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Discussion: Gay Rights

Should same-sex marriage be legalized?

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I figure what you do in the privacy of your home with who ever is your business, if my accountant is gay it don't mean the dude can't do the math. So what right do I have keeping this person from lovin' who they want.

No if it was my son....

Just playin'
 
Nothing against the two Playboy models though, right?

Not too keen on the idea of lesbians getting legally married either.
There's really no explanation beyond, don't like it, it's an old fashioned (ignorant) point of view i guess, no hate towards them, just don't like the the idea.
 
It wouldn't.
But quite honestly (this will come across as small minded i know) I just don't like the idea of men being legally married.

But women are okay? Sounds like a double standard to me.
 
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Actually, my point was that marriage is no longer sacred. Yet, when Christians try to legislate a Constitutional ban on it, they claim it is to protect the "sacntity of marriage". And I was wondering why they don't jump on celebs as well.

Because Christians, like everyone else, like to be distracted from accepting responsibility for their own problems. It's an unfortunate part of the human condition, and Christians are humans.

Divorce in the particular Christian "denomination" that I go to is not as high as the "secular" world, but the margin is only a few percent. I believe, if my memory serves me right, you could probably argue that the difference falls with the margin of error. I would wager that Christian churches as a whole have divorce rates that approximate the secular divorce rate.

But, it's so much easier to say "Gay marriage will destroy society!" than it is to say, "Why are our marriages failing?" It's easier to say "Hollywood is destroying the family" than it is to throw out your television or quit going to the movies. It's so much easier to write your congressman about Adam and Steve's desire to be married than it is to sit down with your wife, knee to knee, and commit to do whatever it takes to make your marriage work.

I feel fortunate that I attend a church that focuses on honoring God and strengthening one another--not kowtowing to the latest political/moral movement. I've been a member there for four years. Never has prayer in public schools been preached about. There have been plenty of sermons about your responsibility to educate your own children in the faith. Never has gay marriage been touched on. There have been plenty of sermons about strengthening your marriage. Never has their been an endorsement for or against a candidate for public office, although the preacher has reminded us to get out and vote. The gay marriage ban wasn't even discussed when it came up for a vote, last year.

As a Christian, I do believe that marriage is a sacred institution set forth by God. And, I believe that marriage is intended for one man and one woman. As such, I can't support the idea of "gay marriage." I see marriage as a socio-religious contract. Government sees marriage primarily as a economic and legal contract. The solution that I feel is best for our society is a "divorce" between marriage and state governments. Let governments have civil unions that any two people can get into for economic/legal reasons. Let people, then, if they want to get married, go to whoever they see fit to marry them. Priest, judge, her best friend, whatever . . .
 
You know, for all the "hate" I am glad that people are posting their honest opinions. Good or bad... well, not Celldog. Everytime I see M. Slim I roll my eyes and pass right past his post.
 
Why can't anyone just get a civil union, Two men, two women, man and woman, not have to have "god" involved at all, and shut the **** up about it? All I think is that it should be equal, the rights of Marriage and Civil unions should be completely equal. One is god, one is government, after all, right?
 
Legalize it, who gives a ****. They have all the rights in the world.

And as a Christian myself (though Pat Robertson would consider me a heathen destined to burn for my more liberal outlook), I've discussed with other, more conservative Christians why homosexuality is considered a sin, and they said it's basically a form of adultery. Well, it wouldn't be adultery if they could marry, now would they?
 
I myself am a straight, married father, but I can't stand how this issue keeps coming up in the news and politics in general.. I know some peopple preach about the sanctity of marriage and that if we allow gays to marry it will threaten the institution of marrigae. I for one, am in no way threated by two guys or two women getting married to each other. This doesn't effect my life in the least. Why is it such a big deal?? Your thoughts, please.

Same.

It's continually brought up to reinforce the incorrect idea that we are group members rather than individuals. If we treated each other socially and legally as unique individuals instead of "members of that group," all of this ridiculous class warfare and us versus them mentality would at least start to fade.
 
if you don't mind me asking, what caused you to return?

I spent a coupe of years away. I became disenfranchised with other Christians. I thought they were all crazy and zealous. I thought I was agnostic for the longest time. Started buying into crazy conspiracy theories, became literally obsessed with bands. The darkest parts of it were the pornography and the borderline atheism/evolution ideas I was starting to have. Those really put me in a place were I was so lonely and felt like there was no reason to be alive. I guess the constant pot smoking didn't help with my depression But, all the while I felt like everything was all wrong, but I just continued to live that life. I can't say why. I hated myself and everything I was doing. I was just a really angry, negative person. And then one night I just had this breakdown. I went home to my mom and cried like a little kid. It was pretty pathetic. I just told her how sick I had been acting for so long and how I hated myself and the life of sin I was living in. I honestly felt a bit like Gollum. I hated and loved myself and the life I was living. So then I went back to my place and just cried and begged for my life and for forgiveness. I knew what all those people that I learned to hate felt flowing through me. The next day I went and cut my hair which I hadn't cut in about 8 months and then talked with the pastor of my church. I just confessed how awful things had been for me. It felt really great to talk about everything. What was really cool was how my friends commented on how different I looked. My best friend said the whole air of negativity had just vanished from me and I seemed like a different person. This was about 2-3 weeks ago. Everyday is better than the next. I've never felt more alive in my whole life. I'm ready to live for the Lord. :woot:

(I realize I've turned into one of those "crazies," but I really don't care anymore.)
 
Weren't you the guy who hated metal music? I still haven't forgiven you for that if it was you. :csad:

You had the Robert Plant avvy, as well as the Pink Panther one?

Still don't like metal, my friend. :woot::woot:

That Robert Plant avvy is olllllld school!! I'm surprised you remember! I completely forgot about it. That was during my Led Zep phase.
 
Why can't anyone just get a civil union, Two men, two women, man and woman, not have to have "god" involved at all, and shut the **** up about it? All I think is that it should be equal, the rights of Marriage and Civil unions should be completely equal. One is god, one is government, after all, right?

Why not let religious institutions decide this? There are denominations which would preside over marriage ceremonies for gay couples, such as the United Church of Christ and, more recently, the Lutheran church. Unitarian Universalists support giving gays marriage rights, too. As long as religious institutions are willing to let gays marry, then there should be no reason why the government should interfere in this situation and try to pass a law which says otherwise.
 
Still don't like metal, my friend. :woot::woot:

That Robert Plant avvy is olllllld school!! I'm surprised you remember! I completely forgot about it. That was during my Led Zep phase.
Yeah, your old name on here was Stewie Griffin, wasn't it?
 
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