Disney in talks to buy Fox: X-Men Homecoming? - Part 3

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So, you think that under the current circumstances Fox will put movies into production even before the previous entries have come out? That probably won't happen for several reasons. 1. Fox needs to see how well NM does first. 2. Studios don't just churn out feature films in a couple of months like boxes of cheap wine. 3. Fox is going to want to hold back on new Marvel-based films for a bit to assess how to proceed. No need for them to rush ahead with things right away because they're not under the gun in re: licensing anymore.

It will also be rather inconsiderate of them to try to green light more Marvel movies, knowing that the deal will be finalized within 18 months. You won’t trash your own house after you have sold it and before the new owner moves in.
 
Exactly. It's like being back in phase one saying "Oh they never mentioned Inhumans so therefore they don't exist" or "Oh they've never mentioned Skrulls so they can't have them in the 90's without some complicated reality altering thing. Just they've been around but most people never knew. With mutants you can even point out that they may have been found a few times but no one understood the real cause of their mutation.
Just like how we all freaked out when we watched Ant-Man because Hank Pym had never been mentioned in previous Marvel movies even though he had been around for decades.

Oh...that wasn't a problem, was it? :woot:

The X-men were introduced into the MU in 1963 but mutants existed for centuries prior to that. It wasnt until Magneto made a public attack that mainstream became aware of the existence of mutants. It would be decades later till it became public knowledge that the Xavier school was a school for mutants. I dont see why this stuff cant just be secret like it was in the books. I dont expect the numbers to be in the millions like it eventually got in the books but if there are relatively few of them, then they can simply say there hasnt been enough to realize they were a new form of evolution. What distinguishes mutants from other powered beings like the Hulk, Spiderman, Captain America? Without knowing they have an X-gene, it could easily be assumed that their powers were obtained from some outside source. The Inhumans have been around for decades but SHIELD only discovered their existence a couple of years ago and then the government and public eventually did as well.
Agreed. Much ado about nothing.

I will admit I love the "solution" of having Prof X wipe the memory of mutants from the human race and then having that act be revealed and spur some kind of conflict between humans and mutants.

you do know when disney reboot the x-men, wolverine will probably still be recast and still be a central character right? You're entitled to your opinion but it feels like you're hating on those x-men films because of logan. It's like me saying that I hate the avengers movies because of Iron man who is even more central to those movies than wolverine is in the x-men films, He even hijacked captain americas movie and he's now a part of spider-mans origin. I personally enjoyed a lot of the marvel movies and don't hold that against them.

I also find it interesting how a lot of comic books fans complain day and night about wolverine and turn a blind eye to characters like iron man and batman. I don't get why logan gets so much irrational blind hate.
"A central character" is fine. "THE central character" is the problem.

And Wolverine was much more prominent in X-films than Iron Man is in Avengers films. That's not even close. So much so that Logan's THREE solo movies came AFTER the team movie. There obviously could never be a solo movie with any of the other X-men since they were background noise for the most part. None of the other X-men were developed as characters so how could they appear in their own movie like Logan did?

When Iron Man shows up in movies with other characters he is just a part of the team. He isn't the main character in Avengers. And he is a co-star in Civil War with Cap getting more of the narrative. In Homecoming, IM is a supporting player like Storm and Cyclops are in Fox movies.
 
Just like how we all freaked out when we watched Ant-Man because Hank Pym had never been mentioned in previous Marvel movies even though he had been around for decades.

Oh...that wasn't a problem, was it? :woot:


Agreed. Much ado about nothing.

I will admit I love the "solution" of having Prof X wipe the memory of mutants from the human race and then having that act be revealed and spur some kind of conflict between humans and mutants.


"A central character" is fine. "THE central character" is the problem.

And Wolverine was much more prominent in X-films than Iron Man is in Avengers films. That's not even close. So much so that Logan's THREE solo movies came AFTER the team movie. There obviously could never be a solo movie with any of the other X-men since they were background noise for the most part. None of the other X-men were developed as characters so how could they appear in their own movie like Logan did?

When Iron Man shows up in movies with other characters he is just a part of the team. He isn't the main character in Avengers. And he is a co-star in Civil War with Cap getting more of the narrative. In Homecoming, IM is a supporting player like Storm and Cyclops are in Fox movies.

I had a fun theory in my head related to that, but the being responsible was Onslaught.
 
Nope. I think the series will be an unology. Even if the movie is a "success", Marvel Studios already have enough " successful" franchises under their belt and the X-Men, the Fantastic Four and the crossovers with them would be their new priorites. New Mutants would just felt like an obligation for the new Fox, since Marvel Studios didn't really make them from scratch and probably wouldn't touch it and connect it to the MCU. The property would feel like a 2nd citizen because of that.

You will be wrong!
 
Not to mention the fan support. Maybe I'm projecting but I really don't see a big desire for a Channing Tatum Gambit movie. Now if it were in the MCU.... that could change things.

I hope it gets scrapped. Its not apassion project for Fox. They are mostly doing it for Channing. So eh. I prefer to see Gambit with the X-Men.
 
I had a fun theory in my head related to that, but the being responsible was Onslaught.

After I thought about the "mind wipe" theory" for a while, I realized how it would give Xavier's character so much more... nuance, I guess would be the word. I think it would help in delving into his more insidious side that surfaces from time to time in the comics, in contrast to what the Fox films have given us (or at least generally so- I can't think of times when they showed him to be darker, nor do I want to give much more thought to those movies).
 
James Mangold responded to my tweets I sent Feige that I tagged Gunn in and Mangold. Short of it...


Here’s my tweets..


Hey @Kevfeige - If we don’t get the New Mutants trilogy or a Hard R X-23 w/ @DafneKeen by @mang0ld / @MrCraigKyle well riot! We deserve it. But knowing the risk averse MCU we won’t get it. Sorry @JamesGunn I love ya but it’s true. MCU is going to ruin X-Men. I’m so depressed that these movies will be scrapped. Think about Josh Boone and his plans for a trilogy! That he pitched New Mutants as. Please don’t let us down. Hard R X-23 and New Mutants 2 and New Mutants 3. Don’t rob us of those.


Here’s Mangolds response...

“Breathe, Nick. We don't know what's being "scrapped" & while I haven't spent time w/ @Kevfeige yet, he's a smart man doing some cool things & I bet he doesn't know yet either. Let's not mirror our nation's capitol & break into suspicious factions! Looking forward!“

And here’s my response back...

“Thanks for the reply Mangold. I love all the MCU movies. I’m just nervous about the formula and if New Mutants and X-23 are too risky for Disney to invest in when they can get so much money by sticking to the same formula. Nothing to do about my enjoyment of all the films.”
 
Fox projects depend on whether Disney thinks it'll make money for them or not. So if Gambit flops and loses money, Disney will lose money. Once it starts filming, Disney is pretty much stuck with it so they're gonna have to decide which movies to pull off the Fox filming schedule. The thing is, I don't think it's legally possible for Disney to be involved with these projects before the merger actually goes through. So Fox can start filming a bunch of movies and Disney can't do anything about it.

Reminds me of the JL situation. The execs wouldn't get their bonuses if JL was pushed back after the AT&T merger went through because they most likely wouldn't have jobs anymore so they didn't delay the movie. If AT&T had any say, they probably would've delayed it
 
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Fox projects depend on whether Disney thinks it'll make money for them or not. So if Gambit flops and loses money, Disney will lose money. Once it starts filming, Disney is pretty much stuck with it so they're gonna have to decide which movies to pull off the Fox filming schedule. The thing is, I don't think it's legally possible for Disney to be involved with these projects before the merger actually goes through. So Fox can start filming a bunch of movies and Disney can't do anything about it.

Reminds me of the JL situation. The execs wouldn't get their bonuses if JL was pushed back after the AT&T merger went through because they most likely wouldn't have jobs anymore so they didn't delay the movie. If AT&T had any say, they probably would've delayed it


Disney doesn't have to though, but Marvel can still be involved coz its upto Fox and Marvel are still credited as the creators of these characters.
 
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I can't understand what the hell Marvel's editors were thinking when they decimated the mutants. Why? Why did they do that? And why scapegoat Wanda for it? And why destroy the Avengers in the process?

Crap like that is why I gave up on comics after Onslaught. I cannot abide such reckless stupidity.

Quesada felt their were too many mutants, and that it was undermining the whole point of the X-Men.

Brian Michael Bendis wanted to put Wolverine and Spiderman in the Avengers (and his faves Luke Cage and Jessica Jones), while Quesada wanted to reduce the mutant numbers. Bendis (and indeed other writers like Millar and Hickman) regarded characters like Wanda, Vision, Clint, and Scott Lang (Bendis tried to kill him off even before Disassembled) as "lame" (ironic given the MCU has made those characters popular again).

John Byrne trashed Wanda in order to trash Vision back in the 80s (by making her crazy, he effectively was saying she was crazy to see Vision as a person), then Dan Abnett and Kurt Busiek fixed the damage...then Bendis decided to repeat what Byrne did (it being the only Wanda story he knew), ignoring all of Kurt Busiek's work in defining Wanda's powers.
Bendis made Wanda disappear from comics for nearly a decade, an exile that only really ended due to Joss Whedon pushing her into the MCU.

One of the interesting things about MCU Vision is that he appears to be a pretty big repudiation of the way John Byrne (it's him who called Vision a "toaster") and most modern Marvel writers (Tom King excepted) view Vision.
 
“Breathe, Nick. We don't know what's being "scrapped" & while I haven't spent time w/ @Kevfeige yet, he's a smart man doing some cool things & I bet he doesn't know yet either. Let's not mirror our nation's capitol & break into suspicious factions! Looking forward!“

Are you planning on following Mr. Mangold's advice?
 
“Thanks for the reply Mangold. I love all the MCU movies. I’m just nervous about the formula and if New Mutants and X-23 are too risky for Disney to invest in when they can get so much money by sticking to the same formula. Nothing to do about my enjoyment of all the films.”

What if you don't like New Mutants once you've seen it?
It's way to soon to clamor more and do not worry for Hollywood directors, especially when they work on franchises they do not own, Josh Boone will be fine.
 
Ok, regarding this twitter convo, you were way too harsh on MCU. Yes, I saw your other tweets. And I even see that James Gunn has also replied to you that GotG was a bigger risk than New Mutants.
 
Honestly I hope they scrap everything cept Deadpool. Don’t need nor want an X-23 movie and though I think New Mutants could be good I don’t want marvel to feel tied to anything they didn’t create. Maybe I need to send a tweet to Feige that if he keeps anything from Fox “we’ll” riot, cause I’m so qualified to speak on behalf of everyone...
 
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“Breathe, Nick. We don't know what's being "scrapped" & while I haven't spent time w/ @Kevfeige yet, he's a smart man doing some cool things & I bet he doesn't know yet either. Let's not mirror our nation's capitol & break into suspicious factions! Looking forward!“

For some weird reason I feel like he typed 'D.C.' and then reread it and was like 'oh, no, that'd just make it worse!' and rewrote it.

I get your overall concern about the MCU showing a distinct lack of interest in R-rated subject matter, preferring to stick with what works and simply add in a bit of weight for flavor as needed. That is a loss, however 'people won't make movies I like' is a pretty poor motivation to start attacking people.

Agreed. Much ado about nothing.

I will admit I love the "solution" of having Prof X wipe the memory of mutants from the human race and then having that act be revealed and spur some kind of conflict between humans and mutants.

Then he can just wipe their minds again.

If the debut of the X-Men is what we're going by, then the X-Men have not previously existed simply old mutants with distinct reasons for not being noticed by the public (ie, existing before cell phone footage was everywhere). If we want to use the fact that the public didn't know about a buried guy named Apocalypse to make it sound like the public not knowing a guy blew a crane off its hinges with a giant red beam, we're selling apple juice as though its orange juice, and I assure you not everyone will buy it.

Why do we need ANYTHING to implement mutants? Just say they exist, problem solved. Gauntlets, wiping reality, mind warps, etc. All this is too complicated and can just be simplified by saying they have always been there but only a small number.

Show don't tell. "Just say" Lex Luthor turns Zod into Doomsday. "Just say" . The problem is not the audience accepting that your contrived storyline (as all storylines are) could happen, it's caring about storyline, and that means making it natural. A bunch of teenagers with destructive powers raging out of control and that not being a big deal until now doesn't and can't feel natural. Nor does it need to. The comics start as these mutants are just emerging, the movies can too, and no one seems to have a reason why mutants need to be previously existing (outside of Xavier, Magneto, Selene and Apocalypse), or even how that helps the story AT ALL.

Exactly. It's like being back in phase one saying "Oh they never mentioned Inhumans so therefore they don't exist" or "Oh they've never mentioned Skrulls so they can't have them in the 90's without some complicated reality altering thing. Just they've been around but most people never knew. With mutants you can even point out that they may have been found a few times but no one understood the real cause of their mutation.

Big difference: The Inhumans and Skrulls' basic storyline is that they're hidden. You don't have to come up with some storyline to explain why we don't know about some people cloaked on the moon or some shapeshifters who are spying on us.

The X-Men's basic storyline is that teenagers get superpowers at random. Trying to come up with some storyline why that's been happening for years and no one noticed or cared leads to problems, like giving Xavier the power to erase the memories of his enemies when things are really tough.

Instead of trying to 'solve' problems that are created by changing the concept of the X-Men story, just do the X-Men story.

Mutants are a new phenomenon. Everyone's young or young-ish. Start at the beginning, because that is the strength of the MCU, not having to retcon stories into the past, but letting the audience get in the ground floor like we did so many years ago.
 
The X-men were introduced into the MU in 1963 but mutants existed for centuries prior to that. It wasnt until Magneto made a public attack that mainstream became aware of the existence of mutants. It would be decades later till it became public knowledge that the Xavier school was a school for mutants. I don't see why this stuff cant just be secret like it was in the books. I dont expect the numbers to be in the millions like it eventually got in the books but if there are relatively few of them, then they can simply say there hasnt been enough to realize they were a new form of evolution. What distinguishes mutants from other powered beings like the Hulk, Spiderman, Captain America? Without knowing they have an X-gene, it could easily be assumed that their powers were obtained from some outside source. The Inhumans have been around for decades but SHIELD only discovered their existence a couple of years ago and then the government and public eventually did as well.
Inhumans are different, most who are aware of what they are live apart from humanity and the rest who don't know aren't special till they go through teragenesis which most won't go through because they don't know about it and/or what they are

As for mutants existing in an urban legend like status until magneto performs a terrorist act I dunno. Isn't the knowledge of and hatred for mutants what inspires him to attack humans?

I kind of like how Ultimate Marvel handles the origin of mutant kind by tying it to Genetic Engineering Arms Race but such a thing removes the possibility of ancient mutants
 
James Mangold responded to my tweets I sent Feige that I tagged Gunn in and Mangold. Short of it...


Here’s my tweets..


Hey @Kevfeige - If we don’t get the New Mutants trilogy or a Hard R X-23 w/ @DafneKeen by @mang0ld / @MrCraigKyle well riot! We deserve it. But knowing the risk averse MCU we won’t get it. Sorry @JamesGunn I love ya but it’s true. MCU is going to ruin X-Men. I’m so depressed that these movies will be scrapped. Think about Josh Boone and his plans for a trilogy! That he pitched New Mutants as. Please don’t let us down. Hard R X-23 and New Mutants 2 and New Mutants 3. Don’t rob us of those.


Here’s Mangolds response...

“Breathe, Nick. We don't know what's being "scrapped" & while I haven't spent time w/ @Kevfeige yet, he's a smart man doing some cool things & I bet he doesn't know yet either. Let's not mirror our nation's capitol & break into suspicious factions! Looking forward!“

And here’s my response back...

“Thanks for the reply Mangold. I love all the MCU movies. I’m just nervous about the formula and if New Mutants and X-23 are too risky for Disney to invest in when they can get so much money by sticking to the same formula. Nothing to do about my enjoyment of all the films.”

I literally loled at this post. Thanks for that, I was having a pretty ****** day today :D
 
James Mangold responded to my tweets I sent Feige that I tagged Gunn in and Mangold. Short of it...


Here’s my tweets..


Hey @Kevfeige - If we don’t get the New Mutants trilogy or a Hard R X-23 w/ @DafneKeen by @mang0ld / @MrCraigKyle well riot! We deserve it. But knowing the risk averse MCU we won’t get it. Sorry @JamesGunn I love ya but it’s true. MCU is going to ruin X-Men. I’m so depressed that these movies will be scrapped. Think about Josh Boone and his plans for a trilogy! That he pitched New Mutants as. Please don’t let us down. Hard R X-23 and New Mutants 2 and New Mutants 3. Don’t rob us of those.


Here’s Mangolds response...

“Breathe, Nick. We don't know what's being "scrapped" & while I haven't spent time w/ @Kevfeige yet, he's a smart man doing some cool things & I bet he doesn't know yet either. Let's not mirror our nation's capitol & break into suspicious factions! Looking forward!“

And here’s my response back...

“Thanks for the reply Mangold. I love all the MCU movies. I’m just nervous about the formula and if New Mutants and X-23 are too risky for Disney to invest in when they can get so much money by sticking to the same formula. Nothing to do about my enjoyment of all the films.”

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Inhumans are different, most who are aware of what they are live apart from humanity and the rest who don't know aren't special till they go through teragenesis which most won't go through because they don't know about it and/or what they are

As for mutants existing in an urban legend like status until magneto performs a terrorist act I dunno. Isn't the knowledge of and hatred for mutants what inspires him to attack humans?

I kind of like how Ultimate Marvel handles the origin of mutant kind by tying it to Genetic Engineering Arms Race but such a thing removes the possibility of ancient mutants

Not necessarily some mutants are just evil and through the Inhumans knowledge and hatred of a powered race is there, so Magneto has justification to fear the humans especially if you bring up his own childhood.
Some mutants are afraid of the humans just as humans fear the mutants it can just be a first strike thing.

Magneto also has a mutant superiority complex and believes that earth belongs to mutants due to them being the more evolved species

He can also be inspired by how they treat his daughter Wanda Maximoff
 
Honestly I hope they scrap everything cept Deadpool. Don’t need nor want an X-23 movie and though I think New Mutants could be good I don’t want marvel to feel tied to anything they didn’t create. Maybe I need to send a tweet to Feige that if he keeps anything from Fox “we’ll” riot, cause I’m so qualified to speak on behalf of everyone...

Exactly right. They should leave Deadpool alone including letting the movies remain R rated. Scrap everything else after Dark Phoenix. I don't expect much from New Mutants and no one is really interested in a X-23 movie. Let the Logan movie stand on its own which it seems like it was meant to. After all it provided a definitive ending to Wolverine's, Professor X's and the X-Men's story. It along with Deadpool are the only X films I really like.
 
James Mangold responded to my tweets I sent Feige that I tagged Gunn in and Mangold. Short of it...


Here’s my tweets..


Hey @Kevfeige - If we don’t get the New Mutants trilogy or a Hard R X-23 w/ @DafneKeen by @mang0ld / @MrCraigKyle well riot! We deserve it. But knowing the risk averse MCU we won’t get it. Sorry @JamesGunn I love ya but it’s true. MCU is going to ruin X-Men. I’m so depressed that these movies will be scrapped. Think about Josh Boone and his plans for a trilogy! That he pitched New Mutants as. Please don’t let us down. Hard R X-23 and New Mutants 2 and New Mutants 3. Don’t rob us of those.


Here’s Mangolds response...

“Breathe, Nick. We don't know what's being "scrapped" & while I haven't spent time w/ @Kevfeige yet, he's a smart man doing some cool things & I bet he doesn't know yet either. Let's not mirror our nation's capitol & break into suspicious factions! Looking forward!“

And here’s my response back...

“Thanks for the reply Mangold. I love all the MCU movies. I’m just nervous about the formula and if New Mutants and X-23 are too risky for Disney to invest in when they can get so much money by sticking to the same formula. Nothing to do about my enjoyment of all the films.”
Your tweets are representative of why I highly dislike Twitter and social media. Also, no one is going to riot in the event of any of those scenarios either.
 
James Mangold responded to my tweets I sent Feige that I tagged Gunn in and Mangold. Short of it...


Here’s my tweets..


Hey @Kevfeige - If we don’t get the New Mutants trilogy or a Hard R X-23 w/ @DafneKeen by @mang0ld / @MrCraigKyle well riot! We deserve it. But knowing the risk averse MCU we won’t get it. Sorry @JamesGunn I love ya but it’s true. MCU is going to ruin X-Men. I’m so depressed that these movies will be scrapped. Think about Josh Boone and his plans for a trilogy! That he pitched New Mutants as. Please don’t let us down. Hard R X-23 and New Mutants 2 and New Mutants 3. Don’t rob us of those.


Here’s Mangolds response...

“Breathe, Nick. We don't know what's being "scrapped" & while I haven't spent time w/ @Kevfeige yet, he's a smart man doing some cool things & I bet he doesn't know yet either. Let's not mirror our nation's capitol & break into suspicious factions! Looking forward!“

And here’s my response back...

“Thanks for the reply Mangold. I love all the MCU movies. I’m just nervous about the formula and if New Mutants and X-23 are too risky for Disney to invest in when they can get so much money by sticking to the same formula. Nothing to do about my enjoyment of all the films.”

I'll bet that scared the $#!T out of them. Remind me to lock and bar my doors if you don't get your way. It sounds like it could get really crazy. :whatever:
 
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