Dock Ock survives?

[The Shape]

So you're saying that it should all end at number 3? If that were the case, they'red be no Venom

dude, what are you talking about? venom is in SM3, buddy.

 

[FaT_tONle]

it's all about the money, yes, but if you knew anything about Hollywood logic these day, you'd know that's it's all about the trilogies now in days.

lord of the rings. very successful.
the matrix. fairly successful.
the new star wars. big.
pirate of the ****ing carribean. huge.
the upcoming batman trilogy. great, and will be successful.
shreck the third (possible end to a trilogy). will be huge.

they've cashed in already. they know that. and the cash will keep coming in even after SM3 is released. there are so many ways to keep the cash flowing.

if they're smart, they'll learn the the WB's mistakes, complete this trilogy, and leave the door open for the future. you wonder why they'd stop while it's hot. i say they should go out on top, rather than possibly risk making anything worse than what we've got.

Exactly correct... ala new SPiderman trilogy... I just hope they take a good 4-10 year break before doing so, but definitely no restart (save the origin and Stacy death for the toons), a restart just spits in the face of the originals... besides Depp has talked about doing more... you can't tell me shrek the Third is the last (though it prolly is), and LotR don't count... there is no fourth book (Jackson has talked about the hobbit though)... good argument though

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

dude, what are you talking about? venom is in SM3, buddy.

Slim chance, they'd rush it too much if they are going to make Spidey get the suit then pass it on to Eddie while there's the Sand Man & GG2, not to mention Spidey's nerdy scenes, MJ, Gwen Stacy, the Daily Bugle etc. Venom will only be at the last minute of SM3 which will give the audience a good idea of who's the bad guy in SM4.

 

[The Shape]

Exactly correct... ala new SPiderman trilogy... I just hope they take a good 4-10 year break before doing so, but definitely no restart (save the origin and Stacy death for the toons), a restart just spits in the face of the originals... besides Depp has talked about doing more... you can't tell me shrek the Third is the last (though it prolly is), and LotR don't count... there is no fourth book... good argument though

making three more movies would just be a 6-movie series, not seperate trilogies. there's no place to go after SM3, seeing as it ties up the loose ends. Harry dies. the Peter/MJ story is tied up somehow. Venom dies. Gwen would never become Peter's new love, seeing as MJ is the only girl for him in these movies. so that doesn't make sense. sure, you could squeeze out a bunch of villains, but none are as powerful as the ones used in this trilogy. it just wouldn't be as good. and what the point of making new movies if you can't improve upon the old ones somehow?

the new star wars trilogy is a prequel to the old, so that works. you can't do that with Spidey. and as for the other things you said...sure, Depp said there could be more, but nobody else did. as far as i know, he does not soley make the POTC movies. Shrek very well could be the last, as you said.

and as for spitting on the originals? i think that continuing after SM3 with a new cast and director would be spitting on the originals, rather than creating a separate series with a new vision.

 

[The Shape]

Slim chance, they'd rush it too much is they are going to make Spidey get the suit then pass it on to Eddie while there's the Sand Man & GG2, not to mention Spidey's nerdy scenes, MJ, Gwen Stacy, the Daily Bugle etc. Venom will only be at the last minute of SM3 which will give the audience a good idea of who's the bad guy in SM4.

hahahahahahahahahaha.

show's how much you know about SM3. somebody else tell him what the deal is. i'm laughing too hard.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

hahahahahahahahahaha.

show's how much you know about SM3. somebody else tell him what the deal is. i'm laughing too hard.

oooookkkkaaaaaayy........

 

[The Shape]

oooookkkkaaaaaayy........

*sigh*

okay. if you payed any attention around here, you'd know that eddie brock becomes venom for the final act of SM3 and is involved in the big "battle royale" at the end of the film, along with GG2 and Sandy. he is eventually defeated, and he will not appear in SM4. sorry to disappoint you.

 

[tzarinna]

Play nice theShape

 

[Stevens25]

I liked Doc Ock in Spidey 2,but he is dead. I wonder though,why must every villian die at the end of these superhero films? Why can't they every get captured so there's a chance for their return?

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

his arc is done. he redeemed himself after losing the one he loved the most and then he dies with some honor. plus the fact that you see him die .

EXACTLY!!! even if he did survive, he somewhat turned into a good guy at the end: realizing the error of his ways and sacrifing himself to save the city. so it would not work out at all if he came back.

 

[Shadow_Knight]

Nah I don't think he lived even if he did I still dought he would be in Spider-Man 3 or any Spider-Man movie that comes to the future.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Ocks tentacles had a limted control over him, they fed him stuf. They influenced his behavior to a certain degree, but Ock proved to be in complete control in the very end before he died saving the city. Ock would stil have no reason to commit crimes anymore, because unlike last time he has no drive, but hes dead anyway.

In certain instances, people who have almost drowned sometimes suffer a certain amount of brain damage because of the fact that their brain has been starved of oxygen.

If he was to survive, perhaps the personality of the good Doctor that was established it Spidey 2 could be replaced by the bad ass personality that we know from the comics.

I'm not saying that Doc.Ock should be a 'drooling vegetable' (to quote 'the Naked Gun') - just that a small amount of brain damage could cause him to have a total personality change.

 

[FaT_tONle]

*sigh*

okay. if you payed any attention around here, you'd know that eddie brock becomes venom for the final act of SM3 and is involved in the big "battle royale" at the end of the film, along with GG2 and Sandy. he is eventually defeated, and he will not appear in SM4. sorry to disappoint you.

Not everyone has read the Q & A shape... give em a break... you always gotto talk like a condescending know it all... chill the **** out...

 

[The Shape]

Not everyone has read the Q & A shape... give em a break... you always gotto talk like a condescending know it all... chill the **** out...

why do you always have to get involved in things that have nothing to do with you?

anyway, it's hard to see how someone can spend months here and not realize what the story of SM3 is. you only have to read so many threads to figure it out. you don't need the Q&A. i don't think this guy's feelings were hurt. i didn't offend him. i didn't call him any names, like you always call me. if anything, i did him a favor by letting him know what the deal is. maybe i had an attitude, but that's besides the point.

please, fattie. leave me alone from now on. nobody said anything to you in this situation. stop trying to attack me every chance you get. and stop using those "..." so much.

 

[Boom]

Ock is in limbo. If Raimi doesn't feel like bringing him back, then he's dead. If Raimi decides to bring him back, then he survived.

 

[hitpehoaos]

all this talk isnt confirmed we just believe it to be

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Well in the end of Spider-Man 2, you see Doctor Octavius drown for some reason.....What if he didn't drown? (Take Frodo in the Fellowship of the ring, it looked like he was dead but...) And not to mention Jean Grey from X-Men 3 (Most of us thought that she died in X2 but...) I really liked Dock Ock from SM2. It's possible that he is one of the vilains in SM3...Maybe he could be a cliffhanger in SM3 like Venom. In Spider-Man (PS1) he did make a good story with the Symbiotes maybe he could do the same for the movies...

Well that's just an Idea, what do you think? Should he be somewhere in Spider-Man 3 or not?

You're looking at this the wrong way.

Spider-Man 2 is a piece of fiction.

Doc Ock is deliberately given a slightly mysterious send off. If at some point in the future, Raimi & co want him to come back alive, he'll come back alive, if they don't, they don't.

 

[Kid_Kaos]

No, he won't come back in 3.

But, since I really want to see a Sinister Six vs Spider-Man movie, he will propably return in a later installment. *hoping*

 

[FaT_tONle]

why do you always have to get involved in things that have nothing to do with you?

anyway, it's hard to see how someone can spend months here and not realize what the story of SM3 is. you only have to read so many threads to figure it out. you don't need the Q&A. i don't think this guy's feelings were hurt. i didn't offend him. i didn't call him any names, like you always call me. if anything, i did him a favor by letting him know what the deal is. maybe i had an attitude, but that's besides the point.

please, fattie. leave me alone from now on. nobody said anything to you in this situation. stop trying to attack me every chance you get. and stop using those "..." so much.

Lemme quote you again "hahahahahahahahahaha.

show's how much you know about SM3".... grow up... just cause you don't have a life doesn't mean you should take your anger out on others...

 

[DOG LIPS]

Please keep it civil in here, guys.

 

[Alexia Dark]

Logically, yes. He's dead. Of course, this is the same man who took a beating from Spidey without powers of his own and somehow didn't get his face smashed in, so who knows? And this is a comic book film. No one really dies in comics. You could sever the arms, seal them in a block of adamantium, have Carnage rip Ock into a million pieces and burn him to ash in a clear glass cage, and he'd still find a way to come back.

Actually, that's a rather pleasant image. I'll have to remember that .

EDIT: But no, I don't think we'll be seeing him again.

 

[Norman Osborn]

no offense...

but it reads more like a nightmare to me...Norman HOLDING the symbiote...a liquid-esk alien lifeform? makes no sense.

"can Venom come out and play?"...that's just bad.

No offense taken ...and the "Can Venom come out to play" was a take on the "Can Spider-man come out and play" from SM -1....

....regardless of the hookey factor, whatever brings Norman and/or Octavius back to the silver screen is fine by me

 

[Vile]

In certain instances, people who have almost drowned sometimes suffer a certain amount of brain damage because of the fact that their brain has been starved of oxygen.

If he was to survive, perhaps the personality of the good Doctor that was established it Spidey 2 could be replaced by the bad ass personality that we know from the comics.

I'm not saying that Doc.Ock should be a 'drooling vegetable' (to quote 'the Naked Gun') - just that a small amount of brain damage could cause him to have a total personality change.

That could quite possibly be the lamest explanation Raimi could use.

If he wanted Octopus to return and be evil...here's an idea...YOU SHOULDNT HAVE MADE HIM A GOOD GUY AND KILLED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Some lame brain-damage-miraculous-drowning-survival plot would just be silly.

 

[Spider-X]

No offense taken ...and the "Can Venom come out to play" was a take on the "Can Spider-man come out and play" from SM -1....

oh...oh i got that

....regardless of the hookey factor, whatever brings Norman and/or Octavius back to the silver screen is fine by me

agreed, just as long as they aren't working side by side, I think that would be kinda lame...and i'm sure we'll see Norman in SM3 at least twice, probably not alive though.

 

[xwolverine2]

doc ock might have the suit from the street fighter movie that could perform cpr on you automatically