Discussions on the SM3 Ending **Spoilers** [Merged]

[Mr Jide]

WTF how do you kill Sandman.

With a water pistol. I prefer the super soaker 5000 myself.

 

[Odametal]

If you pee on Sandman, you're hurting him or just being rude and make him mad?

 

[Mr. Socko]

sandman is a sympathetic villian and has a family that is poor and has an ailing daughter so it makes sense if you think about it.

Sympathetic? Not that type of villian. I want a badass Sandman who will kill any mother****er who gets in his way.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Sympathetic? Not that type of villian. I want a badass Sandman who will kill any mother****er who gets in his way.

well the comic book sandman is not sympathetic but movie sandman is.

 

[GuesssWho]

That sort of thing happens, yeah. Happened with Ock, although I didn't mind. He was cool that way.
But Sandman ought to be a thug.

 

[Venom 1988]

well the comic book sandman is not sympathetic but movie sandman is.

Yea he is, just not that much though.

 

[Warhammer]

Raimi and Tobey love the Sandman.
He was never going to be a cheap thug.

The more background, the better.

 

[Eggyman]

Raimi and Tobey love the Sandman.
He was never going to be a cheap thug.

The more background, the better.

Well said mr hammer, sandman deserves history and context as much as the next villain -- it was obvious from the last 2 films that it is all about CHARACTER and not just cheap thrills.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well said mr hammer, sandman deserves history and context as much as the next villain -- it was obvious from the last 2 films that it is all about CHARACTER and not just cheap thrills.

you stole what I was thinking....j/k t: but seriously sandman isn't someone who is fighting in ever scene, he has story as well that lead up to action scenes. the spidey movies aren't even all about action scenes so if anybody wants to see the spidey movies just for the action then don't watch them because thats not what it's all about. you have the romantic and storytelling scenes but then an action scene comes into play which is a real enjoyable experiance.

 

[CrashNburn]

i'm pretty sure people will watch the movie whether it's for the action or the story..but dont quote me on that cause the movie only made a bizillion dollars if there is such an amount.

 

[Eggyman]

i'm pretty sure people will watch the movie whether it's for the action or the story..but dont quote me on that cause the movie only made a bizillion dollars if there is such an amount.

I believe there is such an amount -- but the movie made 2.8 bizillion dollars and 59 cents actually

 

[kooguy911]

id be fine with this ending if it were real, but i just wonder 'what happens to sandman? How does he fit into this?'

I dont believe this by the way.

 

[kooguy911]

it was obvious from the last 2 films that it is all about CHARACTER and not just cheap thrills.

go watch Fantastic Four for cheap thrills. Yeah, i just said it. What are you gonna do about it?

 

[Eggyman]

go watch Fantastic Four for cheap thrills. Yeah, i just said it. What are you gonna do about it?

LOL nothin at all, you hit it right on the money.

 

[Naite22]

^ This is EXACTLY what people should see, and WHY the spider-man flicks really are quite remarkable! It aint about cheap thrills, AT ALL! That beeing said, I love Batman Begins, I LOVE Superman Returns. I like the X-Men (first two, anyway!)... But seriously, NOTHING comes close to be as stylish nor thrilling as the spider-man movie's! This is coming straight from the heart (and may I point out that I never read ONE SINGLE spidey comic book, before seeing the first film!). The family behind the spider-man flicks; The actor's, the writers, the producers, not to mention THE man, who's vision the films are based on. Yes, you guessed it, mr. Sam Raimi!!! They truely are doing the BEST work ever done on any superhero franchise! No superhero franchise comes close to be as cool, EXITING and BREATHTAKING as the spider-man flicks (spidey 2, in particular!)

Howcome Spidey 2 was the most expensive film ever!? Howcome the step they took from the first film to the second was SOOO gigantic!? Becuase the first film (despite of some few BAD cg sequences) was a MONSTER hit! Not just because it was labelled "spider-man", but because the film was really GREAT! It had an exstremely good story to back it up (like ripped out of the comics). The origin of spider-man was so beautifully done! The film, just like the second are filled with so much LOVE and respect for the character(s)! They are charming and so exillirating! They reach out to a very large group of people. Pracktickly all can watch them, because there's something for practickly every one!

What's so amazing with these films are how they make the spectacular action come OUT OF THE STORY! And the action pieces alone are without a doubt the most B-E-A-utiful action sequences ever created! I've said this so many times. The action sets in LOTR's can't even follow. Sure, it's more massive looking at it from far away! But I tell ya, they dont get my heart pounding with exitement, nor giving me that same HOLY-****ING-CHRIST-factor that the action in spider-man 2 delievers! Not by a landslide!

The spider-man franchise is the ONLY superhero franchise -in all of movie history!- which has the EXACT same crew behind all three movie's! Think about it! Not one single superhero franchise besides spider-man has kept all three films in "the family". They've always changed director's, actors, or what ever. Another thing that is so incredible about the spider-man films! In that way, they really do stand out.

Spider-man 1 and 2 rocked so bad!!! They stand stronger with each film; having MORE MONEY every time! Why?! Because they deserve it, and because these are films people wanna see! It's the best selling superhero franchise EVER!

People ask me all the time, "aren't you afraid that spidey 3 won't deliever!?"... Why should I be!? Again, the last two films were so great, and spidey 3 has the EXACT same people behind it! What is there to be afraid of? They've only dazzled me with beauty, thus far! I could understand people's worries about X3, seeing how it was Brett Ratner who directed it (the man behind Rush Hour, lol!!!). What happened!.. they changed director and the franchise went to total ****! Spider-man differs from all others because there's NO CHANGES in any departments; it's the same people all around. Only this time they have even MORE money and (from the looks of it) an even BETTER story to back it up with. AFRAID? haha, couldn't be any more calm. SPIDER-MAN 3 will shock the world!!!

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

http://www.filmick.co.uk/2007/02/venom-rears-his-ugly-head.html

Here's the latest on Spider-Man 3, and as usual, this contains a fair amount of spoilers. Confirmed spoilers, at that, coming from one source near the production and verified with at least two more. Just about the entire film has been discussed here at film ick at some time or another, so by clicking on Spider-man in the tags at the bottom of this post you should be able to find an answer for just about any Spider-Man 3 question you have.

Here, though, are a few more interesting bits and pieces, including some shocking Venom business and even a little tiny bit about Carnage. Enjoy.

What role does Dr. Connors have this time?

It's in his class that Peter and Gwen Stacey are first brought together. Later, he takes a look at Peter's black costume and this is when we see lots of his lizardy research material around the lab - not so much a set-up for part 4 as an injoke for the fans.

Who gets the job at the Bugle that Peter and Eddie Brock are competing for?

Peter proves that Eddie has been doctoring photos of Spider-Man and as a result, Eddie gets fired. This is during Peter's black-suit phase.

Does Peter dump a load of water on the Sandman to beat him in the final battle?

Spoiler

No - Sandman gets washed away in a much earlier fight, shortly after the symbiote has attached itself to Peter. Sandman actually stands down in the final battle.

Who lives, who dies?

Spoiler

Well, there's a lot of misinformation about this, even close to the production, but I can now confirm that Sandman, Aunt May, Mary Jane and Gwen all live, while Eddie Brock and Harry die. The symbiote survives too, an alien parasite all alone, left looking for a new host. Surely this leaves the Spider-Man team cornered? Surely this means Carnage must appear in a future film?

When does Venom first rear his ugly head?

The symbiote is hanging around Central Park, but as for Venom, the recognisbale alien face with all the scary, jagged teeth? Believe it or not, Venom first rears his ugly head when Peter and his Russian landlord get into an argument about rent. That poor Russian guy.

Why does Harry have a change of heart?

Spoiler

Well, at first, he certainly doesn't have a change of heart. Very early on, he has a big fight with Peter - much detailed previously on film ick - and Peter takes a few good knocks before putting Harry down. When Harry comes around, he doesn't have much memory of what has been going on, or of his bitter history with Peter. It all starts coming back to him later, however, when Mary Jane and Peter have a black suit-fuelled tiff and she comes running to Harry for comfort. Harry now hits upon the idea of exploiting his Green Goblin alter ego to approach Mary Jane and manipulate her.

It's Spider-Man's actions in the final battle, risking his life to save Gwen and Mary Jane, that seem to bring Harry round. He gets in the way of one of Venom's attacks to save Peter, and this ends up being the ultimate sacrifice.

So what's the deal with The Sandman?

He's got a criminal history, and yes, it's true, he's the one who killed Ben Parker. He has a wife and a daughter, and the young girl is very ill. Much of the motivation behind the Sandman's actions, right from his very first appearance - and particularly his attempted Armored Truck heist - stem from his daughter's illness and the need to pay for medical treatment. I could get very political about this, but I won't.

Thomas Haden Church is truly superb in the role.

Any criticisms?

There are a few neat coincidences, but most of them aren't too off-putting. The two most notable, I suppose are Gwen Stacey being Peter's study partner and the daughter of police head honcho Captain George Stacey - this makes for some convenient plotting - and Peter's arrival at the Church just when he wishes to get rid of the symbiote, the Church being the very place that this will be possible. Of course, Brock is there too, so that whole sequence might come off as far too convenient. Deus ex machina, sure, but perhaps it's part and parcel of the Spider-Man style.

On the other hand, the film has a lot of depth, takes itself just seriously enough and delivers on the slam-bang action everybody has been hoping for.

 

[Mr Jide]

^ This is EXACTLY what people should see, and WHY the spider-man flicks really are quite remarkable! It aint about cheap thrills, AT ALL! That beeing said, I love Batman Begins, I LOVE Superman Returns. I like the X-Men (first two, anyway!)... But seriously, NOTHING comes close to be as stylish nor thrilling as the spider-man movie's! This is coming straight from the heart (and may I point out that I never read ONE SINGLE spidey comic book, before seeing the first film!).

See, thats where you probably dont understand why people have huge complaints. There are those who have been reading spidey comics for decades and have a profound understanding of the mythos, so its easy to point out factors that may be considered wrong, pointless and stupid. I've been reading spidey comics since the age of 2 so, that means I've been reading spider-man for a solid 20 years and I think I have a good idea of what could translate well from the comics to the cinema screen.
However, those such as yourself who have never read a spidey comic prior to seeing the 1st movie wouldn't know any better. You have nothing to compare and contrast it to. To you, your just seeing a decent comic book movie but to me, I'm seeing a dissapointing, stiff, sugar-coated piece of mediocre meh with a few good qualities that fail to save the movie from this fan's pov.

 

[The Joker]

http://www.filmick.co.uk/2007/02/venom-rears-his-ugly-head.html

Sounds good to me

Though, there's nothing there we didn't already know. But, it's nice to see it re-affirmed.

 

[Mr Jide]

http://www.filmick.co.uk/2007/02/venom-rears-his-ugly-head.html

Great stuff. So, its confirmed that

Spoiler

sandman DID kill uncle ben.

 

[Spiderine]

Sympathetic? Not that type of villian. I want a badass Sandman who will kill any mother****er who gets in his way.

In some aspect he may do just that, the police body count will sure to rise.

 

[November Rain]

I'd rather him get slammed into the river and his fate left unknown like Ock.

ock's dead dammit.....

 

[Mr Jide]

In some aspect he may do just that, the police body count will sure to rise.

Well, he gets stopped by the tears of a little girl (his daughter ) so he cant be all that bad.

 

[Naite22]

See, thats where you probably dont understand why people have huge complaints. There are those who have been reading spidey comics for decades and have a profound understanding of the mythos, so its easy to point out factors that may be considered wrong, pointless and stupid. I've been reading spidey comics since the age of 2 so, that means I've been reading spider-man for a solid 20 years and I think I have a good idea of what could translate well from the comics to the cinema screen.
However, those such as yourself who have never read a spidey comic prior to seeing the 1st movie wouldn't know any better. You have nothing to compare and contrast it to. To you, your just seeing a decent comic book movie but to me, I'm seeing a dissapointing, stiff, sugar-coated piece of mediocre meh with a few good qualities that fail to save the movie from this fan's pov.

so you're saying that you are dissapointed in both spidey flicks thus far... Bummer!

 

[Odametal]

See, thats where you probably dont understand why people have huge complaints. There are those who have been reading spidey comics for decades and have a profound understanding of the mythos, so its easy to point out factors that may be considered wrong, pointless and stupid. I've been reading spidey comics since the age of 2 so, that means I've been reading spider-man for a solid 20 years and I think I have a good idea of what could translate well from the comics to the cinema screen.
However, those such as yourself who have never read a spidey comic prior to seeing the 1st movie wouldn't know any better. You have nothing to compare and contrast it to. To you, your just seeing a decent comic book movie but to me, I'm seeing a dissapointing, stiff, sugar-coated piece of mediocre meh with a few good qualities that fail to save the movie from this fan's pov.

What a cry baby...

 

[Mr Jide]

How am I crying?
I'm just stating my dissapointment with the 2 films