Disney in talks to buy Fox: X-Men Homecoming? - Part 3

[Leo Zelinsky]

Why not use the High Evolutionary as a means of developing/unlocking mutant gene codes?

idk dont really want Mutants being created by a being unless it's the one above all or something

 

[Havok83]

Why not use the High Evolutionary as a means of developing/unlocking mutant gene codes?

He could even be used as major villain after the near end of earth due to Thanos. Evolving humans to deal with powerful cosmic beings like Thanos.

Uneccessary. They already have a perfect plot device to introduce mutants via the Infinity Gauntlet in Avengers 4. Its a story already happening in the MCU and the aftermath of it can linger on and play out in Phase 4, which ushers in a new MCU populated by a growing mutant presence. It wouldnt be that difficult to implement

 

[Spider-Fan]

Why do we need ANYTHING to implement mutants? Just say they exist, problem solved. Gauntlets, wiping reality, mind warps, etc. All this is too complicated and can just be simplified by saying they have always been there but only a small number.

 

[Random490]

Why do we need ANYTHING to implement mutants? Just say they exist, problem solved. Gauntlets, wiping reality, mind warps, etc. All this is too complicated and can just be simplified by saying they have always been there but only a small number.

Exactly. It's like being back in phase one saying "Oh they never mentioned Inhumans so therefore they don't exist" or "Oh they've never mentioned Skrulls so they can't have them in the 90's without some complicated reality altering thing. Just they've been around but most people never knew. With mutants you can even point out that they may have been found a few times but no one understood the real cause of their mutation.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Exactly. It's like being back in phase one saying "Oh they never mentioned Inhumans so therefore they don't exist" or "Oh they've never mentioned Skrulls so they can't have them in the 90's without some complicated reality altering thing. Just they've been around but most people never knew. With mutants you can even point out that they may have been found a few times but no one understood the real cause of their mutation.

Thank you! Enter a guy like Sinister who can then explain the rise of mutants to the audience.

People are making this so unnecessarily complicated.

 

[Limonade]

Its hardly the first time it has happened, in the old days when the Mutant population was generally shown as being small there was stuff like the Mutant Massacre. As the population has been written as larger and larger they have done bigger destructions of the Mutant population, the Legacy Virus, and the sentinel attack on Genosha all came before Wanda had her go.

Ahhh... this is why I love this forum!

 

[ADollarADay]

I'm a HUGE X-Men fan. My favorite group of superhero characters growing up by a good country mile. Wolverine is my Top 3 favorite super heroes ever,
probably number 1. I enjoy the premise of the Inhumans. I enjoy that their history is completely different than the X-Men.

I also understand why they needed to push it and go away from the core inhuman aspect to make it more x-men like due to the horrible X-Men licensing deal they had. This, however, is now a thing of the past. They can focus on rebooting the inhumans and x-men. I would like the royal family getting a proper depiction on the big screen as well. Plus Black Bolt is part of the Illuminati and you know that's coming.

Yep, you're right. I love brand, but when I saw that first picture of the royal family, I got a bad feeling about it.

AOS wasn't nearly as bad though. Making Daisy Johnson/Quake into an Inhuman was fine. Some of the other things they did, not so much.

You give Scott Buck anything and he'll mess it up. Marvel needs to make the Inhumans TV show non cannon.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I can't understand what the hell Marvel's editors were thinking when they decimated the mutants. Why?

That's easy. writers were getting lazy with their origin stories. Mutants were popular and an easy way to explain powers. So every new costumed hero was a mutant. There were no radioactive spiders anymore, no gamma ray bombs, no enchanted uru canes... just that x factor in their genes.

and that got boring very fast. there was no creativity left in the genre, the X-Men killed that. it also lead to approximately a billion of mutant superheroes, distinguishable only through their powers. decimating them was the right idea.

stopping new mutants to show up would have been an even better idea. I have no idea if that happened. by the time House of M came I already lost interest in the X-Men so I didn't follow those events

 

[sleekstereo]

The Murdochs Would Become Disney’s Largest Individual Shareholders When Merger Clears

http://deadline.com/2017/12/murdoch-stock-disney-fox-deal-1202227525/

Media analyst Doug Creutz of Cowen & Co. speculates that the Murdochs may be positioning themselves to run Disney one day, after CEO*Bob Iger*retires.

 

[Tony Stark]

Why do we need ANYTHING to implement mutants? Just say they exist, problem solved. Gauntlets, wiping reality, mind warps, etc. All this is too complicated and can just be simplified by saying they have always been there but only a small number.

Yep you don't need anything. The simple reality is, if the movie is good, the audience won't care.

 

[CaptainWagner]

The Murdochs Would Become Disney’s Largest Individual Shareholders When Merger Clears

http://deadline.com/2017/12/murdoch-stock-disney-fox-deal-1202227525/

Well that could be.... problematic....

 

[Iceman]

Lmao.

Yeah he''s only had GotG for 3-6 years and turned them into an A-list megahit bigger than X-men and Justice League.

Yeah, and Avengers will be going into uncharted territory for CBMs over the next couple of years. Just hope he can carry on this streak with X-Men and F4.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Why do we need ANYTHING to implement mutants? Just say they exist, problem solved. Gauntlets, wiping reality, mind warps, etc. All this is too complicated and can just be simplified by saying they have always been there but only a small number.

Strongly disagree, all these major events happening and no one has noticed them until now? Nah they need an explanation if they are going to be in the MCU and be among the population at large

 

[Spider-Fan]

Strongly disagree, all these major events happening and no one has noticed them until now? Nah they need an explanation if they are going to be in the MCU and be among the population at large

Why?

 

[Xeno]

Its hardly the first time it has happened, in the old days when the Mutant population was generally shown as being small there was stuff like the Mutant Massacre. As the population has been written as larger and larger they have done bigger destructions of the Mutant population, the Legacy Virus, and the sentinel attack on Genosha all came before Wanda had her go.

This is all true and it all sucks. In fact, the comics have sucked since the late '80s, just before they crashed and burned under the weight of bad decisions. Some concepts have been salvaged from the garbage fire created by successive editorial regimes, but most of what's been published in the last few decades deserved to be **** out The Devil's Anus.

 

[Mad Ones]

This is all true and it all sucks. In fact, the comics have sucked since the late '80s, just before they crashed and burned under the weight of bad decisions. Some concepts have been salvaged from the garbage fire created by successive editorial regimes, but most of what's been published in the last few decades deserved to be **** out The Devil's Anus.

Did you just skip Wheden's and Morrison's run? This is an overly general statement that doesn't hold up.

 

[Orba]

This is all true and it all sucks. In fact, the comics have sucked since the late '80s, just before they crashed and burned under the weight of bad decisions. Some concepts have been salvaged from the garbage fire created by successive editorial regimes, but most of what's been published in the last few decades deserved to be **** out The Devil's Anus.

It comes down to Marvel not keeping control of the Mutant population size resulting in writers coming along and massively increasing it which just creates issues for those coming along after, resulting in the population be decimated to tidy things up. Marvel should just have sorted out what the population was and stuck to it. The sentinel attack on Genosha killed over 16 million Mutants, that would have meant that the country was at least 70th in the world list of countries based on population. 16 million is twice the population of Israel, and that was just the number on Mutants in Genosha never mind those in the rest of the world.

Its something that the MCU will have to be very careful about. Having the genocide of a group on levels never before seen in history every few years is sloppy.

 

[ADollarADay]

The Murdochs Would Become Disney’s Largest Individual Shareholders When Merger Clears

http://deadline.com/2017/12/murdoch-stock-disney-fox-deal-1202227525/

The trust would, but each individual Murdoch would probably still have less equity than Powell Jobs, Lucas, and maybe Perlmutter.

 

[Havok83]

Strongly disagree, all these major events happening and no one has noticed them until now? Nah they need an explanation if they are going to be in the MCU and be among the population at large

The X-men were introduced into the MU in 1963 but mutants existed for centuries prior to that. It wasnt until Magneto made a public attack that mainstream became aware of the existence of mutants. It would be decades later till it became public knowledge that the Xavier school was a school for mutants. I dont see why this stuff cant just be secret like it was in the books. I dont expect the numbers to be in the millions like it eventually got in the books but if there are relatively few of them, then they can simply say there hasnt been enough to realize they were a new form of evolution. What distinguishes mutants from other powered beings like the Hulk, Spiderman, Captain America? Without knowing they have an X-gene, it could easily be assumed that their powers were obtained from some outside source. The Inhumans have been around for decades but SHIELD only discovered their existence a couple of years ago and then the government and public eventually did as well.

 

[Xeno]

Also, creatively speaking, there is absolutely no reason why Marvel can't start cross-pollinating characters or story arcs IF THEY WANT TO. Marvel can take an advisory role on the Fox movies and own complete creative control over their own movies. Fox can basically show Marvel their final cuts and ask if they would like to seed something in there. Also, there is nothing now that is going to stop, say, a FF reference or even characters showing up in Avengers 4. Coz, even in the worst case of the deal being stopped (and at this point there is no reason for it to be stopped), those rights will most likely go back to Marvel.

Some folks just wanna spout baseless negative stuff.

This. People seem to forget that Feige has been a producer on many X films starting with the first one. He can easily increase his involvement in the productions, taking a more active role. This might not even require any formal agreement between the studios since Feige already has that role per prior arrangement. He can guide the future development of properties currently held at Fox going forward without all the hand-wringing fans are indulging in.

 

[Tymminator]

Why?

Your right, it doesn't.

For example Elvis, Eay Charles, The Beatles, The Who, Prince, boyz 2 men, Zed Zepplin, AC/DC freaking Britney Spear, whoever, are huge and everyone knows them, yet in my lifetime I can easily go months where I don’t hear a word about them, yet when they are brought up to me, I know who they are and what they do.

On the more negative end, I always knew/heard about the KKK, ISIS, the Taliban, Neo Nazis and although there are periods of times I am bombarded by thier mention, I can also go stretches without hearing anything. Yet I promise if you asked me in those stretches if I was aware of them, of course I would tell you I did.

You can’t and should never expect when you see a movie that you are going to be aware of everything the characters of that world are aware of.

You learn more of their world when either they learn of it as new or, or it’s revealed to you by THEM.

It’s good writing that will make that reveal well done or clumsy.

 

[SAUspartan]

I wouldn’t be shocked if New Mutants 2 films next year. 2018. And then New Mutants 3 films in 2019. In time before it’s finalized.

 

[Iceman]

The X-men were introduced into the MU in 1963 but mutants existed for centuries prior to that. It wasnt until Magneto made a public attack that mainstream became aware of the existence of mutants. It would be decades later till it became public knowledge that the Xavier school was a school for mutants. I dont see why this stuff cant just be secret like it was in the books. I dont expect the numbers to be in the millions like it eventually got in the books but if there are relatively few of them, then they can simply say there hasnt been enough to realize they were a new form of evolution. What distinguishes mutants from other powered beings like the Hulk, Spiderman, Captain America? Without knowing they have an X-gene, it could easily be assumed that their powers were obtained from some outside source. The Inhumans have been around for decades but SHIELD only discovered their existence a couple of years ago and then the government and public eventually did as well.

Exactly. Until people are informed that there is a "mutant problem" they will assume that there are more Iron Men and Caps running around than they had thought.

 

[Tymminator]

Exactly. Until people are informed that there is a "mutant problem" they will assume that there are more Iron Men and Caps running around than they had thought.

And the truth about a “problem” is something can be around for awhile, but when the right people decide the make a big deal of a “problem” it can explode.

You can have it where in a very short time the population can go from “neutral to uneasy relationship” with each other to where certain people start fanning the flame to increase the fear and distrust of another in its population, therefore increasing fear and distrust by “revealing” the “problem” and it works all the time, because people in general as a group can be fickle, fearful and easy to manipulate.


In the MCU world, all you need is for someone on a news channel to say “50% of superpowered based violent crime is done by mutants.” Not all mutants are bad, but most of these crimes are done by them compared to 25% Inhumans and 15% other alien origin and 10% Humans who gained powers by experiment, accident or powered by their own technology”.

And even in real life, that would get people going, even if before they were bombarded by news like that when they were neutral or only slightly leery of Mutants, afterwards they would be more frightened/have more hatred of them that a human like Stark or even Spider-man.

 

[Mad Ones]

The general population lives in fear that there are closeted mutants among them and that eventually mutants will outnumber "normal humans." This is how bigotry works in the real world and it makes sense in Marvel's world too. There's a difference between being afraid of living in a world where people look more and more different than you and loving Iron Man because of his cool tech.