Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party VII

[hippie_hunter]

Michelle Bachman, Jon Huntsman, and Rick Santorum have failed to make it on the ballot in the Virginia primaries. The Virginia Republican Primary will consist of Mitt Romney (who gathered the most signatures, fulfilling both the required and recommended amounts), Ron Paul, Rick Perry, and Newt Gingrich (who had to scramble to fulfill the requirement).

 

[Venom'sDad]

I had no idea the economy was improving...thought it was just temp numbers going up for holidays. We'll see by the summer time...

That's exactly what it is and an inflated market...expect a market correction down in Febuary.

 

[SV Fan]

The Christian right will never be happy until we live in the equivalent of the British Empire. People like that have been around since the War of 1812.

I think the religious right are more going for the rule of the papacy during the middle ages

 

[Marx]

BREAKING NEWS: BOEHNER ANNOUNCES "DEAL REACHED" FOR 2-MONTH EXTENSION
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/22/politics/congress-payroll-tax-cut/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

So the House GOP caved? If they're smart, they'll just cut a deal on extending the payroll tax into 2013 their first week back after the New Year. The sooner they get off this issue that has highlighted their hypocrisy and made their cynical partisan obstructionist games fall apart, the sooner it will be not a central issue in an election year.

Very interesting.

Their posturing pretty much blew up in their faces...

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think the religious right are more going for the rule of the papacy during the middle ages

Most of them hate Catholics too.

 

[Matt]

Their posturing pretty much blew up in their faces...

Debt ceiling 2.0. Like fools they overplayed their hand until it bit 'em right in the ass.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Their posturing pretty much blew up in their faces...

I really wouldn't say that it blew up in their faces just quite yet. They had to agree to the two month extension because neither side could risk having taxes go up on the middle class. And in the end, the Republicans made Obama look rather petty with his bizarre countdown in his press conference room, made Obama reject something that would create jobs, and once again forced the Democrats to drop raising taxes on the wealthy.

Where it's really going to boil down to is beyond the two month extension. The quicker it is, the better it will be for the Republicans, the longer, the better it will be for the Democrats.

 

[SentinelMind]

So we're going to have same discussion in two months. That's dumb and that isn't leadership.

 

[Marx]

Leadership means compromise and putting the country before yourselves. This congress seems to have a major problem with that.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

 

[8wid]

Ron Paul Walks Off CNN interview

CNN Hit Piece: Ron Paul Is A Racist! (Nice Fair & Balanced News)

 

[Matt]

That doesn't make him look childish or anything, does it?

He calls for government accountability, yet he shows none. His name was on it, he published it, he profited off of it....but its okay because he "disavowed it." If he cannot read a newsletter that he signs his name to, how can I trust him to be accountable in the White House? Will his excuse for signing bad legislation be, "I didn't read it and I disavow it,"?

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Honestly, this newsletter stuff is so obviously The Smear that is designed to discredit Ron Paul that I can't hack people who are fixated on it. Even if it's true, whatever. How does this apply to today's current issues?

I mean, you want to talk about racism? How about the fact that there are more African-Americans in prison now then there were slaves just before the Civil War? Let's talk about what's happening in the world right now, not some stupid newsletter from 20 years ago.

 

[Superman]

Leadership means compromise and putting the country before yourselves. This congress seems to have a major problem with that.

True but I think it's the "Tea Party" that is leading the pack when it comes to not compromising and putting the country first.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

True but I think it's the "Tea Party" that is leading the pack when it comes to not compromising and putting the country first.

Can we stop pretending there is an entity called "The Tea Party" and just acknowledge that it's the same old Republican base with a shiny new coat of paint?

 

[Matt]

Honestly, this newsletter stuff is so obviously The Smear that is designed to discredit Ron Paul that I can't hack people who are fixated on it. Even if it's true, whatever. How does this apply to today's current issues?

I mean, you want to talk about racism? How about the fact that there are more African-Americans in prison now then there were slaves just before the Civil War? Let's talk about what's happening in the world right now, not some stupid newsletter from 20 years ago.

I personally don't want a racist old loon representing our country. But let's forget the African American stuff. President Paul would not have the ability to overturn the Civil Rights Act or lock up 95 % of African Americans (no matter how much he may or may not believe they are criminals). What he would have the power to do is shape foreign policy from top to bottom. Some of the things that the newsletter (and even Paul himself) has said about Israel (one of closest allies) is scary. I agree that Israel has taken advantage of our friendship, but we still need them and should continue to support them. With that in mind, Paul definitely has some 'splainin' to do.

 

[Crazy Quilt]

I mean, you want to talk about racism? How about the fact that there are more African-Americans in prison now then there were slaves just before the Civil War?

This is why they insist on keeping up the War on Drugs despite how everyone knows it's been a miserable failure and that we need a change of course that is more sensible, treating addicts of hard drugs like the sick people they are(not criminals), recognizing the basic common sense fact that marijuana is no worse than alcohol or tobacco and save a TON of money by doing so. The prison-industrial complex and the War on Drugs that keeps it packed with black males is the modern continuation of slavery, sharecropping/tenant farming, Jim Crow etc.

Honestly, the way the government and their business masters has been screwing the lower classes economically over the last 40 years, I guess it was better for them that a large chunk of the underclass has been locked up.

 

[Superman]

Honestly, this newsletter stuff is so obviously The Smear that is designed to discredit Ron Paul that I can't hack people who are fixated on it. Even if it's true, whatever. How does this apply to today's current issues?

I mean, you want to talk about racism? How about the fact that there are more African-Americans in prison now then there were slaves just before the Civil War? Let's talk about what's happening in the world right now, not some stupid newsletter from 20 years ago.

So the fact that he's lying about what happened 20 years ago means nothing? He was so proud of his involvement with that newsletter 20 years ago but now that it's going to hurt him it's "Oh I had nothing to do with it". Bulls***, He knew what he was doing when he put it out and now he's going to pay for it.

And lets stop with the BS strawman argument about racism in America, We all know that there is racism in America, You just have to look at how Obama has been treated over the last 3 years to know that, But that has nothing to do with whether or not Paul wrote racist newsletters. It's just a tactic to try to changed the subject.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

I personally don't want a racist old loon representing our country. But let's forget the African American stuff. President Paul would not have the ability to overturn the Civil Rights Act or lock up 95 % of African Americans (no matter how much he may or may not believe they are criminals).

I'm glad you said this. Most of the time people talk about the Civil Rights Act and Ron Paul, I always have to point out, "so what, he's just going to overturn the CRA and everybody will be fine with that?"

What he would have the power to do is shape foreign policy from top to bottom. Some of the things that the newsletter (and even Paul himself) has said about Israel (one of closest allies) is scary. I agree that Israel has taken advantage of our friendship, but we still need them and should continue to support them. With that in mind, Paul definitely has some 'splainin' to do.

Israel is an apartheid state. The U.S. has engendered the hostility of most of the world by refusing to criticize Israel for even the most egregious violations of human rights. Why does the U.S. need them? Other than as a proxy for U.S. military power in the Middle East, I mean.

So the fact that he's lying about what happened 20 years ago means nothing? He was so proud of his involvement with that newsletter 20 years ago but now that it's going to hurt him it's "Oh I had nothing to do with it". Bulls***, He knew what he was doing when he put it out and now he's going to pay for it.

And lets stop with the BS strawman argument about racism in America, We all know that there is racism in America, You just have to look at how Obama has been treated over the last 3 years to know that, But that has nothing to do with whether or not Paul wrote racist newsletters. It's just a tactic to try to changed the subject.

Maybe. But let me ask another question. What do these newletters have to do with how Ron Paul would govern the country? That's the only question that really matters here.

Obama has been the victim of racism, no doubt, but he's also perpetuated it. He's done nothing for African-Americans but give patronizing speeches, like his Father's Day speech where he lectured black men for being lousy fathers. What an Uncle Tom.

 

[SV Fan]

Israel is an apartheid state. The U.S. has engendered the hostility of most of the world by refusing to criticize Israel for even the most egregious violations of human rights. Why does the U.S. need them? Other than as a proxy for U.S. military power in the Middle East, I mean.

I have to agree, the Israel lobby has way to much say in US politics. it would be nice for any politician stand up and tell them where to shove their money.

 

[Crazy Quilt]

Israel is an apartheid state. The U.S. has engendered the hostility of most of the world by refusing to criticize Israel for even the most egregious violations of human rights. Why does the U.S. need them? Other than as a proxy for U.S. military power in the Middle East, I mean.

Prior to the creation of Israel most Rabbis did not support establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. Many thought the Talmud forbid it. Israel uses a religious veneer, however, Zionism is a secular ethno-nationalist ideology based mainly around Ashkenazi Jews. The original architects of the Zionist movement did not intend for the state of Israel to be a state for or of Sephardim/Mizrahi(Middle Eastern) Jews. They saw themselves as establishing a Western, European-style country in the Middle East for European Jews.

I've actually read some very informative essays on the topic by Jewish professors and scholars from here in the U.S., that point out how it was a movement solely of the European Jewry, the Sephardim for the most part did not want to make aliyah to Israel(they were forced into that situation after the Arab-Israeli war and possible Mossad instigations in Arab countries like Iraq meant to frighten Jews living there), the Sephardim were only wanted in Israel when the Zionist Ashkenazi immigrants figured out that not enough European Jews were going to come in order to form a Jewish majority in Israel and they wanted cheap labor from them.

Even up to modern times Ashkenazi Jews are in a better socioeconomic position than Middle Eastern Jews, it's almost like the inherent disadvantages in education & opportunity you see with minorities here in the United States. The original Zionists saw the Middle Eastern Jews as backward, orientalized peoples not much better than Muslim & Christian Arabs. There are some very, very racist quotes about them from Theodor Herzl, David Ben-Gurion and Golda Meir.

 

[wiegeabo]

I'm glad you said this. Most of the time people talk about the Civil Rights Act and Ron Paul, I always have to point out, "so what, he's just going to overturn the CRA and everybody will be fine with that?"

A lot of people think the President has much more power than the position holds, or at least is supposed to hold.

 

[Superman]

I'm glad you said this. Most of the time people talk about the Civil Rights Act and Ron Paul, I always have to point out, "so what, he's just going to overturn the CRA and everybody will be fine with that?"



Israel is an apartheid state. The U.S. has engendered the hostility of most of the world by refusing to criticize Israel for even the most egregious violations of human rights. Why does the U.S. need them? Other than as a proxy for U.S. military power in the Middle East, I mean.



Maybe. But let me ask another question. What do these newletters have to do with how Ron Paul would govern the country? That's the only question that really matters here.

Obama has been the victim of racism, no doubt, but he's also perpetuated it. He's done nothing for African-Americans but give patronizing speeches, like his Father's Day speech where he lectured black men for being lousy fathers. What an Uncle Tom.

The newsletters give a good example of how he would govern people of different races should he become President. I think that's a very valid question to ask him and the fact that he would rather ignore that question or lie about what he did shows that he's got a problem with people who are not white and that he would not govern them with the same respect.

That's a big problem in my book.

 

[8wid]

That doesn't make him look childish or anything, does it?

He calls for government accountability, yet he shows none. His name was on it, he published it, he profited off of it....but its okay because he "disavowed it." If he cannot read a newsletter that he signs his name to, how can I trust him to be accountable in the White House? Will his excuse for signing bad legislation be, "I didn't read it and I disavow it,"?

This was two decades ago though... surely he has improved on that...

 

[8wid]

Can we stop pretending there is an entity called "The Tea Party" and just acknowledge that it's the same old Republican base with a shiny new coat of paint?