Comics Do you like the unmasking....THE POLL

[The Joker]

That's not a mischaracterization either. I seem to recall when she found out he was Spider-Man that she was on a crusade to have people stop bad mouthing him and even wrote a letter to Jameson about it.

So?? There's a huge difference between trying to upgrade Spidey's reputation and outing himself to every person on the planet.

Also, you're not taking into account the registration act or the fact that Tony Stark asked Peter to do it.

Oh Tony Stark asked him to do it. That's ok then. If Tony asked him to run naked thru Times Square he'd probably do that too Tony asking him means nothing. The registration act means nothing. If this was the real Peter Parker, he would have flat out refused to put himself and his loved ones on a silver plate for every evil piece of scum he's ever crossed.

What, you think that just because they sleep at the Avengers tower at night that makes them safe 24/7?? They're dumber than I thought if they believe that.

Aunt May just didn't want to see her nephew, who is pretty much like her son, have to keep hiding behind a mask.

So, she'd rather have him, MJ and herself exposed as targets for all the criminals in New York??

I think senility is finally catching up to poor old May if she thinks that.

I'm sure if they were still living in an old apartment in Soho and Peter wasn't part of the Avengers and there was no Superhuman registration act that she wouldn't have convinced him otherwise.

As I said, that is weak reasoning. Living at the Avengers tower, or being on their team is no guarantee to protect them 24/7 from a city full of devious, blood thirsty super villains.

In fact, its damn right selfish and careless of Peter too as he's putting his students in danger too. Already Doc Ock and Mysterio have attacked at the school.

Peter's an idiot.

 

[SpideyInATree]

So?? There's a huge difference between trying to upgrade Spidey's reputation and outing himself to every person on the planet.

Oh Tony Stark asked him to do it. That's ok then. If Tony asked him to run naked thru Times Square he'd probably do that too Tony asking him means nothing. The registration act means nothing. If this was the real Peter Parker, he would have flat out refused to put himself and his loved ones on a silver plate for every evil piece of scum he's ever crossed.

What, you think that just because they sleep at the Avengers tower at night that makes them safe 24/7?? They're dumber than I thought if they believe that.

So, she'd rather have him, MJ and herself exposed as targets for all the criminals in New York??

I think senility is finally catching up to poor old May if she thinks that.

As I said, that is weak reasoning. Living at the Avengers tower, or being on their team is no guarantee to protect them 24/7 from a city full of devious, blood thirsty super villains.

In fact, its damn right selfish and careless of Peter too as he's putting his students in danger too. Already Doc Ock and Mysterio have attacked at the school.

Peter's an idiot.

Tony has done a lot for Peter in the time leading up to all of this. That's what I was trying to point out as well. And one thing Peter Parker always does is put other people ahead of him. By him going out there are putting a face to himself instead of just being a masked man is showing the other heroes that he's fully behind this act. That he has trust in the government and in Tony Stark.

Yeah, I'm sure they all know the danger. But, in the story, he's got the other heroes backing him up. He's no longer a loner hero having to fight his way through things alone.

And his students could be in danger, hence why he resigned from being a teacher in the latest issue of Friendly Neighborhood Spidey, although Mysterio ushered his attack shortly after that.

I think people are seriously overreacting to all of this. It's really easy to go around saying "That's a mischaracterization" to every little thing that you don't agree with.

I mean if you want to get technical...it was a mischaracterization for Peter to marry Mary Jane. I mean if he knew he was always going to endanger someone by being Spider-Man why did he get married?

 

[DACrowe]

True....but there is plenty of past characterization that shows he doesn't mind putting women in danger when he dates them (Mj of course, Gwen, Deb, Black Cat, etc.) even if he regrets it, A LITTLE BIT.

 

[SpideyInATree]

True....but there is plenty of past characterization that shows he doesn't mind putting women in danger when he dates them (Mj of course, Gwen, Deb, Black Cat, etc.) even if he regrets it, A LITTLE BIT.

So, Peter Parker has been out of character for almost 40 years then, therefore, making him in character.

I'm just busting balls now. But, seriously, I can understand a lot of fans not being too pleased but saying "It's out of character" is something that I heavily disagree with, because I don't see anything out of character for Peter Parker, or Aunt May.

And MJ...well, so many writers have written her so messed up it's hard to gauge whether she's out of character.

 

[DACrowe]

MJ has evolved a lot and then in the '90s you had a few writers that got her and a few (led by the main writer....Howard Mackie, <SHUDDERS>) who didn't. I tend to think PAD, Slott and JMS write her pretty well but need to let her do more things on her own and be a little more spunky because JMS and Jenkins were doing it but then since Sins Past she has always been dower.

anyway, I don't think Aunt May is being written out of character, I think for an old lady who wants her nephew loved and respected like Cap America it is understandable for her to want this. But she doesn't understand and hasn't been doing this the last 12 years of Pete's life. He should have known she was in dellusions of grandeur and ignored her, or respectfully disagreed.

I do think Peter is getting older (he has to be past 30 now) and wants respect, but he ain't stupid. I see him joining the Avengers is in character (though being the team's *****, surely sin't) but supporting the registration act when it is essientially everything JJJ has been saying to him for the last 40 years in the comics and agreeing with it and UNMASKING HIMSELF over it and punching Captain America over it and....

well that is very out of character and does make him look like Iron Man's sidekick/tool. And all this so he "realizes he was wrong" when he should never have been so stupid to do this in the first place. If this was like ASM #2 right after he tried to join the Fantastic Four in ASM #1, then I could understand. But given that he has losta girlfriend/love, daughter, good friend, another good friend and plenty of happiness (and sleep for that matter) over a few villains finding out his identity (both Green Goblins and Venom), he should know better than telling his ENTIRE rogue gallery his identity.

Stupid is stupid and Peter is not stupid. Why right him so then?

 

[SpideyInATree]

Pete didn't go after Cap because of the registration act. He went after Cap because he has an inkling that Iron Man is watching him through the suit. That's what I got out of it at least with the pause he had before attacking.

 

[3dman27]

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I do think Peter is getting older (he has to be past 30 now) and wants respect, but he ain't stupid. I see him joining the Avengers is in character (though being the team's ***** isn't

i agree with this

 

[The Joker]

Tony has done a lot for Peter in the time leading up to all of this.

Not enough to put your loved ones and friends in mortal danger 24/7. There is nothing anyone could do for anyone that would make them do that to their friends and loved ones just to obey some goverment rule. Unless that person was completely stupid, like Peter is right now.

And one thing Peter Parker always does is put other people ahead of him.

What favors is he doing anyone by doing this, other than making it a little easier on Stark and his goverment cronies??

By him going out there are putting a face to himself instead of just being a masked man is showing the other heroes that he's fully behind this act. That he has trust in the government and in Tony Stark.

Where was Tony Stark and the Avengers when Doc Ock and Mysterio attacked him at a public school??

Will they be just as helpful when MJ or Aunt May or any of Peter's friends are attacked??

Yeah, I'm sure they all know the danger. But, in the story, he's got the other heroes backing him up. He's no longer a loner hero having to fight his way through things alone.

He puts himself and everyone he cares for in the firing line for the rest of their lives just so he can be a team player??

And his students could be in danger, hence why he resigned from being a teacher in the latest issue of Friendly Neighborhood Spidey, although Mysterio ushered his attack shortly after that.

That doesn't matter.

The villains know now he has friends and kids he care for there. Easy fodder to use against him.

I think people are seriously overreacting to all of this. It's really easy to go around saying "That's a mischaracterization" to every little thing that you don't agree with.

But its all true.

The reasons people are offering to try and make it sound rational are weak as hell.

He has super hero support now, he's living at Avengers tower, Tony asked him to do it as a friend etc etc.

Weak.

I mean if you want to get technical...it was a mischaracterization for Peter to marry Mary Jane. I mean if he knew he was always going to endanger someone by being Spider-Man why did he get married?

Peter trusted in himself to be more careful that others never learned who he was. After Osborn died, and Harry was cured, Peter thought he was safe.

And in general he was. He never saw the symbiote or Osborn's return coming.

He saw Civil War coming, he was offered a choice, and like a complete dumbass he did the most dangerous and foolish thing he could ever do.

True....but there is plenty of past characterization that shows he doesn't mind putting women in danger when he dates them (Mj of course, Gwen, Deb, Black Cat, etc.) even if he regrets it, A LITTLE BIT.

Ok first off he and Deb were never an item.

Black Cat was her own woman doing her own thing. Peter had no control over her. After she was beaten to near death by Doc Ock, Peter ended it with her.

Gwen is the lesson he should be living by now with this Civil War thing. Look what happens when your enemies know who you are. And the fool goes and outs himself anyway.

 

[Cyclops]

Well, Ock, the whole "They live with the Avengers so they're safe" argument is so valid because no villain has ever attacked Avengers headquarters. The Masters of Evil have never done it, for example. Furthermore, Avengers Headquarters has never been destroyed.

Oh, but wait! To even further secure them, it's a Stark property, and well, we all know that nobody attacks Stark properties. Like Obadiah Stane. He never did that.

 

[DACrowe]

He ended it with the Black Cat after she got injured? I think we are misreading it aren't we? If I recall he got even more hot and heavy with her once she got out of the hospital. After she survived he let her become his sidekick/partner even though she had no superpowers (for most of the time anyway) and started....the innundo cycle with her and revealed his identity. What made him leave her was not her being in mortal danger, it was the fact that she made a deal with the Kingpin to get superpoers (powrs she later had Dr. Strange remove because they forbid her from being with Spidey) and that she loved Spider-Man more than Peter Parker.

Her being in danger had nothing to do with it nor did Ock's beating (well technically she was shot....but Ock held her down when it happeneds)....


Just pointing that in all honesty he has never ended a relationship due to safety except in the Spider-Man movie.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

It would have been better if he had been inadvertently unmasked. Now don't get me wrong, that sounds like a cop out, but I guess it's an issue of responsibility. If he did the responsible thing at the time, which will bring about years of interesting stories - why did he almost immediately regret doing such? If this was a move for interesting stories for years to come, why not spend some time, few months, even a year, exploring and allowing Peter to be confident in his decision, before it all turns to ****? So, the most important decision of his life has been relegated to schoolyard peer pressure by Iron ***... nice move Marvel. As if Peter didn't have enough in his life to regret so far. This move don't make Peter solid, makes him 'friggin weak. I imagine Kaine atop a building somewhere, shaking his head in shame.

 

[The Joker]

Well, Ock, the whole "They live with the Avengers so they're safe" argument is so valid because no villain has ever attacked Avengers headquarters. The Masters of Evil have never done it, for example. Furthermore, Avengers Headquarters has never been destroyed.

That's my point. Living there does not make them safe regardless of how secure it is. Unless they are all going to become recluses and stay there 24/7, living in that tower means nothing.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Well, Ock, the whole "They live with the Avengers so they're safe" argument is so valid because no villain has ever attacked Avengers headquarters. The Masters of Evil have never done it, for example. Furthermore, Avengers Headquarters has never been destroyed.

Oh, but wait! To even further secure them, it's a Stark property, and well, we all know that nobody attacks Stark properties. Like Obadiah Stane. He never did that.

I'm not saying that because he's in Avengers Tower or best buds with Tony Stark means he's safe. I'm pointing out that there isn't mischaracterization. People keep bringing up Peter Parker's decisions from the 1960's and when he was a teenager.

Things have changed a lot since those early days of Spider-Man. Yeah, his secret identity was important to him when he was in college, dating Gwen Stacy, and Spider-Man was a fugitive and chased by the police.

There is a Superhuman Registration Act. Spider-Man is an Avenger now. Spider-Man is now wearing a piece of multi-million dollar equipment and not a piece of cloth anymore.

Of course, NO ONE is safe. Villains will ALWAYS think of ways to attack. I'm just getting a bit bored with "It's a mischaracterization" just because people don't agree with the storyline.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah villains are always out there to attack but now they all know his and his family's home addresses though.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah villains are always out there to attack but now they all know his and his family's home addresses though.

And his friends, and his students. He put all those innocent lives in danger, and for what?? Because Stark asked him to?? Because it's goverment law??

Weak, weak, WEAK!

 

[USMC]

And his friends, and his students. He put all those innocent lives in danger, and for what?? Because Stark asked him to?? Because it's goverment law??

Weak, weak, WEAK!

AGREED! Peter WILLFULLY and with complete UNDERSTANDING put every single person that has come in contact with him at risk for injury or DEATH because Stark and May asked him to.

THAT is a mischaracterization.

 

[farmernudie]

I'm not saying that because he's in Avengers Tower or best buds with Tony Stark means he's safe. I'm pointing out that there isn't mischaracterization. People keep bringing up Peter Parker's decisions from the 1960's and when he was a teenager.

Things have changed a lot since those early days of Spider-Man. Yeah, his secret identity was important to him when he was in college, dating Gwen Stacy, and Spider-Man was a fugitive and chased by the police.

I disagree 100% with this statement. I've been reading a lot of my "old" Spidey comics lately, for fun...and by that i mean, "Pre-Stupidily Written Spidey"....and he STILL has these same concerns, and these aren't just "60's" comics....

This is Spider-man in the 70's, 80's, 90's, and 2000 on up. I keep ironically coming upon quote after quote and instance after instance of just how important his identity is to him. NOT just back in the 60's when he was in college, dating Gwen, and in trouble with police like you try to paint it. This is fact. He wouldn't ever even let a true hero, like Reed RIchards for example, see his face. His instinct and drive is always to cover up and protect his identity, for good reason.

It is sadly funny how writers and some others can throw all of a characters core continuity under the bus for a companies big sales stunt/story...ie...Cival War. (which is cool in some instances, but this "spidey disrespecting", which must be now the new hip thing at Marvel, tarnishes it...imo) If they wanted him unmasked, have someone else do it to him, don't have PEte do it because Iron man "told him to"...and then write aunt may to say that "she agrees".

Such lazy and insulting writing feels like a slap in the face to this Spidey fan. It is so blatant and obvious..i mean ...sheesh...

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

^^^^ If anyone can find reason to deny what he said, shove it ^^^^

 

[3dman27]

all this because bendis and his minions cant stand super heroes having SECRET IDENTITIES

 

[USMC]

I think it's been mentioned already, but I was watching that God-Awful "Who Wants to be a Superhero" and STAN LEE... you know, 1/2 of the CREATOR of Spider-man... actually ELIMINATED one of the heroes because he took off his CAPE. Stan said (paraphrasing), "You took off your cape and gloves... would Superman ever take off his cape? Would Spider-Man ever remove his mask? No, because that is the one thing a superhero must NEVER do".

Even that old coot knows better.

 

[farmernudie]

yeh....i found that quote on that show QUITE revealing....

Stan's the man.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah bubt a scripted line on a bad reality show he did for his paycheck still isn't his finest hour though.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I disagree 100% with this statement. I've been reading a lot of my "old" Spidey comics lately, for fun...and by that i mean, "Pre-Stupidily Written Spidey"....and he STILL has these same concerns, and these aren't just "60's" comics....

This is Spider-man in the 70's, 80's, 90's, and 2000 on up. I keep ironically coming upon quote after quote and instance after instance of just how important his identity is to him. NOT just back in the 60's when he was in college, dating Gwen, and in trouble with police like you try to paint it. This is fact. He wouldn't ever even let a true hero, like Reed RIchards for example, see his face. His instinct and drive is always to cover up and protect his identity, for good reason.

It is sadly funny how writers and some others can throw all of a characters core continuity under the bus for a companies big sales stunt/story...ie...Cival War. (which is cool in some instances, but this "spidey disrespecting", which must be now the new hip thing at Marvel, tarnishes it...imo) If they wanted him unmasked, have someone else do it to him, don't have PEte do it because Iron man "told him to"...and then write aunt may to say that "she agrees".

Such lazy and insulting writing feels like a slap in the face to this Spidey fan. It is so blatant and obvious..i mean ...sheesh...

And through the 70's, 80's and 90's and early 2000's he wasn't part of the Avengers nor was there a government law stating that all people with superhuman abilities have to register with the government. And his Aunt May didn't know that he was Spider-Man. And he wasn't given a new multi million dollar suit. And he wasn't given a job by Tony Stark.

Yeah, just saying "Tony Stark asked him to" and "Aunt May gave him the will to go through with it" doesn't jive. If you've read the stories it makes a lot more sense though.

It's just getting tiresome seeing people say "He's totally out of character" because they don't agree with him willingly taking his mask off. I don't blame people for being angry but the point is to keep reading the story to see where everything goes with the grand scheme of things. It's blatantly obvious that Peter is going to realize that he's made the wrong decision and then comes the ultimate lesson. Despite friends and, even family, giving him support to do something that he should always stick with his gut feelings.

It wouldn't really be much of a story if Peter Parker just told everybody to go away and that he knows exactly what to do.

^^^^ If anyone can find reason to deny what he said, shove it ^^^^

Shoves it.

 

[farmernudie]

I'm pointing out that there isn't mischaracterization. People keep bringing up Peter Parker's decisions from the 1960's and when he was a teenager. Things have changed a lot since those early days of Spider-Man. Yeah, his secret identity was important to him when he was in college, dating Gwen Stacy, and Spider-Man was a fugitive and chased by the police.

Well, i still don't see how you can say this original statement is factual in any way.

There are tons (tons!!) of examples of him being worried about his secret identity SINCE the 60's....that's all i am saying.

If you read AFTER he dated Gwen, AFTER college, AFTER teh 60's...after EVERYTHING you stated...his secret identity was STILL important to him.

Reading the VERY current stories, which I have, and so have others, ones you are quoting about the new suit and living with the avengers...this is all a very SUDDEN change and doesn't "justify" Spidey dropping EVERYTHING in his whole ENTIRE life and doing a 180....IMO.

However, i find it GREAT that someone is enjoying these storylines...it doesn't bother me that you or anyone enjoys them. I just find it a gross mischaracterization...one that is SO blatant and hard to miss.

It's just getting tiresome seeing people say "He's totally out of character" because they don't agree with him willingly taking his mask off.

Yes, it is prolly just as tiresome for others to hear people say it IS in character for spidey to willing unmask himself too. It seems to me personally, one would have to ignore everything up to the past year maybe (and that's being generous), to accept this. Everyone always points out that he is an avenger now and that Aunt May "approved" this decision...which makes me personally chuckle and shake my head.

I understand that Pete is an avenger now, and that he has a new suit from Iron Man, and that there is a Registration Act....BUT....out of character writing to force along the storyline seems....just THAT to me. MArvel needed a big SHOCKER to sell Civil War. Pete got chosen outta the hat this year for Marvel's Sales Event...someone BIG to go public.....now we all have to deal with it...whether it is logical or not.

But we're all Spidey fans...That's why we're all so opinionated i guess.

 

[The Joker]

It's just getting tiresome seeing people say "He's totally out of character" because they don't agree with him willingly taking his mask off.

Because it's true. It is out of character for him to do that.

And nobody has offered one valid shred of reasoning as to why it isn't.