Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party VII

[Matt]

Well, I'm a supporter of Obama, but I'm also mindful of his flaws and therefore when it comes to the presidential election in 2012, I'm going to try to weight both candidates' strengths and weaknesses before I cast my vote. I still remember the hypocrisy of those Bush supporters back when he was up for reelection, and I'd hope to be a bit more impartial in my assessment during the election.

I wish you the best of luck, but honestly, there has been no real difference between the two parties since at least 1992, so if you plan to vote for one or the other, a bit of hypocrisy is going to be involved.

The vast majority of Romney is fake. But is there anyone out there that can honestly say that the fake Romney is a worse or just as bad of a person as Newt Gingrich.

Romney is just a big phoney, but he's not really that bad of a person. Gingrich though....I typically don't like to judge people, but the man's personal and professional lapses just make me shudder.

True. Gingrich is an all around terrible human being. Romney on the other hand is just a privileged, spoiled rich kid who has been groomed for this moment his entire life which causes him to come off as fake (because he has no identity of his own but rather only that of which his father and handlers have created for him).

 

[SentinelMind]

Gingrich is easily the worst candidate to put on the ticket. Paul and Romney are far superior candidates. Gingrich will do horribly with independent women. Gingrich's baggage as a partisan in investigating Clinton and ethics violations would motivate Democrats while his baggage as being flaky for conservatives will keep some tea partiers and libertarians at home. What state would Gingrich win that the Paul and Romney wouldn't win?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Conservative publication National Review is begging conservatives to not vote for Gingrich. They also recommend dismissing Perry and Bachmann.

 

[enterthemadness]

Your dedication to Ron Paul is admirable...

When he wins Imma be like "HAHAHAHAHA" at you and Matt. Marx where do I go to register Republican?

 

[Matt]

The fact that you even need to ask that implies to me that you shouldn't be voting at all.

That being said, your county DMV or Courthouse is usually where you handle registration.

 

[enterthemadness]

Thank you...Matt. I got registered at Walmart...you know...people holding clipboards...saying they in such and such party...but this was when Obama was running. I see no hope Obama...none.

 

[SV Fan]

While Ron Paul might be involved with some racist newsletter, Obama's issues are astronomically worse:
- Despite all the talk, he continued the "War on Drugs", keeping thousands of black people in jail.
- He campaigned as being the peace candidate. He did a 180, spent hundreds of billions on undeclared wars that resulted in the deaths thousands.
- Obama went as quick as McCain to steal billions of money from the poor and middle class to give to banksters.
- He continues to enlarge the police state— mobile interrogation squads, extending the Patriot Act, etc.
- Obamacare (drafted by health insurance corporations) which forces people to sign up for insurance plans which only benefits those corporations.
- He continues to support Bernanke and the central banking cartel (Federal Reserve) that continues to transfer wealth from the poor and middle class to the super wealthy by means of inflation.

You forgot how he threw around tons of anti lobbyist rhetoric in the primaries, then when he wins the Presidency he hires a bunch of pro-lobbyists in his cabinet.

Paul vs Obama would be interesting for the simple fact that unlike Gingrich or Romney, Paul can actually call Obama out for his BS without being guilty of it himself. Paul won't win though for the simple fact the Republicans(and Big Business) would do absolutely nothing to help him and would probably try screw up his run so he doesn't win.

 

[enterthemadness]

If this were NFL...Paul would be like the Packers...and Obama would be like the Chiefs...and Romeny would be like the 49ers. Rick Santaroum would be the Colts, sorry Marx. Gary Johnson would be a UFL team.

 

[Oruku Saki]

I gotta say, Ron Paul is about the only candidate that I actually agree with on most topics. And, has anyone seen the video on youtube that showcases his consistent views since '88? Its crazy how many times he states the same cases over and over. And by the way, the media is gonna lose it when they actually have to cover him after he wins the IOWA caucuses. Of course, then they will probably just dismiss Iowa altogether like they almost did on cnn today when FINALLY talking about Ron Paul. And by the way even though their topic was Ron Paul winning Iowa, Romney and Gingrich's names came up at least 5 times each vs Paul's just at the beginning.

 

[DACrowe]

I'd actually trust Romney over Gingrich.

Well it's good to know you can trust either one. They are both notorious for changing their positions on a dime. Romney seems less arrogant, pompous and belligerent....but it takes some major cojones for Romney to discredit ANYONE as a flip-flopper or being unreliable. We're talking, large 8-pound brass spheres.

 

[DACrowe]

It is still relevant to the discussion as whoever wins will ultimately run against Obama.

I know you're baiting for an anti-Obama rant, but to pretend Obama is as slimy, duplicitous and megalomaniacal as Gingrich is nuts. Tis is a man who was run out of his own party on a rail when he was Speaker of the House, who blamed a mother murdering her children on Democrats, compared Democrats in DC to the Nazis operating Auschwitz, race baits constantly with Obama and black communities in general and says Palestinians don't exist. And that's not even getting into his personal life and blatant hypocrisy.

Think about these things before you go, "Boy, Obama's the worst...."

I'm not trying to be condescending or argumentative, but that is a ridiculous assertion.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I know you're baiting for an anti-Obama rant, but to pretend Obama is as slimy, duplicitous and megalomaniacal as Gingrich is nuts. Tis is a man who was run out of his own party on a rail when he was Speaker of the House, who blamed a mother murdering her children on Democrats, compared Democrats in DC to the Nazis operating Auschwitz, race baits constantly with Obama and black communities in general and says Palestinians don't exist. And that's not even getting into his personal life and blatant hypocrisy. Think about these things before you go, "Boy, Obama's the worst...." I'm not trying to be condescending or argumentative, but that is a ridiculous assertion.

Yeah, I'd also trust Obama more than Gingrich as well, for all the reasons you said and more.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Rasmussen polling in Iowa has Mitt Romey with 23%. Newt Gingrich is in second with 20%, Ron Paul at 18%, Rick Perry at 10%, Michelle Bachmann at 9%, Rick Santorum at 6%, and Jon Huntsman at 5%

 

[Matt]

I know you're baiting for an anti-Obama rant, but to pretend Obama is as slimy, duplicitous and megalomaniacal as Gingrich is nuts. Tis is a man who was run out of his own party on a rail when he was Speaker of the House, who blamed a mother murdering her children on Democrats, compared Democrats in DC to the Nazis operating Auschwitz, race baits constantly with Obama and black communities in general and says Palestinians don't exist. And that's not even getting into his personal life and blatant hypocrisy.

Think about these things before you go, "Boy, Obama's the worst...."

I'm not trying to be condescending or argumentative, but that is a ridiculous assertion.

I'm not saying that Obama is worse or even as bad as Gingrich. What I am saying is that Marx's, "They're both snake oil salesmen," comment holds true to the president as well. He is just as much a slimy politician as either. He may not have used the extreme tactics of Gingrich or done as morally reprehensible things, but he is just as much a slimy politician.

 

[Raiden]

If this were NFL...Paul would be like the Packers...and Obama would be like the Chiefs...and Romeny would be like the 49ers. Rick Santaroum would be the Colts, sorry Marx. Gary Johnson would be a UFL team.

I don't understand how you make these comparisons, at all.

 

[wiegeabo]

I don't understand how you make these comparisons, at all.

With complete bias.

If anything, Paul is like the Broncos. He shouldn't be doing as good as he is. But through sheer perseverance and stubbornness, and a bit of luck with opponents falling apart, he's still in contention.


The Romney/49ers one isn't bad, though.

 

[DACrowe]

I'm not saying that Obama is worse or even as bad as Gingrich. What I am saying is that Marx's, "They're both snake oil salesmen," comment holds true to the president as well. He is just as much a slimy politician as either. He may not have used the extreme tactics of Gingrich or done as morally reprehensible things, but he is just as much a slimy politician.

They're not comparable. He isn't as extreme as you say, he isn't as morally repugnant, and he doesn't do things like shutdown governments because he wanted a better seat. Saying they're equivalent is folly. Nothing more.

 

[Marx]

The thread for tonight's GOP debate in Sioux City is now up...

The 2012 Sioux City Republican Presidential Debate
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=373709

 

[hippie_hunter]

Gary Busey has withdrawn his endorsement of Newt Gingrich.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Gary Busey has withdrawn his endorsement of Newt Gingrich.

Gary Busey has also withdrawn his endorsement of beef stew, the Loch Ness Monster and the color orange.

 

[wiegeabo]

Gary Busey has also withdrawn his endorsement of beef stew, the Loch Ness Monster and the color orange.

Then **** beef stew, the Loch Ness Monster and the color orange!

If you're not good enough for Busey, you're not good enough for America!

 

[hippie_hunter]

Christine O'Donnell has endorsed Mitt Romney, Politico is reporting that South Carolina governor Nikki Haley will end up endorsing Romney as well.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Christine O'Donnell has endorsed Mitt Romney ...

Uhhh ... is Mitt allowed to turn down endorsements?

 

[SV Fan]

Uhhh ... is Mitt allowed to turn down endorsements?

I actually don't think it's that bad an endorsement. She is the first person who is associated with the "Tea Party" to endorse him. It won't send shockwaves through the political world but it at least gets the convo started for Romney from a Tea party perspective "well I guess he ain't so bad". I don't think O'Donnell herself will change anybody's mind how to vote but she basically plant the seed that somebody in the tea party doesn't mind him.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I actually don't think it's that bad an endorsement. She is the first person who is associated with the "Tea Party" to endorse him. It won't send shockwaves through the political world but it at least gets the convo started for Romney from a Tea party perspective "well I guess he ain't so bad". I don't think O'Donnell herself will change anybody's mind how to vote but she basically plant the seed that somebody in the tea party doesn't mind him.

He needs to win over the crackpots at some point. Might as well start now.