Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party XI

[Thundercrack85]

Attacking birth control was a terrible move, that really doesn't help attract anyone, but the most fringe religious groups.

It would have been one thing if they had stopped at health coverage, but then they went and came out against birth control period.

 

[Slushy]

Santorum dropping out is the best news I've heard all day!

Running mate choices:

Marco Rubio - The popular choice and hero to the Tea Party.

Bobby Jindal - My favorite choice and he would help Romney win over Southern states.

Chris Christie - Another talked about choice, but like Santorum, has anger issues.

Rand Paul - It may not be Paul, but I think this would be a good consolation prize.

Paul Ryan - Has a good look to him and would cater to younger voters.

Susanna Martinez - Romney hits two birds with one stone in her getting female and more latino voters for him.

 

[Paradoxium]

We should change the poll to VP picks now.

 

[SV Fan]

Attacking birth control was a terrible move, that really doesn't help attract anyone, but the most fringe religious groups.

It would have been one thing if they had stopped at health coverage, but then they went and came out against birth control period.

Well from my understanding they wanted to let the market decide was there main issue but they got suckered into "why should I pay for somebody to have sex" debates when that never was the issue.

Thing I get a good chuckle is now the republicans are crying how it's not patriotic to say somebody is declaring a war on something, when that has been the MO for year(painting the other side as evil people who are attacking your rights)

 

[Thundercrack85]

Running mate choices:

Marco Rubio - The popular choice and hero to the Tea Party.

Bobby Jindal - My favorite choice and he would help Romney win over Southern states.

Chris Christie - Another talked about choice, but like Santorum, has anger issues.

Rand Paul - It may not be Paul, but I think this would be a good consolation prize.

Paul Ryan - Has a good look to him and would cater to younger voters.

Susanna Martinez - Romney hits two birds with one stone in her getting female and more latino voters for him.

Most of those will be waiting for 2016.

 

[Paradoxium]

A Princeton History Prof agrees

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/09/opinion/zelizer-romney-vice-president/index.html

Boring is the way to go.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Don't forget Rush Limbaugh. I personally think alot of Republicans look bad for not speaking up. They easily could have came out about Birth Control and say hey I think it should be covered for medical purposes if needed, I am for that but not recreational use. Then they come out looking at least logical about it, but the way they talked about it made it seem like they had 0 clue of other uses of birth control. if they had problems for forcing companies to cover it then at least explain it beyond "why should I pay for somebody else to have sex"

Agreed 100%

I also thinking coming out and attacking Planned Parenthood will lose then a few votes.

Planned Parenthood has too much of a tainted reputation to affect too many votes IMO.

As I said McDonnell in his time as Virginia Governor has gotten his hands dirty trying to pass some extreme bills that seem to be attacking women, that I think it makes him getting picked a huge negative.

McDonnell made some extreme bills more palatable as opposed to the extreme bills that the Virginia legislature tried to pass.

 

[Paradoxium]

Why Rob Portman Will Be Romney's Vice Presidential Nominee

 

[Slushy]

I'd excited be if I knew who Rob Portman was.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'd excited be if I knew who Rob Portman was.

An unremarkable senator from Ohio. The Republican answer to rice cakes apparently.

 

[Paradoxium]

My rule of boring has not failed. If Z-Paw didn't drop out he could have been the legit anti-Romney. He is the most boring candidate outside of Romney. He expressed regret dropping out early, and many in the right pointed this out after the fact. My rule of boring was not from hindsight, but months before.

Of all the four republicans Romney was the most boring. This is why he will win now. By this virtue the most boring VP candidate possible is the most likely one.

 

[8wid]

I would support a Romney/Paul ticket instead of what Obama wanted. At least he would be at cabinet meetings and have a chance to make a difference in US fiscal policy still. I know a Ron Paul presidency is never going to happen even if he is the smartest of all the candidates.

 

[Paradoxium]

Ooops I misread intrade.

The actual rankings

1. Rubio
2. Portman
3. Christie
4. McDonnell
5. Ryan

He went up 33% today. That's why the ranking order was off, I didn't pay attention to the percentage.

 

[Marx]

I doubt Rubio would risk his political career by joining a losing Romney ticket.

 

[NY1981]

Why is it when I read things about Romney it always seems to be along the lines of "he needs to win over southern voters". I mean seriously it'll be a cold day in hell if I see states like Alabama, Mississippi, or South Carolina turn blue. So where does this idea come from?

I read something the other day that pretty much had it spelled out perfectly....Obama's path to 270 is going to be a lot easier and more diverse than Romney's. The way its sitting now Obama has something like 230 electoral votes pretty much in the bag whereas Romney is sitting around 170-180ish. Romney is going to have turn at least a couple states that went blue last election into red. His easiest ones will probably be Indiana, Virginia, and North Carolina. Then he still is going to need to flip a couple bigger states like Florida, Ohio, or Pennsylvania. Definitely not going to be easy for him and anyone who thinks Romney has it in the bag is kidding themselves. Unless there is another economic catastrophe soon this election is basically Obama's to lose and I don't like him one bit.

 

[Marx]

...when it comes to Romney vs. Obama in a general election, the south WILL support the republican candidate. (With a few rare exceptions.)

 

[SV Fan]

Why is it when I read things about Romney it always seems to be along the lines of "he needs to win over southern voters". I mean seriously it'll be a cold day in hell if I see states like Alabama, Mississippi, or South Carolina turn blue. So where does this idea come from?

I think "Southern Voters" is code for christian conservatives. While he won't need those in places like Alabama, Mississippi, etc. He might need the Christian Conservative support more in swing states and then there are ways that goes beyond giving one vote(basically donating to his campaign, going out and trying to drum up support for him, etc).

If you can get the christian conservative base disenfranchised it will hurt in some ways. It can basically be the difference for Florida for instance. Basically if you completely ignore that base when picking a running mate or with your campaign platform, you can expect a disenfranchised group of voters who a small group might not even show up(which can be a difference in some house and senate seats races)

 

[8wid]

Even with the South supporting Romney when he officially becomes the GOP nominee, he will still lose by a slim margin of no more than 10%, although it's more like 5%. Too many voters are still angry and distrustful towards the Republicans to give them another chance in the White House. Despite lame duck Obama, there hasn't been reason to be angry enough to remove him from office either like for example Jimmy Carter for example.

The US unemployment rate is going to level out in about 2016 according to the White House to the average level of 5%, they're may be a much better chance then once the Neo Con candidates start to retire and die off more. This will be about the time all of the US and NATO forces should be removed from Afghanistan, so the war mongering done by conservatives should be at an all time low again.

 

[Slushy]

Why is it when I read things about Romney it always seems to be along the lines of "he needs to win over southern voters". I mean seriously it'll be a cold day in hell if I see states like Alabama, Mississippi, or South Carolina turn blue. So where does this idea come from?

Its a reference to Southern GOP voters who don't support Romney because he's a Morderate and Mormon and would rather go for Newt Gingrich.



When Romney is officially the Nominee, the Republicans need to drop their bickering and rally together otherwise Obama has already won re-election.

 

[Matt]

Its a reference to Southern GOP voters who don't support Romney because he's a Morderate and Mormon and would rather go for Newt Gingrich.



When Romney is officially the Nominee, the Republicans need to drop their bickering and rally together otherwise Obama has already won re-election.

They will. Just like the Clinton supporters ultimately backed Obama.

And turnout really doesn't matter all that much as the Southern states where this will be a problem are going to be dark red anyway, even if a few hundred thousand Republican voters sit at home.

 

[bell110]

I really wanted to see Santorum lose Pennsylvania. Oh well. I hope the potential Santorum voters in the remaining states vote for Gingrich now.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Too many voters are still angry and distrustful towards the Republicans to give them another chance in the White House.

Yes, because voters were so angry and distrustful of them back in 2010

The US unemployment rate is going to level out in about 2016 according to the White House to the average level of 5%,

If there is one thing the White House has been bad at, it's their numbers. Their numbers have always been consistently off.

 

[DACrowe]

So, I stayed out of here today. Why? Because Romney being the nominee was news....back in December.

Still, tomorrow the general starts. The independents may not care until August, but the campaigns are going to be heading into full swing. I guess Romney can start shaking his etch-a-sketch at this point.

 

[DACrowe]

Yes, because voters were so angry and distrustful of them back in 2010

You know as well as I that the voting demographic for a presidential election is going to be very different than one for a midterm election, particularly a midterm driven by the anger of a specific voting bloc. Also, since then Republicans in Congress have helped drive it to its lowest approval rating in generations. However, Obama won't be running against Boehner. Obama is running against Romney. Still, to pretend its the same dynamics as 2010 is very selective, I think.

 

[wiegeabo]

So, I stayed out of her today..

That made me laugh.