Comics Do you like the unmasking....THE POLL

What do you think?

  • LOVE IT!!!! Opens the door to some great stories.

  • Like it. A good idea, not sure about the execution though.

  • Dislike it. Just seems like a bad idea.

  • HATE IT!! Totally out of character, thanks again Marvel!

  • Not sure yet.


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farmernudie said:
Well, i still don't see how you can say this original statement is factual in any way.

There are tons (tons!!) of examples of him being worried about his secret identity SINCE the 60's....that's all i am saying.

If you read AFTER he dated Gwen, AFTER college, AFTER teh 60's...after EVERYTHING you stated...his secret identity was STILL important to him.

Reading the VERY current stories, which I have, and so have others, ones you are quoting about the new suit and living with the avengers...this is all a very SUDDEN change and doesn't "justify" Spidey dropping EVERYTHING in his whole ENTIRE life and doing a 180....IMO.

However, i find it GREAT that someone is enjoying these storylines...it doesn't bother me that you or anyone enjoys them. I just find it a gross mischaracterization...one that is SO blatant and hard to miss.



Yes, it is prolly just as tiresome for others to hear people say it IS in character for spidey to willing unmask himself too. It seems to me personally, one would have to ignore everything up to the past year maybe (and that's being generous), to accept this. Everyone always points out that he is an avenger now and that Aunt May "approved" this decision...which makes me personally chuckle and shake my head.

I understand that Pete is an avenger now, and that he has a new suit from Iron Man, and that there is a Registration Act....BUT....out of character writing to force along the storyline seems....just THAT to me. MArvel needed a big SHOCKER to sell Civil War. Pete got chosen outta the hat this year for Marvel's Sales Event...someone BIG to go public.....now we all have to deal with it...whether it is logical or not.

But we're all Spidey fans...That's why we're all so opinionated i guess.

And I'm not saying that his secret identity still isn't important to him. Things are vastly different in the Marvel Universe now than they were in the 60's, and the 70's, and the 80's, and the 90's, and even from just a few years ago. He was completely conflicted about the decision, and even after he did it it left a bad feeling in his stomach. Even so that he puked afterward. :spidey:

Because it's true. It is out of character for him to do that.

And nobody has offered one valid shred of reasoning as to why it isn't.

Maybe you believe it's true, but that's not the way it's been portrayed. And I am offering valid reasons you just are disagreeing with those reasons because you dislike the unmasking.
 
SpideyInATree said:
Maybe you believe it's true, but that's not the way it's been portrayed.

Oh that is exactly how its being portrayed. Characters acting completely against their nature.

And I am offering valid reasons

I'm afraid you're not.

Excuses like Tony Stark asked him to do it, or living at Avengers Tower etc are not valid reasons for Peter to do what he did.

Not in a million years.

you just are disagreeing with those reasons because you dislike the unmasking.

And why do I dislike the unmasking?? Because it portrays characters being mischaracterized.
 
He's not being mischaracterized.

When Tony Stark passed the idea by him and Peter Parker immediately said, "Yes, Tony, I'll do it"...THAT would have been out of character. But he thought about it for quite some time and was about to flee the country with MJ and Aunt May.

And then Aunt May stepped up and did what any good mother figure would do, help him make the decision that needed to be made at that moment, knowing full well the amount of pressure that he had come under.

Yeah, I'm sure Peter was factoring in every single thing that happened to him in his past. His dead ex-girlfriend Gwen Stacy. Norman Osborn. All his insane, over obsessed rogues.

With a superhuman registration act being passed. Pressure from Tony Stark. A freakin' line being drawn between superheroes, what the hell was Peter going to do? It's really easy to sit outside the comic book and say, "THAT'S OUT OF CHARACTER! Because in issue *insert issue number of his mentioning how much his secret identity means to him here* he told himself that he could never give up his identity!" That's really easy to do.

No one is taking into account the stress that is laid on him, namely because Tony Stark has his own agendas to make this thing work with the government. Or the amount of pressure because the man who asked this of you has done so many things for you in recent months, especially after you died and were reborn (despite the story sucking). Peter isn't the type of person to just abandon someone because something is important to him, he's about repaying his friends the best way he can. And in one of the issues of Amazing Spider-Man, AFTER he revealed his ID, he told Tony that if anything happened to his Aunt or MJ he was holding HIM personally responsible. And did you notice the absolute CRAPPY mood that he was in during that limo ride? Probably thinking that he didn't make the right decision, but it was something that had to be done.

As I said, people can disagree with the unmasking. I think that's one of the points of the story for Spider-Man fans. There are going to be people upset that he did it, because it is something so important to him, and there are going to be fans who are ecstatic over the reveal because of the great story possibilities that we're going to be getting out of this. But Peter Parker hasn't been taken out of character. People just seem to want to justify they're feeling of anger toward it by coming up with every little detail of Peter Parker/Spider-Man's past that they can to show that he didn't make the right decision. And I think that every Spider-Man fan knows it wasn't the right decision because we're not in that characters shoes and understand the amount of pressure that he's under.

And, honestly, the past few years of Spider-Man stories, namely Sins Past and The Other, do not help in the feelings of most Spider-Man fans when it comes to his unmasking. They blame Quesada...hell...I even saw people blaming BENDIS! And he didn't even have ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! Heh.

But I'm giving you valid reasons here. It's whether you want to put aside your anger toward the unmasking or not.
 
SpideyInATree said:
He's not being mischaracterized.

He is.

When Tony Stark passed the idea by him and Peter Parker immediately said, "Yes, Tony, I'll do it"...THAT would have been out of character. But he thought about it for quite some time and was about to flee the country with MJ and Aunt May.

And that's exactly what the REAL Peter Parker would have done. Rather than put his wife, Aunt, and every friend he has on a silver plate to be a ripe target to any super villain, or piece of scum that decides to get revenge on him.

And then Aunt May stepped up and did what any good mother figure would do, help him make the decision that needed to be made at that moment, knowing full well the amount of pressure that he had come under.

Another mischaracterization.

Aunt May would never tell Peter to do that.

Yeah, I'm sure Peter was factoring in every single thing that happened to him in his past. His dead ex-girlfriend Gwen Stacy. Norman Osborn. All his insane, over obsessed rogues.

That threat was obviously not of any major significance to him. And all that happened when his identity was known by a very select few. Now he goes and tells everyone.

And I remember how he, MJ and Aunt May were scared $hitless when Doc Ock tried to force Spidey to unmask himself in Times Square. And Ock had a threat of war hanging over him. Peter unmasks himself so Tony Stark and his goverment cronies won't come after him.

What an idiot.

With a superhuman registration act being passed. Pressure from Tony Stark. A freakin' line being drawn between superheroes, what the hell was Peter going to do?

He should have done what was best for his loved ones, his friends and himself.

Outing himself to the world is not it.

It's really easy to sit outside the comic book and say, "THAT'S OUT OF CHARACTER! Because in issue *insert issue number of his mentioning how much his secret identity means to him here* he told himself that he could never give up his identity!" That's really easy to do.

I'm not really sure what you mean by this. The Peter Parker we've known for over 40 years would rather die than put his loved ones and friends in a danger like this for the rest of their lives. Always looking over their shoulders when they set foot outside the door etc.

It is out of character. Plain and simple. And no bloody registration act, or Tony Stark and his goverment cronies, would make Peter even consider it.

No one is taking into account the stress that is laid on him, namely because Tony Stark has his own agendas to make this thing work with the government. Or the amount of pressure because the man who asked this of you has done so many things for you in recent months, especially after you died and were reborn (despite the story sucking).

Nobody is taking into account Tony Stark's BS because it means nothing. If Peter was half the man he's been shown to be, he would have told Tony to go and take a flying f**k rather than put his family and friends in danger.

Should their lives be put in danger just because they know Spider-Man?? Peter is a friggin' MORON for doing this.

Peter isn't the type of person to just abandon someone because something is important to him, he's about repaying his friends the best way he can.

Oh yeah, that's really been shown here hasn't it. He stays true blue to his buddy Tony by putting all his other friends at risk by unmasking himself.

What a guy.

And in one of the issues of Amazing Spider-Man, AFTER he revealed his ID, he told Tony that if anything happened to his Aunt or MJ he was holding HIM personally responsible.

So??

What does he want a pat on the back?? Nobody forced you to do it Peter. You had a choice. You could have taken your family and fled.

And did you notice the absolute CRAPPY mood that he was in during that limo ride?

So what??

That doesn't mean jack. He unmasked himself. His moods, facial expressions and little dramatic speeches don't mean anything. He did the unthinkable.

Probably thinking that he didn't make the right decision

He's got that right

but it was something that had to be done.

He's got that wrong.

But Peter Parker hasn't been taken out of character.

I swear to god I don't know how you can think that. It boggles me, it really does.

*Shrug*

People just seem to want to justify they're feeling of anger toward it by coming up with every little detail of Peter Parker/Spider-Man's past that they can to show that he didn't make the right decision.

And they're right.

Right to be angry, right about how Peter's past characterization shows that what he did was completely out of character.

And I think that every Spider-Man fan knows it wasn't the right decision because we're not in that characters shoes and understand the amount of pressure that he's under.

Horse radish.

We're right here reading it, watching the emotions, reading his thoughts etc. We have front row seat where we see every angle of what is going on.

And that's how we know our Spidey is being mischaracterized.

And, honestly, the past few years of Spider-Man stories, namely Sins Past and The Other, do not help in the feelings of most Spider-Man fans when it comes to his unmasking.

And you know why?? Because its ample PROOF that Marvel are just on a ride of cheap shocks with Spidey. One after another. Doesn't matter how badly the characters are written to try and pull it off.

So the negative feelings from the Spidey fans towards this is 100% justified.

They blame Quesada...hell...I even saw people blaming BENDIS! And he didn't even have ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! Heh.

Queseda is in charge. So it's valid to blame him. He's the idiot that comes up with or gives the green light to these lame brain ideas. But blaming Bendis is stupid.

But I'm giving you valid reasons here.

You're not SIAT. If anything you've just proven just how weak this whole unmasking thing is.

It's whether you want to put aside your anger toward the unmasking or not.

Anger has nothing to do with it.

Logic is what it's all about. And what Peter has done is illogical, idiotic, and out of character.
 
I am offering valid reasons you just are disagreeing with those reasons because you dislike the unmasking.

I am disagreeing because i've collected Spdier-man, read Spider-man, every TITLE....since the 70's...and that includes all the way up till now....AND BECAUSE everything i've read and known of Spidey thru the years tells me "personally" that Peter wouldn't do that. It is my view i've taken away from doing major reading of spidey which i've thoroughly enjoyed thru the years, and not just because i "dislike the umasking."
It is just my understanding personally of the character.

That's just me.

Some people, like you, have bought into the total change in "WRITING" of Spidey's recent characterization...which is fine...i just see it as forcing a puzzle piece into Civil War....SOMEONE needed to be unmasked in this storyline...Spidey is a big shocker of a character to do it with, because it IS indeed so outta character. It made the stinkin' NEWS for pete's sake. On tv. ON Yahoo online...everywhere.... Do you think if they had unmasked Iron Fist that woulda happened or that it'd increase sales the way spidey unmasked would???

This was for sales....not for keeping continuity...or for being in character...pure and simple. No one should fool themselves on that point.
 
farmernudie said:

This was for sales....not for keeping continuity...or for being in character...pure and simple. No one should fool themselves on that point.


100% TRUE.
 
It seems to me that SpideyInATree is playing Devil's advocate here; like none of the recent changes bother him & they're all 100% defensible.
 
Sorry, but it is absolute folly to believe that Peter Parker wasn't out of character when he unmasked himself.

Was he under pressure...yes.

He's been under far worse pressure before, and he managed not to ever do anything this utterly stupid.

If they wanted to reveal Peter's secret ID to the world, they should hav esimply had him register at Tony request, after a lot of talk with MJ and Aunt May, WITHOUT having him unmask publicly, and then have his identity leaked, along with all the other registered heroes IDs, to the public by some villian, hacker, etc.

Then, it would have been in character. As it is, Peter wouldn't reveal his identity unless Galactus was about to eat the planet...and even then, he'd look for an alternative.
 
shinlyle said:
Sorry, but it is absolute folly to believe that Peter Parker wasn't out of character when he unmasked himself.

Was he under pressure...yes.

He's been under far worse pressure before, and he managed not to ever do anything this utterly stupid.

If they wanted to reveal Peter's secret ID to the world, they should hav esimply had him register at Tony request, after a lot of talk with MJ and Aunt May, WITHOUT having him unmask publicly, and then have his identity leaked, along with all the other registered heroes IDs, to the public by some villian, hacker, etc.

Then, it would have been in character. As it is, Peter wouldn't reveal his identity unless Galactus was about to eat the planet...and even then, he'd look for an alternative.
that makes sense
 
shinlyle said:
Sorry, but it is absolute folly to believe that Peter Parker wasn't out of character when he unmasked himself.

Was he under pressure...yes.

He's been under far worse pressure before, and he managed not to ever do anything this utterly stupid.

If they wanted to reveal Peter's secret ID to the world, they should hav esimply had him register at Tony request, after a lot of talk with MJ and Aunt May, WITHOUT having him unmask publicly, and then have his identity leaked, along with all the other registered heroes IDs, to the public by some villian, hacker, etc.

Then, it would have been in character. As it is, Peter wouldn't reveal his identity unless Galactus was about to eat the planet...and even then, he'd look for an alternative.
I could've swallowed that. Hell, I could've even swallowed some big-time baddie buying the Identity Disc. Anything but him willfully giving up the identity he's fought so hard to protect.
 
I would have preferred Spider-HAM becoming a villain and selling out Spidey's secret ID to the media or something....anythign but Peter voluntarily unmasking in fron of the world.
 
Maybe we have a different definition of "in character" than those who defend the unmasking; to me, it means "following a logical progression established by the character's known previous experiences & behavior". Not "inexplicably changing one's behavior due to circumstances which have been faced before on different levels". Registration Act be damned. Iron Man be damned. Public approval be damned. There is simply no logic to Peter's recent actions.
 
Chris Wallace said:
Maybe we have a different definition of "in character" than those who defend the unmasking; to me, it means "following a logical progression established by the character's known previous experiences & behavior". Not "inexplicably changing one's behavior due to circumstances which have been faced before on different levels". Registration Act be damned. Iron Man be damned. Public approval be damned. There is simply no logic to Peter's recent actions.

Damn right :up:

How anyone can think that the Peter Parker we have now in the comics is the Peter Parker we've known from the past 40 years is beyond me. Current Peter is a moron of the highest degree.

Spidey is just damaged goods right now. He is being ripped apart by talentless and careless hacks at Marvel. They don't give a s*** what they do to him so long as the $$$$ keeps coming in.
 
What's funny is, w/all the complaints about Ultimate, it's still a better Peter Parker than we have in 616. One who smacked Nick Fury b/c he thought Fury was being full of $h!t. One who's paranoid about revealing himself to other heroes, much less the world. One who'd rather cut MJ loose than risk her life. One who'd rather give up the hero biz than put any of his loved ones in danger. One who only came out to Aunt May because he was in a corner & had run out of lies. ONE WHO WOULD NEVER UNMASK & SAY HIS NAME IN A PRESS CONFERENCE, NO MATTER WHO TOLD HIM HE SHOULD.
 
And I won't go as far as to call them talentless; they just lack vision.
 
Chris Wallace said:
What's funny is, w/all the complaints about Ultimate, it's still a better Peter Parker than we have in 616. One who smacked Nick Fury b/c he thought Fury was being full of $h!t. One who's paranoid about revealing himself to other heroes, much less the world. One who'd rather cut MJ loose than risk her life. One who'd rather give up the hero biz than put any of his loved ones in danger. One who only came out to Aunt May because he was in a corner & had run out of lies. ONE WHO WOULD NEVER UNMASK & SAY HIS NAME IN A PRESS CONFERENCE, NO MATTER WHO TOLD HIM HE SHOULD.

Yup. It's amazing...USM, the derivative Spider-Man, is now a better Spider-man than the original....
 
USMC said:
USM is Spider-Man. 616 is crap.
i have heard no truer words

fact is, 616 Spidey is now Iron Man's b****
Tony: Here Pete, wear this suit!
Peter: Ok!
Tony: Hey Pete, maybe you should reveal your identity!
Peter: Um...ok.
Tony: Say Pete, do you mind fighting Cap for me?
Peter: Well...
Tony: Thanks, I owe you one.
 
Ever play the USM game? Fury would order Pete NOT to do something b/c he knew that was the only way to get him to do it.
 
Chris Wallace said:
Ever play the USM game? Fury would order Pete NOT to do something b/c he knew that was the only way to get him to do it.
i know
USM - amazing
ASM - i wouldn't even use the new issues to wipe my ***
 
Chris Wallace said:
It seems to me that SpideyInATree is playing Devil's advocate here; like none of the recent changes bother him & they're all 100% defensible.

I'm not playing devil's advocate. I'm here giving valid reasons as to why the mask was taken off. People just aren't agreeing with me. Here's how I'm going to make the comparison and nobody take offense. I'm like a left wing liberal Democrat being surrounded by a bunch of conservative right wing Republicans. I'm not going to get heard correctly because everyone has already made up their mind.

There are a lot of recent things in Spider-Man that have happened that I think have been horrible. I like that he joined the Avengers. I like the new suit, for what it is, and I like that he unmasked. And I'll like it when they get rid of MJ. :p

I am disagreeing because i've collected Spdier-man, read Spider-man, every TITLE....since the 70's...and that includes all the way up till now....AND BECAUSE everything i've read and known of Spidey thru the years tells me "personally" that Peter wouldn't do that. It is my view i've taken away from doing major reading of spidey which i've thoroughly enjoyed thru the years, and not just because i "dislike the umasking."
It is just my understanding personally of the character.

And the stories I've read tell me "personally" that he's not been written out of character. And this is my view on it. As I said in a post earlier in this thread. I'm not right or wrong. And neither are you or anybody else when it comes to being upset or not upset. I don't think he's been out of character and it's right there in front of your face if you have read the stories leading up to it, and with the added plot thread of the Superhuman Registration Act. If you want to keep believing that he's out of character and everybody else, I'm obviously not going to change that.

And, unfortunately, you or the plethora of posters I'm being barraged by, heh...are not going to change my mind. I'm enjoying the hell out of this storyline and I wish everyone else here could enjoy it along with me.

It would also be nice if some of these "so called posters" who also enjoy the unmasking would sort of enter the fray here, but I suppose I'm the only one brave enough to be a mouthpiece for the other side of things around here. :spidey:
 
I've also noticed that in New Avengers-also written by Bendis-Spidey keeps complaining or making little comments about the suit, like when Magneto's powers came back & he said "Thanks for the METAL suit."
 
I think it is fine if someone says they like and enjoy the unmasking storylines....and leave it at that. This can be possible...and i believe it that they may indeed like it...and that's cool.

There may even be the group of people out there who enjoy the unmasking storyline yet know it is not in character. That's cool too.

But....i don't know how anyone can take it the next step further and say (type) with a straight face thatthey like it and proclaim that "it is in character".

Obviously if they say that...

a.) They've not been reading the same Spidey comics i've been reading for too many years...

b.) They don't find it odd core continuity of a character is flushed.

c.) They see Spidey as a moron to begin with.

d.) They just enjoy playing devil's advocate and arguing an opposing view.

I've read too many threads and have yet to see any reason anywhere that doesn't make me chuckle, as to why it is so in character for Spider-Man to suddenly go against years and years of character building and and learning, from his lifetime of stories.

I don't know how many times i've read someone back it up with...."well, aunt may supported him to unmask."

That statement is hilarious and there should be threads to how far aunt may is out of character too. She is wise and after everything they (her) have gone through she wouldn't do that, or say that. Writers can put any words in anyone's mouths suddenly in any storyline and ignore everything that person has ever done and said culminating to that point. That makes the storyline even WEAKER in my view, because the writer doesn't even care to look into the character and get it right.

That is like a movie writer coming on to shoot a new Karate Kid Movie, but the new script writer ignores all past history and makes the hero a sissy politician, who shrieks at the site of karate kicks and/or violent comics/videogames. Then they make Mr. Miagyi say to the karate kid, "it is ok to be a wuss daniel-son....you'll never have to wax-on ever again!"

And then Karate Kid fan boards are then flooded with letters about how moronic the karate kid is acting...but a few board writers point out that it is in character for the karate kid to be more concerned with burning Grand Theft Auto then to fight in the next karate tournament. And heck, Mr. Miagyi even told him not to fight.
:cool:
 
I've also noticed that in New Avengers-also written by Bendis-Spidey keeps complaining or making little comments about the suit, like when Magneto's powers came back & he said "Thanks for the METAL suit."
So I'm inclined to believe that Bendis isn't too thrilled about the recent moves they've made either.
 
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