shauner111
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Nope, it's an accurate description of Knightfall.
Plus we would have gotten a proper version of Bane.
Nope, it's an accurate description of Knightfall.
Bronson is probably closer to proper Bane than TDKR Bane. He's certainly cooler.
I suppose that’s true. Bvs sucking certainly improved tdkr in some people’s eyes. I just Feel since tdkr from a ratings perspective is still one of the highest i don’t think it’s reputation has gotten any worseI'd say nothing substantial has changed one way or the other. Plus, we haven't had a solo Batman movie yet. That's when people's minds really start to change. If people regard Matt Reeve's Batman as one of the best, be prepared for opinions to drastically change. You see it all the time with popular franchises.
this is excellently written and I agree. I think when the dark knight released its cultural impact was immediate with its talk on privacy and terrorism. Dark Knight rises impact is happening now and the last few years with its talk on populism just like you said. Rises was just released just a little to early but now more people are recognizing it. Not as much as dark knight which would be hard but I’d say a still significant amount. I’ve also seen people attack rises now sayings it’s pro cop and pro fascism which I don’t agree with.I think for some reason time seems to reward almost all Batman films. For instance, a lot more fans can enjoy B&R for the ridiculous factor now that there's no longer any reason to be outraged that it "killed" the franchise.
I think Nolan's films will probably take a perception hit post-Reeves, assuming it's as great as we hope. Shiny new toy syndrome always kicks in, plus Reeves might genuinely craft the ultimate, Definitive™ Batman movies. But the way I look at it, each iteration of the franchise brings the ones that came before into a wider context. I think the Nolan films and TDKR especially will become even more solidified as the big, 'traditional' Hollywood blockbuster version of the franchise that reflected post-9/11 America. Which could be a positive for some and a negative for others. And I would also argue that TDKR was pointing towards the rise of populism that has reared its ugly head in today's world by portraying its villain as a demagogue who exploited economic anxiety. Nitpicks and valid criticisms of TDKR aside, I think it's also fair to take into account how it sits in the bigger picture. It's part of any movie's aging process.
One of the reasons I think the Batman franchise is so cool is because it's been allowed to reinvent itself so many times over, and you can track its evolution alongside that of pop culture and society as a whole. Look no further than how the 60s series reflected the hippie culture of the time. And now with a film like Joker, even though it's set in the 80s it feels VERY 2019/2020 in terms of the themes. Even BvS, a film I still struggle with finding any enjoyment from, taps into xenophobia in a way that felt pretty on-point for what the temperature was like in 2016.
Bottom line, everyone's always going to have opinions- but I think the Batman franchise is pretty much one of the coolest precisely because there's been so much artistic variation, and a willingness to grapple with rich, sometimes dark themes and hold up a bit of a mirror to society, while still being a lot of fun-- sometimes doing a bit of everything at once while being pretty hilarious (IE The Lego Batman Movie). I'm just looking forward to seeing that tradition continue.
this is excellently written and I agree. I think when the dark knight released its cultural impact was immediate with its talk on privacy and terrorism. Dark Knight rises impact is happening now and the last few years with its talk on populism just like you said. Rises was just released just a little to early but now more people are recognizing it. Not as much as dark knight which would be hard but I’d say a still significant amount. I’ve also seen people attack rises now sayings it’s pro cop and pro fascism which I don’t agree with.
It's a bit broad and top-heavy, but between Brexit, Trump, and the general rise of nationalism, it does feel like the West has drifted in this direction. I think Bane's aged quite well when Trump (puts palm in hand) unintentionally quotes the super villain during his inauguration.
I suppose that’s true. Bvs sucking certainly improved tdkr in some people’s eyes.
That could be true. I think people mostly blame Snyder and terrio more than Goyer for bvs at least from what I’ve seenI would imagine BvS having some negative impact on perceptions of the trilogy what with David Goyer co-writing it and it also being from some of the same producers and it coming so soon after TDKR it could easily be seen as an unofficial or alternate part 4 (or alternate part 3.5).
That could be true. I think people mostly blame Snyder and terrio more than Goyer for bvs at least from what I’ve seen
So you’re thinking Goyer had nothing to do with the movie? I didn’t know about the rewrite but that makes senseYeah, nah I don't think it's like that. Mainly because Nolan distanced himself from the project as much as he possibly could-- I still don't think he's on the record of stating any sort of opinion on the film either. I still would love to know how much of Goyer's ideas made it into the film, because it was a page 1 rewrite. It's all very unclear to me, and I don't think Goyer has talked about it either.
BvS has Snyder's fingerprints all over it. With MOS, you could sort of see that it was Snyder's attempt to execute the Nolan/Goyer modern superhero origin "formula", but with BvS, it just screams Zack Snyder from top to bottom, for better or worse.
Agreed the movie feels very relevant now with everything going and more realistic . I don’t think I would change A thing across the trilogy. I wouldn’t change Rachel dawes other than maybe keeping the same actress for both. I wouldn’t add joker if possible just because I think tdkr works perfectly on its own and I want to keep the story intact with bane because I just love the twist and the full circle it does.I ended up rewatching Rises the other night. I was watching it for some research for a project I'm working on, and ended up getting sucked in and just watching the whole thing.
I don't know what it was about this viewing, but damn, it was probably my favorite viewing of the film in years. Maybe there was an added resonance to the citizens of Gotham being holed up in their homes, or a horrible demagogue pretending to care about the people-- but I really connected with it just as much as ever, if not more. It takes a while to get going, but once it does- wow, it slaps HARD. And it's just so freaking gorgeous to look at it- best pure visual storytelling of the trilogy IMO. I'm so glad Nolan has let shots linger more as he's developed as a filmmaker. I also recently rewatched Begins, and the editing gets a bit choppy there for my taste. It's not that the flaws weren't still there with Rises, but the bright spots just really sung for me. The ending is ridiculously good. Jeez, what a movie. Would love to watch it on an IMAX screen again some day.
a horrible demagogue pretending to care about the people