus a good chunk of the movie has to take place at night. 3-D dims the image, there's no getting around it. So would they want the film to look even darker than it already does? I don't think so....

you can't blame WB for wanting to do 3D as you can charge higher ticket prices in every cinema that shows the movie as apposed to only being able to charge high ticket prices purely for IMAX. then you have to take into consideration spidey and avengers will be in 3D. it's entirely possible more people will see batman but spidey and avengers ends up making more money.

do the math, it plain to see why WB would want batman in 3D. the question is, will nolan back down?

Right but if you notice, most of the films coming out in 3-D now are already gimmicky (seriously, Jackass 3-D?), and it's less than a year from Avatar's release. Frankly it doesn't look too good for the technique if shortly after Avatar, all the public got were weak conversions and stupid gimmicks, let alone two years from now.

If Batman 3 is in 3-D, it will be a post-conversion. Pfister has said just about as much, because the team refuses to shoot digitally. So they have time to decide whether to actually do it. Although, if they were to keep the option open, it would affect their shooting technique. Maybe if Nolan were to be sneaky, he could shoot BB3 like he did TDK and then convince the suits they couldn't do 3-D because it would make the audience dizzy.

 

[terry78]

See, I was one of the people who thought Inception would have looked tight as hell in 3D, but you have to kind of play that thing by ear. Not every movie is made for that.