Dock Ock survives?

[Visionary]

Save the return of Doc Ock for SM4 through SM6, one of these movies. However, it would be cool to have the Daily Bugle say that there was a Doc Ock sighting somewhere.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

Afraid not - they were on but then they flickered and went off (I've just watched the scene again, just to be sure). Together with the blank, expressionless face of Ock as he descends the depths (and the fact that he can't breathe underwater) leads me to conclude that he bought the big one.

If they do bring him back it's gonna have to be the mother of all explanations.

I can see it know...in a sequel....you see a flash back(From Doc Ock).....the lights are off...suddenly they go back on and Doc Ock opens his eyes he then goes for the surfaces breathes looks around....etc.

Or

Flash back(From Doc Ock).....the lights are off...suddenly they go back on and the legs bring him on to the surface, on to the beach and revive him and gives him small electric shocks in his neck. Doc wakes up...etc.

Or even

Flash back(From Doc Ock).....the lights are off...suddenly they go back on and the legs bring him on to the surface. They drag him a long way(To his old lab) they then make a few operations and mechanical transplants and then....BOOYAH! We got a cyborg Doc Ock

 

[Yurka]

you got some pretty deep ideas there Hulk

 

[Eros]

why would ock still be a bad guy, if he were even alive? He was redeemed in spider-man 2, he no longer has any and imean any reason to rob banks etc. Ock was at peace with himself in the end, and thats how every person should die.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

why would ock still be a bad guy, if he were even alive? He was redeemed in spider-man 2, he no longer has any and imean any reason to rob banks etc. Ock was at peace with himself in the end, and thats how every person should die.

Because the Tentacles re-took over Octavious's body.

 

[Fran]

it WOULD be awesome though, to see a truly EVIL Doc Ock in Spider-Man 4,5,or 6. it would be so... sinister ;-)

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

you got some pretty deep ideas there Hulk

Thanks

 

[Eros]

Because the Tentacles re-took over Octavious's body.

Ocks tentacles had a limted control over him, they fed him stuf. They influenced his behavior to a certain degree, but Ock proved to be in complete control in the very end before he died saving the city. Ock would stil have no reason to commit crimes anymore, because unlike last time he has no drive, but hes dead anyway.

 

[Norman Osborn]

I'd still lay odds movie Norman could return. Even though he was buried and all.

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Norman was also buried in the comics...or so we were lead to believe

Ock is coming back....as is Norman....how do I know this?....because both coming back makes far more f&^#$ sense than having Gwen in the movies at this juncture...and yet here we are

....what would really be cool is at the end of SM3 have a "harry discovering the suit" type epilogue where Sandman and Brock's cell doors open....

Brock:...who are you??...who's there?

pan to Ock

Ock: Just a couple of long time admirers....*evil laugh*

pan to Osborn, suit but no mask and the freaking symbiote in his hand...

GG: Can Venom come out to play??..*evil Gobby cackle*

C'mon...a fanboy can dream can't he?

 

[Spider-X]

C'mon...a fanboy can dream can't he?

no offense...

but it reads more like a nightmare to me...Norman HOLDING the symbiote...a liquid-esk alien lifeform? makes no sense.

"can Venom come out and play?"...that's just bad.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

Ocks tentacles had a limited control over him, they fed him stuf. They influenced his behavior to a certain degree, but Ock proved to be in complete control in the very end before he died saving the city. Ock would stil have no reason to commit crimes anymore, because unlike last time he has no drive, but hes dead anyway.

But what if he lost control again, or the tentacles made Octavious believe that Spider-Man was to blame for everything. How do we know he really is dead...maybe the miniature star gave of some energy to the tentacles, enough to sustain themselves on their own and even take complete control over the doctor...

 

[The Shape]

But what if he lost control again, or the tentacles made Octavious believe that Spider-Man was to blame for everything. How do we know he really is dead...maybe the miniature star gave of some energy to the tentacles, enough to sustain themselves on their own and even take complete control over the doctor...

so, essentially, what you're saying is that his tentacles are like the symbiote? they give him extra powers, but can also take control over him and cause him to have hallucinations?

LAME.

these ideas about Ock coming back are not very plausible, even in a comic-based reality.

 

[Dr.Dude]

Of course he'll be back... he's Doc Ock, who's always been about the most constantly re-occuring Spider-Man villain ever.... and besides, you gotta have somebody there to lead the Sinister Six in one of these flicks.

And it wouldn't really be that hard to "ressurect" the character, given his rather vague death. Just say the machine artifically kept his body from decomposing in the water, then have the tentacles perform CPR or something.... whatever the explanation would be, its worth bringing him back..... best supervillain ever.

 

[FaT_tONle]

so, essentially, what you're saying is that his tentacles are like the symbiote? they give him extra powers, but can also take control over him and cause him to have hallucinations?

LAME.

these ideas about Ock coming back are not very plausible, even in a comic-based reality.

All I can say was that Ock was butchered according to what he was supposed to be and if they are going to bring him back the same way it would be crap... but if he does come back... I don't think his tentacles will be controlling him anymore... he will accept them as four extra limbs and then draw up his master plan to kill SPidey and be the true Ock he was supposed to be (not ****ing Conners Version of Lizard)... it wouldn't be stupid if they wanted a Sinister Six movie

 

[The Shape]

All I can say was that Ock was butchered according to what he was supposed to be and if they are going to bring him back the same way it would be crap... but if he does come back... I don't think his tentacles will be controlling him anymore... he will accept them as four extra limbs and then draw up his master plan to kill SPidey and be the true Ock he was supposed to be (not ****ing Conners Version of Lizard)... it wouldn't be stupid if they wanted a Sinister Six movie

he would be needed for a sinister six movie, but i don't know where people are getting the idea that there will ever be a sinister six movie. i mean...we don't even know if we're getting a SM4, so a sinister six story is nowhere near being made. i doubt that it's even been considered yet.

 

[FaT_tONle]

he would be needed for a sinister six movie, but i don't know where people are getting the idea that there will ever be a sinister six movie. i mean...we don't even know if we're getting a SM4, so a sinister six story is nowhere near being made. i doubt that it's even been considered yet.

I know you favor the trilogy... but you'd be foolish to believe sequels will never be made any time soon... I'd say no more that 8-10 years before they start the new arc/trilogy... and believe me... Sinister Six will be seriously considered, or some version of it... recasting is inevitable... I expect SOny to hire a new Parker and MJ and hopefully retain everyone else and give us at least two or three more depending on their success... and not in 2027 (20 year layoff like Supes)... but sooner than later

 

[The Shape]

I know you favor the trilogy... but you'd be foolish to believe sequels will never be made any time soon... I'd say no more that 8-10 years before they start the new arc/trilogy... and believe me... Sinister Six will be seriously considered, or some version of it... recasting is inevitable... I expect SOny to hire a new Parker and MJ and hopefully retain everyone else and give us at least two or three more depending on their success... and not in 2027 (20 year layoff like Supes)... but sooner than later

what you're saying is a new series. i don't care what they do then. as long as they don't **** up this one.

i hope that's a restart, not a continuation of this trilogy. if so, then Ock wouldn't need to return. he could be recreated. plus, Molina will be too old by then to come back and do this again.

 

[FaT_tONle]

what you're saying is a new series. i don't care what they do then. as long as they don't **** up this one.

i hope that's a restart, not a continuation of this trilogy. if so, then Ock wouldn't need to return. he could be recreated. plus, Molina will be too old by then to come back and do this again.

Why can't it be a continuation... look at SR... a restart but a continuation in it's own way... accept recasting people... it will happen eventually... if Molina doesn't come back they'll find someone else... besides all the story lines will be closed... so they can start new arcs with the same characters and it wouldn't matter who played them... why would they just remake the franchise when it is a cash cow... and it's a NEW arc... it ain't touching the Goblin arc or the Venom story since he'll be dead... maybe continue the Gwen story but that's about it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

WHAT THE **** IS THIS ****! HE'S DEAD! I never ever ever ever understood why people thought he was alive. They never gave any inkling of him even possibily surviving. HELL, THEY SHOW HIS DEAD BODY IN THE WATER! GODAMNIT! CLOSE THIS ****.

Aw... need some milk poor baby... this is a discussion... it calls for speculation... I myself have been guilty of similar comments I am afraid but it's a remote possibility and Molina has said he'd come back if they wanted him...

 

[The Shape]

Why can't it be a continuation... look at SR... a restart but a continuation in it's own way... accept recasting people... it will happen eventually... if Molina doesn't come back they'll find someone else... besides all the story lines will be closed... so they can start new arcs with the same characters and it wouldn't matter who played them... why would they just remake the franchise when it is a cash cow... and it's a NEW arc... it ain't touching the Goblin arc or the Venom story since he'll be dead... maybe continue the Gwen story but that's about it.

why can't it be a continuation? you just said it yourself. yes, they can recast. but all the storylines will be closed perfectly by the end of SM3. there's really no need to continue it. they're not continuing with Gwen, because MJ is Peter's only girl in these movies. most of the great villain's stories have been used. they should leave it at this trilogy.

then, years later, restart the franchise by making new movies. start over from scratch with new actors, a new director, new stories, and a new vision. so we can have each film series stand on it's own. maybe they can start with Gwen being Peter's first love (the way it was meant to be), and can do her death story. it makes no sense to continue the other series 1 years later.

SR is a different case. the Supes films ended badly, and the film franchise literally died. so 20 years later, it's back with a restart/sequel. except it's more of a remake than a sequel, if you ask me. i mean, singer recreated some exact scene from the original Superman and put them into SR. many of the same lines from the original are implanted into SR. people call this paying "homage" to the original, but it's a little much. the film follows the same formula as the old Superman, and, in my eyes, is very unoriginal in doing so.

if they do a Spidey restart, i think it should be able to stand on it's own. so rather than create some crazy scheme for Ock to return in later movies, let him be recreated as a different Ock than we saw in SM2.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

#1so, essentially, what you're saying is that his tentacles are like the symbiote? they give him extra powers, #2but can also take control over him and cause him to have hallucinations?

LAME.

these ideas about Ock coming back are not very plausible, even in a comic-based reality.

#1Well that's how it was in the second movie yes
#2Hallucinations? WTF? I didn't know that the symbiote caused you to have hallucinations. And no I did not mean that the tentacles causes hallucinations to octavious (Tell me, why where the tentacles speaking to the Doctor and made him kill people? Obviously not hallucinations)

 

[FaT_tONle]

why can't it be a continuation? you just said it yourself. yes, they can recast. but all the storylines will be closed perfectly by the end of SM3. there's really no need to continue it. they're not continuing with Gwen, because MJ is Peter's only girl in these movies. most of the great villain's stories have been used. they should leave it at this trilogy.

then, years later, restart the franchise by making new movies. start over from scratch with new actors, a new director, new stories, and a new vision. so we can have each film series stand on it's own. maybe they can start with Gwen being Peter's first love (the way it was meant to be), and can do her death story. it makes no sense to continue the other series 1 years later.

SR is a different case. the Supes films ended badly, and the film franchise literally died. so 20 years later, it's back with a restart/sequel. except it's more of a remake than a sequel, if you ask me. i mean, singer recreated some exact scene from the original Superman and put them into SR. many of the same lines from the original are implanted into SR. people call this paying "homage" to the original, but it's a little much. the film follows the same formula as the old Superman, and, in my eyes, is very unoriginal in doing so.

if they do a Spidey restart, i think it should be able to stand on it's own. so rather than create some crazy scheme for Ock to return in later movies, let him be recreated as a different Ock than we saw in SM2.

It's all about the money... do your math and look at the numbers... I will say no more... why would they wait fifteen years to cash in on this thing while it's hot... cmon use Hollywood logic for a second... it's going to happen sooner than later... it's not about what we want... it's about what will happen.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

Yes, you know what? You maybe right. He'll be back in the 4th one to avenge his own death at the hands of himself

Yes, if he was reconstructed (As a cyborg)

 

[The Shape]

It's all about the money... do your math and look at the numbers... I will say no more... why would they wait fifteen years to cash in on this thing while it's hot... cmon use Hollywood logic for a second... it's going to happen sooner than later...

it's all about the money, yes, but if you knew anything about Hollywood logic these day, you'd know that's it's all about the trilogies now in days.

lord of the rings. very successful.
the matrix. fairly successful.
the new star wars. big.
pirate of the ****ing carribean. huge.
the upcoming batman trilogy. great, and will be successful.
shreck the third (possible end to a trilogy). will be huge.

they've cashed in already. they know that. and the cash will keep coming in even after SM3 is released. there are so many ways to keep the cash flowing.

if they're smart, they'll learn the the WB's mistakes, complete this trilogy, and leave the door open for the future. you wonder why they'd stop while it's hot. i say they should go out on top, rather than possibly risk making anything worse than what we've got.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

it's all about the money, yes, but if you knew anything about Hollywood logic these day, you'd know that's it's all about the trilogies now in days.

lord of the rings. very successful.
the matrix. fairly successful.
the new star wars. big.
pirate of the ****ing carribean. huge.
the upcoming batman trilogy. great, and will be successful.
shreck the third (possible end to a trilogy). will be huge.

they've cashed in already. they know that. and the cash will keep coming in even after SM3 is released. there are so many ways to keep the cash flowing.

if they're smart, they'll learn the the WB's mistakes, complete this trilogy, and leave the door open for the future. you wonder why they'd stop while it's hot. i say they should go out on top, rather than possibly risk making anything worse than what we've got.

So you're saying that it should all end at number 3? If that were the case, they'red be no Venom