Disney in talks to buy Fox: X-Men Homecoming? - Part 3

[Iceman]

I think part of the problem is how some of us see different terms being used. For example, you speak of things like "ways out" and "years off" and then say we are looking at about 2-3 years. To me personally, that's not "years away." Years away would be like 2028 or 2030. 2021 or 2022 is nothing.

Maybe things would go smoother on here if we just spoke in terms of dates and hard numbers instead of vague terms.

I think some things might happen at some point.

 

[Dark Raven]

Who else is ready to see Kevin Feige's villain problem ruin Doctor Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, Kang, Magneto, Mister Sinister and Apocalypse?

TBH, Loki, Ultron and the Phase 3 and Netflix villains aren't as bad with the exceptions of Dormammu and Kaecilius. Dormammu can still reappear to be done better, though.

Ultron should've been far better than he was. He could be rebuilt with adamantium now. And without that Joss Whedon version of Ultron's face. I want the more Jack O'Lantern mouth and eyes instead. That's the iconic face.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Who else is ready to see Kevin Feige's villain problem ruin Doctor Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, Kang, Magneto, Mister Sinister and Apocalypse?

TBH, Loki, Ultron and the Phase 3 and Netflix villains aren't as bad with the exceptions of Dormammu and Kaecilius. Dormammu can still reappear to be done better, though.

Yeah, I don't see that happening

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't see that Doom could be much worse than Toby Kebell or Julian McMahon.

All they need to do is adhere closely to the comic and we'd get a great Doom. The material is all there already. Nothing needs to be rewritten or reimagined.

 

[Dasher10]

Let's look at how many franchises Marvel got out of this.

Fantastic Four
Doctor Doom
Silver Surfer
X-Men
X-Factor
X-Force
New Mutants
Alpha Flight
Wolverine
Deadpool
Cable
11 franchises right there.

And one-and-done solo films for Gambit, Storm and X-23.


And one character who Marvel technically owned but couldn't use thanks to legal issues with other characters Fox owned is Darkhawk.

We can also see Captain Marvel fight the Brood, Doctor Doom fight Black Panther and Doctor Strange, Juggernaut fight Spider-Man, Hulk and Doctor Strange, Avengers vs Kang, Guardians in an Annihilation, Annihilation: Conquest and War of Kings trilogy, New Mutants and Valkyrie team-up, Wolverine and Elektra team-up, Spider-Man join the Fantastic Four and GW Brige and Abigail Brand join the cast of AOS.

And add the X-Men to the Marvel U through Secret Wars 1983, Age of Apocalypse, House of M or Secret Wars 2015. I'm partial to the former. Beyonder as the main villain. Brings back/recasts dead MCU characters and explains why we never heard about mutants before all in one film.

 

[Dark Raven]

Let's look at how many franchises Marvel got out of this.

Fantastic Four
Doctor Doom
Silver Surfer
X-Men
X-Factor
X-Force
New Mutants
Alpha Flight
Wolverine
Deadpool
Cable
11 franchises right there.

And one-and-done solo films for Gambit, Storm and X-23.


And one character who Marvel technically owned but couldn't use thanks to legal issues with other characters Fox owned is Darkhawk.

We can also see Captain Marvel fight the Brood, Doctor Doom fight Black Panther and Doctor Strange, Juggernaut fight Spider-Man, Hulk and Doctor Strange, Avengers vs Kang, Guardians in an Annihilation, Annihilation: Conquest and War of Kings trilogy, New Mutants and Valkyrie team-up, Wolverine and Elektra team-up, Spider-Man join the Fantastic Four and GW Brige and Abigail Brand join the cast of AOS.

All the X-variants might get a bit overkill - X force, X-men, X Factor etc. They could just tell that all in X-Men. Otherwise everything begins to feel much the same.

I really don't want to see New Mutants either. I don't want the MCU to effectively replace itself with the Fox Marvel Cinematic Universe.

One franchise Marvel can definitely do which would be different as a genre to anything else before is Dazzler.

 

[Dasher10]

All the X-variants might get a bit overkill - X force, X-men, X Factor etc. They could just tell that all in X-Men. Otherwise everything begins to feel much the same.

I really don't want to see New Mutants either. I don't want the MCU to effectively replace itself with the Fox Marvel Cinematic Universe.

One franchise Marvel can definitely do which would be different as a genre to anything else before is Dazzler.

If we don't get multiple X-Teams, then you'll have an overcrowded cast in X-Men. X-Force works as a darker counterpart to the X-Men. X-Factor is a completely different premise.

New Mutants works because the X-Mansion is also a school + I like the characters.

 

[SAUspartan]

Alex Shipp doesn’t think they will recast her. Hope she’s right!

 

[Dark Raven]

If we don't get multiple X-Teams, then you'll have an overcrowded cast in X-Men. X-Force works as a darker counterpart to the X-Men. X-Factor is a completely different premise.

New Mutants works because the X-Mansion is also a school + I like the characters.

Well not really. It's the original X-Men pretending to be mutant hunters working for the government. But it's still the X-Men and still about mutants.

I just don't want the MCU to become completely overrun with mutant stories and become the equivalent of the Fox cinematic universe. That's just transferring everything from one studio to another. I want to see variation with other types of heroes and characters, not everything mutant related.

 

[Surfer]

Let's look at how many franchises Marvel got out of this.

Fantastic Four
Doctor Doom
Silver Surfer
X-Men
X-Factor
X-Force
New Mutants
Alpha Flight
Wolverine
Deadpool
Cable
11 franchises right there.

And one-and-done solo films for Gambit, Storm and X-23.


And one character who Marvel technically owned but couldn't use thanks to legal issues with other characters Fox owned is Darkhawk.

We can also see Captain Marvel fight the Brood, Doctor Doom fight Black Panther and Doctor Strange, Juggernaut fight Spider-Man, Hulk and Doctor Strange, Avengers vs Kang, Guardians in an Annihilation, Annihilation: Conquest and War of Kings trilogy, New Mutants and Valkyrie team-up, Wolverine and Elektra team-up, Spider-Man join the Fantastic Four and GW Brige and Abigail Brand join the cast of AOS.

And add the X-Men to the Marvel U through Secret Wars 1983, Age of Apocalypse, House of M or Secret Wars 2015. I'm partial to the former. Beyonder as the main villain. Brings back/recasts dead MCU characters and explains why we never heard about mutants before all in one film.

I would also like Marvel to assemble a classic Defenders team at some point now that they have the Silver Surfer. Although, I would expect it to be something a ways down the road since I think they should focus on introducing the Silver Surfer and then Galactus with their connection to the Fantastic Four, before considering him as a candidate for a team movie.

Surfer

 

[Dark Raven]

I would also like Marvel to assemble a classic Defenders team at some point now that they have the Silver Surfer. Although, I would expect it to be something a ways down the road since I think they should focus on introducing the Silver Surfer and then Galactus with their connection to the Fantastic Four, before considering him as a candidate for a team movie.

Surfer

Agreed. They could also use Namor in a group film if he can be used like Hulk.

Did they ever call the Netflix group the Defenders or was that only the title of the series? I don't recall them ever referring to themselves that way.

 

[Orba]

I could see Disney quite interested in doing their own X-23. Young female badass might be something that they might see as something that could pull in new audiences. Maybe teamed up with Gabby.

 

[psylockolussus]

Alex Shipp doesn’t think they will recast her. Hope she’s right!

She's probably wrong. I doubt Marvel.would keep her version of Storm. She wasn't even xcellent in the role.

 

[psylockolussus]

If we don't get multiple X-Teams, then you'll have an overcrowded cast in X-Men.

I don't mind. There's like at least 20 essential X-Men members that need to appear in a film as a member of the X-Men and they could always divide the team into squads.

X-Factor, New Mutants, X-Force should only start having their own films when they already developed Cyclops, Logan,Gambit, Beast, Iceman, Angel, Colossus, Kurt, Banshee, Havok, Bishop, Forge, Xavier, Storm, Jean, Rogue, Psylocke, Jubilee, Emma, Kitty, Polaris and Dazzler as members of the X-Men through multiple films.

 

[squeekness]

I could see Disney quite interested in doing their own X-23. Young female badass might be something that they might see as something that could pull in new audiences. Maybe teamed up with Gabby.

I'd be happy with this.

 

[Web-Head]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/a...disney-deal-1067672?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Surfer]

Agreed. They could also use Namor in a group film if he can be used like Hulk.

Did they ever call the Netflix group the Defenders or was that only the title of the series? I don't recall them ever referring to themselves that way.

I can't recall either. However, Netflix discards mostly anything comic booky about their characters and tries to instead make them into just very dark realistic portraits of the characters. To me Netflix is a mixed bag, because I appreciate some of their characterizations, but their unwillingness to fully embrace the comic book genre is felt and continues to hold them back in my opinion. So, to answer your question I doubt they refered to themselves as the Defenders and I believe that it was just more of a title because of how Netflix treats things.

Surfer

 

[psylockolussus]

No the Defenders wasn't used as a name of the group.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/a...disney-deal-1067672?__twitter_impression=true

The demand is real.

 

[Raiden]

Who else is ready to see Kevin Feige's villain problem ruin Doctor Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, Kang, Magneto, Mister Sinister and Apocalypse?

TBH, Loki, Ultron and the Phase 3 and Netflix villains aren't as bad with the exceptions of Dormammu and Kaecilius. Dormammu can still reappear to be done better, though.

Fox has ruined all those villains you mentioned. The only villain not foiled by Fox is Magneto and they made him into an anti hero and not a real villain.

MCU has been doing pretty well with villains lately. This year, I think Ego, Vulture, and Hela were all terrific. Next year’s Kilmonger and Thanos look to continue this streak as well.

 

[Havok83]

Fox has ruined all those villains you mentioned. The only villain not foiled by Fox is Magneto and they made him into an anti hero and not a real villain.

MCU has been doing pretty well with villains lately. This year, I think Ego, Vulture, and Hela were all terrific. Next year’s Kilmonger and Thanos look to continue this streak as well.

Magneto is an antihero in the comics so Fox got him right

Well not really. It's the original X-Men pretending to be mutant hunters working for the government. But it's still the X-Men and still about mutants.

I just don't want the MCU to become completely overrun with mutant stories and become the equivalent of the Fox cinematic universe. That's just transferring everything from one studio to another. I want to see variation with other types of heroes and characters, not everything mutant related.

Yes really. There have been multiple versions of X-factor. The O5 have never worked for the government. Youre combining two concepts of X-factor, the original and the 90s reboot with Havok's group. The modern incarnation, which Im sure he's referring to is very different, enough that it can function as its own thing without feeling redundant with the X-men

Let's look at how many franchises Marvel got out of this.

Fantastic Four
Doctor Doom
Silver Surfer
X-Men
X-Factor
X-Force
New Mutants
Alpha Flight
Wolverine
Deadpool
Cable
11 franchises right there.
.

No, just 2, maybe 3 franchises. All the rest are spinoffs and characters that fall under the X-men and FF (and Alpha Flight)

 

[psylockolussus]

They can make X-Men 1 up to 9 and change rosters and even headquarters. That's the beauty of the X-Men comics, they really evolved throughout the decades, when someone left and someone new came to the X-Men. Fox hasn't really tapped on that. X-Men had so many chapters that even without adapting the Dark Phoenix Saga and Days of Future Past they wouldn't run out of stories to adapt.

 

[Iceman]

This could be a persistent franchise alongside Avengers within the larger persistent franchise of the MCU. This is the benefit of having access to teams with rotating rosters that have been going for decades and decades. Keeping things fresh isn't that difficult as you can keep introducing new characters and when necessary move other characters on.

 

[Big Bang]

With all the franchise talk, I'm surprised you guys haven't gone and taken over the X-forums yet.

 

[Rorschach2012]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/a...disney-deal-1067672?__twitter_impression=true

Psh whatever. The concerns this article raised are of no concern to me.

Risks like X23, New Mutants, Gambit or Multiple Man might not happen under Disney? Oh nooooooo I’m so sad /sarcasm

No one wanted those movies anyways

Start with the big guns, establish them. Then get to the riskier characters.

 

[InCali]

When do companies make side deals on assets for a corporate merger like this? Do you have some examples?

All the deals people are talking about by comparison took place outside of corporate mergers between two independent companies.

I never spoke about side deals of ownership (if that's what you mean) of assets.

It's not going to benefit them if the sale gets blocked.

See the post regarding who gets the profits might be instructive. In any case, and I'm sure you'll find some way to "speak" to how incorrect I am, the landscape has changed.

Nope. I would hypothesize, they might not be legally allowed to do that because they are in the process of buying the company.

Ohhhhhh.....THAT'S VERY different. I would hypothesize that Fox and Marvel CAN work out a deal similar to the Sony/Marvel deal. "Do you have some examples?" (Your quote...not mine).

I've never blocked anybody before. Death comes for us all.....I just don't want mine to be from boredom.