🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

[Drizzle]

You guys want to hear ultimate insult to injury? Inauguration Day falls on MLK day.

 

[Kane52630]

You guys want to hear ultimate insult to injury? Inauguration Day falls on MLK day.

also

 

[DarthSkywalker]

also

I always forget the movie takes play over a week. It feels longer in my head.

 

[Kane52630]

dont mind me just posting more memes to feel something.

 

[Zarex]

What do you think leftist economic policies are? They aren't about "bennies" for everyone else. They're all about benefitting everyone. We aren't talking about reparations. I'm honestly at a loss at even what you're saying.

I was referring to MTG's (the other one) posting of the Who We Serve page on the Democratic National Committee, which could be seen as exclusionary by a large % of the American voting bloc.

Hate to leave you at a loss, hope this helps. I am quite familiar with leftist economic policies such as higher taxes on the wealthy, free community college, affordable housing tax credits and subsidized health care. In fact I work in one of these areas - I should be right now, in fact - in my deep blue state, which was at the national forefront of many of these issues.

But while these are very popular bother in theory and in polls, we have seen time and time again people voting against their own economic self interests, including in yesterday's election. It's the longstanding "What's the Matter with Kansas?" dilemma, where voters become agitated by shaking the shiny keys of transexual participation in female sports and pay no never mind to mortgage down payment assistance.

The dems need both the right agenda and the right messenger and unfortunately VP Harris wasn't it.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

What is the platform for men they need to have, in your opinion? I ask this because it makes sense why you need platforms for groups whose rights are constantly being threatened. But I don't know what exactly that platform "for men" is that isn't just, you know, the platform. Because the rights of men are not in jeopardy (men here intended to denote "for being men," as opposed to for example the rights of black men being jeopardized for being black).

Employment opportunities for non-college graduates (less men are pursuing higher ed, Harris briefly touched on this)

Male healthcare coverage for condoms, b***r pills, hair loss, vasectomies

Addressing the (male) loneliness epidemic in some fashion and as well as the elephants in the room. Addressing modern men’s lack of social skills and training.

A lot of men have been conditioned by the manophere to be providers and finding or believing they aren’t measuring up.

This requires thinking like a group of people that aren’t landing with Democrats so naturally it feels somewhat unnatural to do.

 

[Spider-Fan]

dont mind me just posting more memes to feel something.

If they Republicans do this, then I absolutely think Obama being the Dems candidate in 2028 is exactly what ends up happening

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was responding to MTG's (the other one) posting of the Who We Serve page on the Democratic National Committee, which could be seen as exclusionary by a large % of the American voting bloc.

Hate to leave you at a loss, hope this helps. I am quite familiar with leftist economic policies such as higher taxes on the wealthy, free community college, affordable housing tax credits and subsidized health care. In fact I work in one of these areas - I should be right now, in fact - in my deep blue state, which was at the national forefront of many of these issues.

But while these are very popular bother in theory and in polls, we have seen time and time again people voting against their own economic self interests, including in yesterday's election. It's the longstanding "What's the Matter with Kansas?" dilemma, where voters become agitated by shaking the shiny keys of transexual participation in female sports and pay no never mind to mortgage down payment assistance.

The dems need both the right agenda and the right messenger and unfortunately VP Harris wasn't it.

I'm so confused. Do you think the Dems run on a leftist economic agenda? They don't. They refuse. The entenched part of the party won't do it. Which is why they always run back to the right closer and closer to the election. Why Harris refused to throw Joe off the train.

You can say the electorate vote against their self-interest, and they do. But they do so looking for change. Obama, while a lot of it was hot air, ran on the idea of hope and change.

People hate Obamacare because it kind of sucks. But getting rid of it is unpopular because there is nothing better. Which goes back to the Dems having the ability to make a fundamental leftist move with the ACA and then watering it down to the point they get no credit for it.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

If they Republicans do this, then I absolutely think Obama being the Dems candidate in 2028 is exactly what ends up happening

We already know their play with that, disqualify Obama based on Trump’s old lie that made him the leader of Republicans in the first place.

If not that then he’ll eliminate him Putin style. Because that is what Republicans want to be.

 

[Spider-Fan]

We already know their play with that, disqualify Obama based on Trump’s old lie that made him the leader of Republicans in the first place.

I am sure they would try. But whether it works or not is debatable considering he is a 2 time President already

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Democratic leadership also must consult Richard Reeves and other male sociologists.

Gen Z's gender divide is huge — and unexpected

Gen Z women are becoming more liberal, while Gen Z men are drifting to the right. Now, they don't agree on anything.

www.businessinsider.com

Richard Reeves: “I wrote about the virtually unnoticed new coverage of male condoms (for women) under the ACA back in Feb: Condoms are now covered by the ACA: Who knew? “

James Nation: “It was true before yesterday but certainly is now even more so: policymakers need to seriously engage with Richard's work.”

 

[Moncton]

But this doesn't hurt Republicans.

I think it's because Trump is still the attraction regardless of who else endorses him or joins him on stage.

 

[Zarex]

I'm so confused. Do you think the Dems run on a leftist economic agenda? They don't. They refuse. The entenched part of the party won't do it. Which is why they always run back to the right closer and closer to the election. Why Harris refused to throw Joe off the train.

You can say the electorate vote against their self-interest, and they do. But they do so looking for change. Obama, while a lot of it was hot air, ran on the idea of hope and change.

People hate Obamacare because it kind of sucks. But getting rid of it is unpopular because there is nothing better. Which goes back to the Dems having the ability to make a fundamental leftist move with the ACA and then watering it down to the point they get no credit for it.

I got you from "at a loss" to "so confused". Progress!

I think the Dems run on a leftish agenda, though certainly to the right of the politics practiced in my state. It's a smidge wishy washy, sure, but I don't think a politician running on bringing Massachusetts leftist economic policies, including a millionaire's tax, would gain much traction on the national level. I think Obama's insane charisma carried him back in the day moreso than popular policies, and the Dems need a standard bearer in the worst way.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Religion

I think it's because Trump is still the attraction regardless of who else endorses him or joins him on stage.

Exactly.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Trump is old and delirious as **** and most voters do not care.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I was referring to MTG's (the other one) posting of the Who We Serve page on the Democratic National Committee, which could be seen as exclusionary by a large % of the American voting bloc.

Hate to leave you at a loss, hope this helps. I am quite familiar with leftist economic policies such as higher taxes on the wealthy, free community college, affordable housing tax credits and subsidized health care. In fact I work in one of these areas - I should be right now, in fact - in my deep blue state, which was at the national forefront of many of these issues.

But while these are very popular bother in theory and in polls, we have seen time and time again people voting against their own economic self interests, including in yesterday's election. It's the longstanding "What's the Matter with Kansas?" dilemma, where voters become agitated by shaking the shiny keys of transexual participation in female sports and pay no never mind to mortgage down payment assistance.

The dems need both the right agenda and the right messenger and unfortunately VP Harris wasn't it.

I would not characterize the economy as being less important in the face of seemingly exclusionary politics. I feel like it was the number one issue. The problem is that most voters don't understand how the economy works. They think worldwide inflation is somehow purely a federal issue. They don't realize they'll foot the bill for tariffs. But they like the sound of those things because they're simple enough to get behind. And explaining the reality takes too much time and effort and understanding of basic economic principles and global structures.

Kamala, in my opinion, didn't take a strong enough stance on the economy in a way that would make the average voter feel that their day-to-day would improve. Mortgage assistance for first time homebuyers does not have the same ring to it as "my tariffs can't stop a war".

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Trump is old and delirious as **** and most voters do not care.

And Harris doesn't care about Palestinian children. That's why she lost many liberal votes to Jill Stein

 

[Moncton]

I actually think the economy factor is being overstated, the economy is better now than in the Summer when Kamala was more popular. The question is why did Kamala drop in the polls over the past two months or so. And I trace it back to her bragging about getting endorsed by Cheney and then abandoning the attack line of Trump is weird to Trump is dangerous. She went from a refreshing candidate to just another typical politician with scripted answers.

 

[blueharvest]

House battle takes center stage as Trump's party pursues full control of Washington

The high-stakes fight for the House is still unsettled. Speaker Mike Johnson and his allies projecting confidence that a Trump-led GOP will win a trifecta in Washington.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Ironfan72]

And Harris doesn't care about Palestinian children. That's why she lost many liberal votes to Jill Stein

Which is hilariuos as the guy they embraced will allow Gaza to be leveled, they literally screwed themselves over a protest vote, oh the same guy wants to deport them, so theres that as well.

 

[blueharvest]

I’ve been on the road speaking to the US right. Trump’s victory was not a surprise | Owen Jones

The voters I spent time with were energised by the president-elect’s messages. By contrast, Harris had no clear vision and no shared rage at the state of the country, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

www.theguardian.com

 

[blueharvest]

The Guardian view on the return of President Trump: a bleak day for America and the world | Editorial

Editorial: His voters knew what they were getting when they picked him over Kamala Harris. But his opponents cannot despair

www.theguardian.com

 

[kguillou]

I just wanna say, i see a lot of people saying “i’m tired of celebrities telling me how to think and what to do” and then…they go and vote for a one of the biggest celebrities of all time who only ever tells people how to think and what to do (and very aggressively) including inciting riots on our nation’s capitol so someone help me make sense of that.

 

[Mani-Man]

Which is hilariuos as the guy they embraced will allow Gaza to be leveled, they literally screwed themselves over a protest vote, oh the same guy wants to deport them, so theres that as well.

I do understand their Anger etc, but they did a shortsighted move out of spite that will bite them back.
Ignoring if the Stein votes would have changed things, trump already made his stance very clear on the issue.
Harris could maybe have been swayed, maybe was that even but had to follow Bidens lead because she is the VP.
But they decided to spite her for what? 15 performative nonsense? It will Not end the bloodshed,if anything it will make it worse.