Disney in talks to buy Fox: X-Men Homecoming? - Part 4

[Marvel united]

Mystique needs a break imo. She can show up in the Black Widow movie

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Mystique needs a break imo. She can show up in the Black Widow movie

She fits better in Captain Marvel 2 or 3

 

[DrCosmic]

How about ...

Spoiler

Mystique!

I would LOVE Sinister!

Ha! I'd also concur on giving Mystique a rest right along with Magneto.

Sinister would be bomb, almost ideal. Exodus. Shadow King too. It's too early for Arcade, Bastion or Mojo. It'd be interesting if they started with the Shi'ar, since they're supposedly being all cosmic and stuff for the next phases.

 

[Iceman]

Ha! I'd also concur on giving Mystique a rest right along with Magneto.

Sinister would be bomb, almost ideal. Exodus. Shadow King too. It's too early for Arcade, Bastion or Mojo. It'd be interesting if they started with the Shi'ar, since they're supposedly being all cosmic and stuff for the next phases.

Agreed on every word above.

 

[Xeno]

She fits better in Captain Marvel 2 or 3

Captain Marvel deals with cosmic threats and can go toe-to-toe with the strongest heroes and villains. Mystique is purely street-level in terms of strength and abilities. She is so far beneath Marvel's level it's pathetic.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Captain Marvel deals with cosmic threats and can go toe-to-toe with the strongest heroes and villains. Mystique is purely street-level in terms of strength and abilities. She is so far beneath Marvel's level it's pathetic.

Carol Danvers & Mystique have alot of history. You must not know about it.

 

[DrCosmic]

Carol Danvers & Mystique have alot of history. You must not know about it.

I know about it. That history was before she was a cosmic hero, and Carol is a cosmic hero from the beginning in the MCU. They don't fit together anymore.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I know about it. That history was before she was a cosmic hero, and Carol is a cosmic hero from the beginning in the MCU. They don't fit together anymore.

Ms. Marvel was always a cosmic hero since her creation what are you talking about.


Mystique & Rogue going after Captain Marvel's powers definitely would make a great movie

 

[Jordacar]

If they eventually use Mystique, I hope they bring back the original plan for Nightcrawler's parentage, i.e. Destiny was the mother and Raven was the father.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

If they eventually use Mystique, I hope they bring back the original plan for Nightcrawler's parentage, i.e. Destiny was the mother and Raven was the father.

The backlash would be too strong for Disney imo. But that would be great

 

[DrCosmic]

Ms. Marvel was always a cosmic hero since her creation what are you talking about.


Mystique & Rogue going after Captain Marvel's powers definitely would make a great movie

She was not always cosmic. Mar-Vell was cosmic, but in her solo series she was fighting street crime. Scorpion, Modok, Tiger Shark, that types. The biggest thing she did cosmic was get sexually assaulted by Marcus. That's when Claremont pulled her into being an X-Men character, again, not cosmic, and all he could figure out to do with her was, as you see pictured, further depower her to serve Rogue and Mystique's storyline. There is nothing about some ladies only caring about her powers that makes Carol a more interesting character. It might make for an interesting Rogue movie, but a really poor Captain Marvel movie, especially for a character who is powerful enough to casually erase Rogue from existence with a single blast if she so chooses, which is the power level of the current and cosmic Captain Marvel.

It ain't the 70s no more. This character has outgrown her first sidekick-y incarnation.

If Rogue and Mystique want to fight Ms. Marvel, they'll have to fight Kamala Khan, she's more their speed. Or they can fly around in little spaceships around Carol like Alpha Flight does nowadays.

 

[Jordacar]

The backlash would be too strong for Disney imo. But that would be great

In for a penny, in for a pound. If they're gonna represent the plight of repressed minorities, they better represent yo.

 

[TheVileOne]

You also don't run a billion dollar enterprise that heavily depends on toy and merchandise sales. So, TheVileOne can say just bench one of the 5 most profitable characters possibly in comics, but that is not a sound business decision. Businesses are in the business to make money, and not using one of your most popular assets potentially will create a diminishing return. Not maximizing your profits in business is a bad thing.

In other words, Disney will not be coming to you for advice on this one anytime soon.

Thinking like that is why Maya Hansen was not the main villain in Iron Man 3 and we got that half-baked "Killian is the Mandarin!" nonsense.

 

[TheVileOne]

If no principle is sound... then how can you make any sense?

Yes "people will complain no matter what" but the number of people who complain is the difference between Fant4stic and Black Panther. Complaints about Iron Fist are about... Iron Fist, not Logan. If the MCU was about the most recent/current, Bucky would have been the Captain America of the MCU. And just because gender diversity has to change doesn't mean it has to be done in the least diverse way: lesser versions of male characters.

Why is X-23's Wolverine the lesser version? Because she's a woman? Isn't that the type of thinking that has to change?

You may not care about popularity, that's fine, but the reality is the MCU used the most popular characters it had in its stable to build its universe, and because they did this they had 1) The most buzz possible and 2) the most stories to draw from, which is part of why they were successful. That may be why they're excited about recasting Wolverine, and not about an X-23 spinoff. Likewise, as soon as they got Spider-Man, they fast tracked him.

If that was the case, they wouldn't have used Hope Pym and Scott Lang instead of Janet Van Dyne and Hank Pym. Hope I think only appeared in what? MC2. She literally has almost no stories to draw from. Yet they made her their modern, current version of The Wasp.

It may be that those who want gender diversity will have to be satisfied with Jean Grey, Ororo Munroe, Rogue, Kitty Pryde, Betsy Braddock and Alison Blaire as X-Men. I don't know how they'll be able to stomach such injustice, but life just isn't fair sometimes.

Those are hardly the only women they could use. For another thing, we have no idea what X-Women will be in a future MCU X-Men movie. They will have about 2+ hours. They won't be able to squeeze everyone in, and a lot of characters aren't going to have the agency that others do.

But why do they have to be satisfied with just that? I mean female superhero fans have had to stomach the injustice for 10 years of most of these movies being male centric and white male centric. So why can't that be different now?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thinking like that is why Maya Hansen was not the main villain in Iron Man 3 and we got that half-baked "Killian is the Mandarin!" nonsense.

Vile, if you think Maya Hansen and Logan are same issue, your logic is flawed. Sorry, it is. This is a strawman argument and you know it. I am not engaging any further. It's a waste of time.

 

[DrCosmic]

Why is X-23's Wolverine the lesser version? Because she's a woman? Isn't that the type of thinking that has to change?

She's literally a clone based on broken/lesser DNA. On top of that, she's less popular, less developed, fewer stories to draw from, fewer themes to draw from and the kind of thinking that has to change is thinking inferior clones of male characters are better options than the best female characters to grace comic books.

If that was the case, they wouldn't have used Hope Pym and Scott Lang instead of Janet Van Dyne and Hank Pym. Hope I think only appeared in what? MC2. She literally has almost no stories to draw from. Yet they made her their modern, current version of The Wasp.

Talk about the exception that proves the rule! Ant-Man took ten years to come out and Edgar Wright got let go because his take didn't agree with the rest of the MCU, and as a result of not using the winning formula, it became the weakest performer since Phase I. You want X-Men to pattern itself after Ant-Man. Kinda says it all, don't it? Definitely not letting that one go.

Those are hardly the only women they could use. For another thing, we have no idea what X-Women will be in a future MCU X-Men movie. They will have about 2+ hours. They won't be able to squeeze everyone in, and a lot of characters aren't going to have the agency that others do.

But why do they have to be satisfied with just that? I mean female superhero fans have had to stomach the injustice for 10 years of most of these movies being male centric and white male centric. So why can't that be different now?

I know right! They probably won't have agency, so don't stomach fan favorite X-Women with decades of X-Men stories that fit the Marvel playbook! Only X-23 can bring us justice! She - and she alone - is the path to giving female characters agency and presence. I present to you, the ideal representative of feminity, the only way to bring gender inclusion to the X-Men mythos, which infamously lacked it sorely before her introduction: Laura Kinney, aka Talon aka X-23 aka The Wolverine, already a fan favorite the world over:

I feel you bro.

 

[Big Bang]

Whispers about Deadpool 2 test screening reportedly not good. If this bombs, maybe this will throw a wrench in any future plans with the character?

 

[Iceman]

Whispers about Deadpool 2 test screening reportedly not good. If this bombs, maybe this will throw a wrench in any future plans with the character?

Would be a huge shame if so.

 

[TheVileOne]

Whispers about Deadpool 2 test screening reportedly not good. If this bombs, maybe this will throw a wrench in any future plans with the character?

Deadpool 2 is not going to bomb. Even if it's an Iron Man 2 situation, it will still do well.

 

[sleekstereo]

Whispers about Deadpool 2 test screening reportedly not good. If this bombs, maybe this will throw a wrench in any future plans with the character?

Collider and Marvel Studios News have both already come out against those reports and said that movie has tested very well in test screenings.

The movie will do just fine.

https://marvelstudiosnews.com/2018/...-despite-rumors-extremely-negative-reactions/

 

[Spiderine]

Deadpool 2 is not going to bomb. Even if it's an Iron Man 2 situation, it will still do well.

It may not bomb but I don't expect it to out gross the first either and I never did.

 

[Big Bang]

Deadpool 2 is not going to bomb. Even if it's an Iron Man 2 situation, it will still do well.

I've read it being described as more of an Alien 3 situation. IM2 type I can deal with no problem.

Collider and Marvel Studios News have both already come out against those reports and said that movie has tested very well in test screenings.

The movie will do just fine.

https://marvelstudiosnews.com/2018/...-despite-rumors-extremely-negative-reactions/

What bugs me is how Fox reportedly reacted towards one of the people conferring some of reports (who hadn't signed a NDA). I would not have given any of the rumors a second thought had they simply not reacted at all and let the film answer on its own.

My concern is that this is Fox. If there is a way to screw something good up, they'll find it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I've read it being described as more of an Alien 3 situation. IM2 type I can deal with no problem.

What bugs me is how Fox reportedly reacted towards one of the people conferring some of reports (who hadn't signed a NDA). I would not have given any of the rumors a second thought had they simply not reacted at all and let the film answer on its own.

My concern is that this is Fox. If there is a way to screw something good up, they'll find it.

If this was a test screening, the person giving details violated a NDA, and studios flat out tell you going in that they will come after you if you violate the NDA. It's a legal documentation you sign before watching the movie.

 

[Big Bang]

If this was a test screening, the person giving details violated a NDA, and studios flat out tell you going in that they will come after you if you violate the NDA. It's a legal documentation you sign before watching the movie.

The person who reported wasn't at the screening. His source was, so he didn't technically violate anything.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The person who reported wasn't at the screening. His source was, so he didn't technically violate anything.

But the other person did, which is why they'd be pursuing it. Studios don't mess around with NDAs. Not just FOX would do something like this, most studios would.