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Artistsean said:
Five years? Wow.
You know a WHOLE HELL OF A LOT can happen in a comic book in five real life years. Like five years ago from now people on this board loved JMS and there was no Sins Past or The Other. And all that jazz.
I'd say give it a year for the Civil War stuff to die down, probably less than a year, with the way Marvel loves jumping from event to event these days.
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I was just trying to give it enough time to die down and for there to be very little trace of Civil War. I figured that Civil War will end soon, then after it ends there might be a sequal of sorts or the after math that wont end for another year. Then a year for things to get back to normal and a year for the whole Peter's ID issue to ge dealt with, for it to be the focus of his comic. I said about 5 years cuase I figured by that time it wont be that HUGE of an issue, thats if its still around.
I was just trying to give a time period that would for sure be way beyond Civil War and a time where if its still around they can focus on Peter's revealed ID, plus thats my point too. A lot can happen in that time.
Maybe They do something that reverts Peter's ID to a secret again, or maybe they will try and keep this idea and see what happens.
Personally I would like to see it stick around at least for a few years, see what happens. I mean Aunt May knowing about his secret may have seemed to be a bad idea, but looks how thats turned out. Maybe this will give some new and fresh ideas to Spider-man comics.
If the public knowing his ID is a huge success then it will still be around in 5 years, if not it most likely wont. I guess thats my point.
I was just trying to give a time period that would for sure be way beyond Civil War and a time where if its still around they can focus on Peter's revealed ID, plus thats my point too. A lot can happen in that time.
Maybe They do something that reverts Peter's ID to a secret again, or maybe they will try and keep this idea and see what happens.
Personally I would like to see it stick around at least for a few years, see what happens. I mean Aunt May knowing about his secret may have seemed to be a bad idea, but looks how thats turned out. Maybe this will give some new and fresh ideas to Spider-man comics.
If the public knowing his ID is a huge success then it will still be around in 5 years, if not it most likely wont. I guess thats my point.
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I suppose I would be one of those "cynics" who doesn't like the Unmasking concept for Spider-Man at all. Admittedly, I've read very little of the core Spidey books for the past 11+ years, only rarely going on some peeks and stretches (and keeping vaguely abreast via Wizard, the Internet, and store page-flippings) . I am on ASM for CW and likely will leave it. So if that makes me too "ignorant" for this opinion to be taken seriously, then you may skip it.
But to me, the Unmasking is simply yet another thing that Marvel has done to Spider-Man within the past 1-2 years that has sought to make him more of a generic superhero, not unlike someone you would read about at DC, like The Flash. And some of that, to be honest, isn't entirely the fault of the current "regime" at Marvel. In a way it's the fault of Spider-Man's "formula" being so successful. Marvel Comics in the 60's started making their name with very "human" heroes with more fiobles and soap-opera esque concerns than other books, and Spider-Man really hit it off. He had to juggle his hero and civilian responsibilities in a way that solo heroes rarely did (the Fantastic Four, which predated Spidey by at least a year, also had some bits of that, but they were a team; if Reed had a problem, he could talk to Sue or Ben. Who did Peter have?). Fans really liked it and Spider-Man in a way became a symbol of that. And naturally, like any trendsetter, his "formula" got copied, altered, changed, and so forth for countless other books across the spectrum that it got more generic, much as Superman had before. Plus, Spider-Man as a concept has been going strong for a good 40+ years, and so to say that nearly every storyline that was worth exploring had probably been explored is an understatement. Lord knows there have been no end of wonky "shocking" changes to Spidey's universe over the past 15 years which was supposed to "fix" him, from Clone Sagas to The Other and all that.
But despite all that, you can't fully abandon Spider-Man's roots, otherwise he loses what made HIM unique and simply becomes just another fella in a mask and spandex, who are a dime a dozen. And removing that barrier between superhero life and civilian life is the KEY to Spider-Man. Without that he's just a wisecracking bright red hero, like the Flash, or countless others. Unfortunately, comics today have abandoned a lot of that "fantasy" element and have become more cynical and mired in reality to some extent, due to times changing and audience expectations. In real life, the Unabomber was unknown until his family sold him out, and the Zodiak Killer is still a mystery. But in comics, people have a hard time believing that a secret identity could be maintained, especially when for dramatic effect, the supporting casts of our heroes always get into trouble. Bendis did the unmasking in DAREDEVIL, and it got a lot of hoopla and he made gravy with it. An unmasking is both a last resort and can be a revival. But the problem is that it runs its course very, very quickly. THE FLASH did it and that ran dry in less than 3-4 years. It's not something like, say, the inclusion of the Hobgoblin or Venom or even Gloria Grant that lasts for over a decade or two. Spider-Man was the hard luck hero. Even other superheroes usually found him annoying or whatnot. He'd team up and all that but he wasn't a team guy.
And then Joe Q and the powers that be decide to try something new, so they make him an Avenger. I guess if you want the Avengers to be a group of Marvel's Best and Brightest, Spider-Man was long overdo for regular membership. But they WEREN'T. The Avengers was a team of characters who for whatever reason didn't have their own books at the time. The same can be said of a lot of team characters and rosters. Spider-Man would have joined the Avengers decades ago if that was the case; Wolverine never became a serious rival for his popularity until the late 80's. And the Hulk certainly became more popular than Black Knight or something, why not keep him an Avenger? But, he becomes an Avenger. I suppose that could work, the Avengers have less resources, Spider-Man has experience.
Only they do more than that. They have Spider-Man move into a Penthouse with his wife and family. Much like every superhero now, he has a shiney pad that no fan could afford, a step removed from a Spider-Cave. And he's inept as a New Avenger on the core title. So it seemed like a waste. But maybe that was NA's fault. But the point is that attaching him to his world's JLA equalivent made him more like the other superheroes, and more generic.
On top of this, his supporting cast virtually vanished. JMS came up with making Peter a teacher, and that would have and should have been a GOLD MINE for a cast of new supporting characters to give JJ and Betty a rest for a while. But instead, aside for MJ and Aunt May (who, give JMS credit, he made her a bit more interesting for the modern era, in trying to imitate Bendis' younger, middle aged May) Peter doesn't talk to anyone who isn't a superhero much, unless they're plot centric like Charlie-who-turns-superpowered and all that. He just does his superhero thing and comes home, he doesn't have that seperate, civilian lifestyle. I am sure there was a way to keep that and make him an Avenger still, but they didn't take it.
On top of one "shocking" status quo event after the other for Spider-Man, CIVIL WAR happened and that was a company wide crossover. Had the unmasking felt like a natural progression in the core titles, maybe it would have swallowed better. But they were eager for a "BARRY ALLEN IN CRISIS" esque moment. So he develops a relationship with Stark for the sole purpose of making it dramatic when they become rivals, and little more; they could have gotten him on the pro SHRA in the beginning by simply strengthing his friendly bond with Mr. Fantastic (I can't count how many times Spider-Man went to the Four for help), but chose not to. That made it feel more forced and plot convient. And then he unmasks, basically, to fuel the event. The rest of the books are stuck playing catch up.
What does the unmasking do, most of all? No, not endanger his cast; they got into enough trouble without anyone knowing who he was (Doc Ock kidnaps Aunt May, and so on), but it also removes that seperation between civilian life and superhero life for Spider-Man. It SHATTERS it, and in a way that is far beyond a team membership. Spider-Man could always leave the Avengers, even move out of the Tower. But an unmasking takes cheesy stuff to undo. It's not as easy to negate it when the story inevitably runs its course. Now he HAS NO CIVILIAN LIFE, all he IS is Spider-Man. And that's GENERIC. That's Superman. How often did Clark have a life? No, he was Clark just to do a job and so on and Superman was his life. He rarely had civilian friends, he'd talk to whoever was on the Justice League or whatever space cousin he was babysitting, aside for Lois and Perry. Spider-Man was supposed to be a polished new version of what a superhero could be, and I find it almost saddening that his invotation has become so generic that all Spidey can do, seemingly, is go full circle and do the same thing that Superman and Flash do.
It's IMPOSSIBLE for Peter Parker to have a civilian life now. Everyone knows he is Spider-Man, and unlike Murdock, who at least maintained some element of doubt, Peter openly admitted it several times. That soap opera appeal is gone, that dynamic is gone, and he's just a typical superhero. He may as well have a base with pop-out computers and fight Video Man with Iceman and Firestar now. And even THAT team didn't totally take away that dynamic. Everyone is jazzed up about the unmasking about what "possibilities" the story offers. Really, what does it offer? People will either love or hate Peter due to it, well, that's nothing new. The "shock" appeal will get boring quickly. The reactions will become generic. And it removes all reason to wear a mask when facing an enemy when they all can call him Parker now. It also traps May and MJ and his supporting cast out of civilian lives as they all have Peter's infamy on them and have to be in perennial witness protection.
I see the unmasking as yet another publicity stunt from a Marvel that would rather make waves than sail happily. And it will run it's course eventually and then in the snap of a finger, it will be gone. But if it doesn't...then what made Spider-Man popular in the first place is gone. They would thus be stuck taking a schtick that has worked for over 40 years and making a new schtick for him to replace it, something that is nigh impossible. And I like Spider-Man too much to see him become just as interchangable as many of DC's heroes are (at least to a Marvel Zombie like me, I do read some DC books).
This doesn't even mention Marvel's utter loathing of his marriage.
But to me, the Unmasking is simply yet another thing that Marvel has done to Spider-Man within the past 1-2 years that has sought to make him more of a generic superhero, not unlike someone you would read about at DC, like The Flash. And some of that, to be honest, isn't entirely the fault of the current "regime" at Marvel. In a way it's the fault of Spider-Man's "formula" being so successful. Marvel Comics in the 60's started making their name with very "human" heroes with more fiobles and soap-opera esque concerns than other books, and Spider-Man really hit it off. He had to juggle his hero and civilian responsibilities in a way that solo heroes rarely did (the Fantastic Four, which predated Spidey by at least a year, also had some bits of that, but they were a team; if Reed had a problem, he could talk to Sue or Ben. Who did Peter have?). Fans really liked it and Spider-Man in a way became a symbol of that. And naturally, like any trendsetter, his "formula" got copied, altered, changed, and so forth for countless other books across the spectrum that it got more generic, much as Superman had before. Plus, Spider-Man as a concept has been going strong for a good 40+ years, and so to say that nearly every storyline that was worth exploring had probably been explored is an understatement. Lord knows there have been no end of wonky "shocking" changes to Spidey's universe over the past 15 years which was supposed to "fix" him, from Clone Sagas to The Other and all that.
But despite all that, you can't fully abandon Spider-Man's roots, otherwise he loses what made HIM unique and simply becomes just another fella in a mask and spandex, who are a dime a dozen. And removing that barrier between superhero life and civilian life is the KEY to Spider-Man. Without that he's just a wisecracking bright red hero, like the Flash, or countless others. Unfortunately, comics today have abandoned a lot of that "fantasy" element and have become more cynical and mired in reality to some extent, due to times changing and audience expectations. In real life, the Unabomber was unknown until his family sold him out, and the Zodiak Killer is still a mystery. But in comics, people have a hard time believing that a secret identity could be maintained, especially when for dramatic effect, the supporting casts of our heroes always get into trouble. Bendis did the unmasking in DAREDEVIL, and it got a lot of hoopla and he made gravy with it. An unmasking is both a last resort and can be a revival. But the problem is that it runs its course very, very quickly. THE FLASH did it and that ran dry in less than 3-4 years. It's not something like, say, the inclusion of the Hobgoblin or Venom or even Gloria Grant that lasts for over a decade or two. Spider-Man was the hard luck hero. Even other superheroes usually found him annoying or whatnot. He'd team up and all that but he wasn't a team guy.
And then Joe Q and the powers that be decide to try something new, so they make him an Avenger. I guess if you want the Avengers to be a group of Marvel's Best and Brightest, Spider-Man was long overdo for regular membership. But they WEREN'T. The Avengers was a team of characters who for whatever reason didn't have their own books at the time. The same can be said of a lot of team characters and rosters. Spider-Man would have joined the Avengers decades ago if that was the case; Wolverine never became a serious rival for his popularity until the late 80's. And the Hulk certainly became more popular than Black Knight or something, why not keep him an Avenger? But, he becomes an Avenger. I suppose that could work, the Avengers have less resources, Spider-Man has experience.
Only they do more than that. They have Spider-Man move into a Penthouse with his wife and family. Much like every superhero now, he has a shiney pad that no fan could afford, a step removed from a Spider-Cave. And he's inept as a New Avenger on the core title. So it seemed like a waste. But maybe that was NA's fault. But the point is that attaching him to his world's JLA equalivent made him more like the other superheroes, and more generic.
On top of this, his supporting cast virtually vanished. JMS came up with making Peter a teacher, and that would have and should have been a GOLD MINE for a cast of new supporting characters to give JJ and Betty a rest for a while. But instead, aside for MJ and Aunt May (who, give JMS credit, he made her a bit more interesting for the modern era, in trying to imitate Bendis' younger, middle aged May) Peter doesn't talk to anyone who isn't a superhero much, unless they're plot centric like Charlie-who-turns-superpowered and all that. He just does his superhero thing and comes home, he doesn't have that seperate, civilian lifestyle. I am sure there was a way to keep that and make him an Avenger still, but they didn't take it.
On top of one "shocking" status quo event after the other for Spider-Man, CIVIL WAR happened and that was a company wide crossover. Had the unmasking felt like a natural progression in the core titles, maybe it would have swallowed better. But they were eager for a "BARRY ALLEN IN CRISIS" esque moment. So he develops a relationship with Stark for the sole purpose of making it dramatic when they become rivals, and little more; they could have gotten him on the pro SHRA in the beginning by simply strengthing his friendly bond with Mr. Fantastic (I can't count how many times Spider-Man went to the Four for help), but chose not to. That made it feel more forced and plot convient. And then he unmasks, basically, to fuel the event. The rest of the books are stuck playing catch up.
What does the unmasking do, most of all? No, not endanger his cast; they got into enough trouble without anyone knowing who he was (Doc Ock kidnaps Aunt May, and so on), but it also removes that seperation between civilian life and superhero life for Spider-Man. It SHATTERS it, and in a way that is far beyond a team membership. Spider-Man could always leave the Avengers, even move out of the Tower. But an unmasking takes cheesy stuff to undo. It's not as easy to negate it when the story inevitably runs its course. Now he HAS NO CIVILIAN LIFE, all he IS is Spider-Man. And that's GENERIC. That's Superman. How often did Clark have a life? No, he was Clark just to do a job and so on and Superman was his life. He rarely had civilian friends, he'd talk to whoever was on the Justice League or whatever space cousin he was babysitting, aside for Lois and Perry. Spider-Man was supposed to be a polished new version of what a superhero could be, and I find it almost saddening that his invotation has become so generic that all Spidey can do, seemingly, is go full circle and do the same thing that Superman and Flash do.
It's IMPOSSIBLE for Peter Parker to have a civilian life now. Everyone knows he is Spider-Man, and unlike Murdock, who at least maintained some element of doubt, Peter openly admitted it several times. That soap opera appeal is gone, that dynamic is gone, and he's just a typical superhero. He may as well have a base with pop-out computers and fight Video Man with Iceman and Firestar now. And even THAT team didn't totally take away that dynamic. Everyone is jazzed up about the unmasking about what "possibilities" the story offers. Really, what does it offer? People will either love or hate Peter due to it, well, that's nothing new. The "shock" appeal will get boring quickly. The reactions will become generic. And it removes all reason to wear a mask when facing an enemy when they all can call him Parker now. It also traps May and MJ and his supporting cast out of civilian lives as they all have Peter's infamy on them and have to be in perennial witness protection.
I see the unmasking as yet another publicity stunt from a Marvel that would rather make waves than sail happily. And it will run it's course eventually and then in the snap of a finger, it will be gone. But if it doesn't...then what made Spider-Man popular in the first place is gone. They would thus be stuck taking a schtick that has worked for over 40 years and making a new schtick for him to replace it, something that is nigh impossible. And I like Spider-Man too much to see him become just as interchangable as many of DC's heroes are (at least to a Marvel Zombie like me, I do read some DC books).
This doesn't even mention Marvel's utter loathing of his marriage.
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So just to summarize what Dread said: He hates the idea, he think its a gimmick and they abandoned his roots.
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dread i'd agree with you too if i hadn't read any spidey comics for 10 years.. but the "soap" arch has kinda been gone for a while and just now have they brought that angle back actually... why? because for the last prob 4-5 years or so.. spideys supporting cast has been all but missing... its not the identity imo that made it a soap, it was his cast. spidey no longer works at the bugle.. so there you lose jameson, robbie, betty brant, and glory grant... harry and gwen are dead, flash had amnesia, deb, connors and liz were all but forgoten... all he really had was felicia.. who for a while was missing as well... hell in the early 2000's all he had was mj... till her plane blew up and he had a really horrible and easy forgitable cast of "roomies" when he was single again.. Jms brought back aunt may and actually made her more iconic and more interesting imo then she has ever been before.. as well as useful (the one thing JMS did right btw) MJ was found alive, the 2 were together.. then split... then came back (fans demanded it, wich is honestly why marvel wont touch MJ... we know joey Q thinks the marriage was the worst thing to happen to spidey but even he himself has recently said "killing her off would be a far greater mistake" so like it or not, shes staying.
recently the "soap" style is returning.. and the classic feel is coming back, not through amazing, but through friendly neighborhood and sensational... Flash is now the gym coach at the school where peter teaches... the unmasking has brought back old villains who are furious and many are classic villains we havent seen for ages... (chameleon, molten man, mysterio, swarm, vermin, scarecrow, will-o' the wisp, stergon, puma, etc) Liz and normie were just recently shown, as was liz... all because of the unmasking... and imo its working... and its starting to tell really good and interesting stories.. something thats been lacking in the spidey books for quite a while
recently the "soap" style is returning.. and the classic feel is coming back, not through amazing, but through friendly neighborhood and sensational... Flash is now the gym coach at the school where peter teaches... the unmasking has brought back old villains who are furious and many are classic villains we havent seen for ages... (chameleon, molten man, mysterio, swarm, vermin, scarecrow, will-o' the wisp, stergon, puma, etc) Liz and normie were just recently shown, as was liz... all because of the unmasking... and imo its working... and its starting to tell really good and interesting stories.. something thats been lacking in the spidey books for quite a while
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Yeah, Marvel's people feed us that line of bull too. "Oh, our supporting cast are all missing for ____ and he's married so we can't relive our youths with hot romances". Yeah, it's nice that Flash is back, but with amnesia? And besides, a school should be a GOLD MINE for new characters. Fellow Teachers. Kids. Sanitation workers. Parents of kids. Etc. Maybe if writers put more time into that then trying to make "their" villian, they would be more memorable. Look at Slott's SHE-HULK. He created some supporting characters from scratch. And why can't Peter sell photos part time anyway? No teacher I know is happy about their pay. He would always set up a camera, anyway, and it was freelance. If J.J. won't pay him now there always was others. They could have done the best of both. But Marvel likes making things harder than they should be.spideyboy_1111 said:
Old villians could have come back and been done well anyway. The unmasking is just an easy excuse. "Oh, we know who you are now" is an easy gimmick. It's what ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN has relied on, oh, for most of it's arcs.
I feel that all this "classic feel" could have easily been done without the unmasking, had the writers been more competant. Old villians could have been good. Liz, Flash, and Normie could have returned. New castmates could have been invented. The Unmasking is just an easy excuse.
Exactly! That is why the "unmasking" ploy has to be done very, very, very rarely. For F's sake, how many times have they backtracked with Iron Man? And HE needed to become a supervillian to become interesting (yes, yes, he has a reason, but so does Magneto, and countless other "good intentions but bad in scoring objectives and that is why you cannot root for them" type figures that Marvel does well).COMICBOY said:
But, no, this was done to win points for shock value. I refuse to believe whatever Spider-books are being written competantly couldn't have been without him being unmasked. The story points unmasking reveals fade in a very short time. Then you get a "now what" sort of appeal. Again, Peter has lacked a civilian life for a good long time now, and outright MAKING THAT IMPOSSIBLE is not the best thing to do for him, IMO.
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well right now its spewing great stories out... but we all know eventually he will be secret again...Zoken said:
easy ways out...
-scarlet witch (prob wont happen though, she wouldnt do it to only effect peter)
- some magical being or god grants peter a wish for all his hard work and life of pain and grief, after someone he loves dies... and essentially the "being" brings the loved one back, as well as makes the world forget...
-Ben Reilley... some how kaine or ben rielley return.. and ben or kaine some how takes the heat off peter stating that they are the true spider-man
and thats all i can think of at the moment
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Dread said:
maybe so, but i find it much more interesting this way... because marvel has been "trying" to tell interesting stories with old villains since the relaunch.. and VERY few have honestly been. its been about 7 years or so to be honest... maybe more.. they also have tried bringing in new characters but fans want the old... the classics are what people want to see to be honest, esp when it comes to spider-man, they hate change period. plus his old friends shouldnt just "dissapear" esp how close they use to be... right now peter was really upset that flash had amnesia and completely forgot how much of a friend they were, and at his school they have brought in a nurse.. who seems to like flash, but she might just have an alterior motive... spidey world imo has went from an all time low (sins past (wich i did like, but by the end it wasnt so great), and the other (wich was horrible)), to stuff thats actually becoming relevant, fresh, and bringing what was sorely missed back. Cop out or not marvels been "trying" for nearly 10 years to bring good stories back to spidey.. and imo there back on the right track
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Or the "Doubt Method", the one DD uses a lot. Have someone else run around in the costume and even unmask, claim Parker is a hoax (hell, Mysterio was able to impersonate Spidey well enough) so then Marvel could do what it usually tries to do, a "have cake/eat it too" solution that pleases no one but the writers where there'd be doubt that Peter is Spider-Man but most people could assume it. Then any writer could have a villian call him Parker 400 times or target his workplace, or if they're more stable in a "it still is a secret" style then they can do that too.spideyboy_1111 said:
And I still feel that "they needed the Unmasking to motivate them to bring back Flash, Liz, etc" just lets the unimaginative off the hook too easy. People where clamouring for that stuff for YEARS before the unmasking. So there's no excuse.
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Dread said:
possibly.. but if im not mistaken things have already went that route... and its much harder now because people have actually seen his mask of while in the act...
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Exactly. In some ways it's harder to undo than a death. Hence why it should be done sparing, and when done, only after careful consideration and an actual plan is made to adjust a character who as relied on one thing for over a quarter of a damned century to rely on something else and not become generic, instead of, "oh, I bet CW #2 would sell like ____ if we..."spideyboy_1111 said:
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meh i dont see it like that... in this day in age most marvel heroes dont have a secret identity.. esp the "heavy hitters" spidey will eventually go back.. but right now im enjoying the change... and really likeing seeing what is happening since people know... hell half his villains new anyway (or so we were left (do they or dont they know) due to osborn in MK's spidey
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The problem is that most Marvel heroes didn't rely on that seperation like Spider-Man did, in both mythos and in his interaction with a wide civilian cast. They either didn't have that cast, or their identities weren't a huge concern, or their supporting cast were all superheroes anyway, or so on.spideyboy_1111 said:
To me, a villian knowing the hero's identity used to be a big honking deal. Now, it's nothing. They just increase the ones that know to get lazy and then do the whole shebang by unmasking.
Admittedly, I am a hypocrite because in a fan-fic I did 4 years ago revamping the Scorpian, I had him deduce Spider-Man's identity via looking at police files and seeing that his life always was linked to Peter Parker. But I'm not being paid, so I still can claim moral highground.
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Dread said:The problem is that most Marvel heroes didn't rely on that seperation like Spider-Man did, in both mythos and in his interaction with a wide civilian cast. They either didn't have that cast, or their identities weren't a huge concern, or their supporting cast were all superheroes anyway, or so on.
To me, a villian knowing the hero's identity used to be a big honking deal. Now, it's nothing. They just increase the ones that know to get lazy and then do the whole shebang by unmasking.
Admittedly, I am a hypocrite because in a fan-fic I did 4 years ago revamping the Scorpian, I had him deduce Spider-Man's identity via looking at police files and seeing that his life always was linked to Peter Parker. But I'm not being paid, so I still can claim moral highground.
you also dont read spidey comics... and i have been for quite a while.. (including back issues of course)
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all im saying is its nice to see a fresh, interesting change
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Not too regularly for a while, no. I've only been on ASM since the Prelude. I randomly read other books from time to time. I just was never given a reason to return to one, and this isn't going to be it. Admittedly, I was probably the perfect target reader for SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED, but that ship has sailed.spideyboy_1111 said:
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well reading AMZ for civil war only isnt going to give you the heart of it wich has been going on... your not getting imo the "good" spidey stories... best spidey comic in a long time was the most recent sensational issue, dealing with MJ.... it was hands down amazing... prob my favorite issue in a long timeDread said:
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I flipped through that one. MJ angsting and then Peter's on the floor mangled, right? Yeah, I heard good things about it. Even if MJ has angsted about the dangers of her/their life 8 trillion times.spideyboy_1111 said:
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