Doctor Who - Part 2

[RetroNaz]

I assumed the exploding Tardis/DT regeneration was from all of the rads he absorbed.

 

[the amazing fro]

Actually I remember him giving interviews at the time saying stuff like, "They haven't asked me to come back yet but when they do I have my answer ready

" That says to me they never asked him back but he wanted to go back.

That's incorrect. Tennant had thought about leaving and RTD's announcement of his departure had made him seriously consider him leaving However when Steven moffat was announced as the new showrunner he was hesitant and it was all very much up in the air. During the filming of silence in the library, Moffat approached Tennant and said "you need to tell me whether your going so I can either write the scripts for you or for a new doctor. Then Tennant thought about this and decided to stick to his guns and leave. Tennant was the face of the show and the most popular doctor since Tom Baker. Nobody wanted him to leave. If he had wanted to remain, he would have.

Was there ever an explanation as to why DT's regeneration took so long?

Or why it blew the crap out of the Tardis control room?

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Radiation affects his time lord body differently and would have taken longer to kill him than it would a human who would fry in a second. Also I think he was fighting it. Which brings me to your second question. I think it was a massive strop. He didn't want to go but he knew he had to so he decided to bring the whole TARDIS along with him. It was a tantrum and maybe a way to get back at eleven who he felt usurped him. Or maybe like RetroNaz said it was because of the radiation.

 

[Manic]

Didn't the third Doctor subject himself to heavy doses of radiation and not blow everything up when he regenerated?

 

[the amazing fro]

Different type of radiation and probably different amount of exposure.

 

[Lord Valumart]

It's cause the Pertwee knew how to go out in style. None of this fancy exploding stuff, just good old style death for him.

 

[wobbly]

Radiation affects his time lord body differently and would have taken longer to kill him than it would a human who would fry in a second. Also I think he was fighting it. Which brings me to your second question. I think it was a massive strop. He didn't want to go but he knew he had to so he decided to bring the whole TARDIS along with him. It was a tantrum and maybe a way to get back at eleven who he felt usurped him. Or maybe like RetroNaz said it was because of the radiation.

Thanks. What I wanted to know though was if the writers ever gave any explanations (like in an interview or in the Confidential shows). It looks like they haven't so we are left to 'fanwank' ones.

Personally I'd go with one that would require a little change from what we saw on the show to make it work: When he emerges from the chamber instead of telling Wilf "It's started", he sees his hands glow, then stop, and tells Wilf his body is trying to regenerate but he absorbed so much radiation it's not working and he is going to die within hours.

This gives him the time to go off and do his farewells, the Oods sing their song etc, then takes the Tardis off into space to die in peace, then is surprised when the regeneration does kick in and he realises he is gonna change after all.

The wrecked Tardis could have been explained by Smith in his first episode: As the regeneration nearly failed and took so long to take effect, when it finally kicked in it did so with such force it caused some kind of huge feedback within the Tardis own energy fields (or something like that) setting off the explosions.

I suppose this could work without the little changes I noted as well, but it'd work a lot better with the Doctor thinking he was genuinely dying for real.

 

[wiegeabo]

Just watched the latest episode. Glad I kept out of the thread until I did.

 

[RetroNaz]

Thanks. What I wanted to know though was if the writers ever gave any explanations (like in an interview or in the Confidential shows). It looks like they haven't so we are left to 'fanwank' ones.

Personally I'd go with one that would require a little change from what we saw on the show to make it work: When he emerges from the chamber instead of telling Wilf "It's started", he sees his hands glow, then stop, and tells Wilf his body is trying to regenerate but he absorbed so much radiation it's not working and he is going to die within hours.

This gives him the time to go off and do his farewells, the Oods sing their song etc, then takes the Tardis off into space to die in peace, then is surprised when the regeneration does kick in and he realises he is gonna change after all.

The wrecked Tardis could have been explained by Smith in his first episode: As the regeneration nearly failed and took so long to take effect, when it finally kicked in it did so with such force it caused some kind of huge feedback within the Tardis own energy fields (or something like that) setting off the explosions.

I suppose this could work without the little changes I noted as well, but it'd work a lot better with the Doctor thinking he was genuinely dying for real.

Actually, the idea that I "suggested" was from Confidential. The radiation caused him to explode. Plus they also needed a way for the Tardis to explode which was Moff's idea as he wanted to effectively start over again.

 

[wiegeabo]

Actually, the idea that I "suggested" was from Confidential. The radiation caused him to explode. Plus they also needed a way for the Tardis to explode which was Moff's idea as he wanted to effectively start over again.

I watched that too.

If you want to blame someone for the Tardis exploding, blame Moffat, not RTD.

 

[RetroNaz]

It wasn't a bad idea anyway. I actually thought the regeneration (sans the farewell stuff) was fine for DT.

And in all honesty, the GA loved it. They loved the long farewell and the sad goodbye, right down to not wanting to "go".

 

[wobbly]

Actually, the idea that I "suggested" was from Confidential. The radiation caused him to explode. Plus they also needed a way for the Tardis to explode which was Moff's idea as he wanted to effectively start over again.

Ah right. Radiation it is then

I like mine better...

 

[Gold Samurai]

That was purely RTD shamefully, albeit successfully (in my case anyway), tugging on the heartstrings of the audience. I'm all for high emotion but it was sort of a dirty thing to do as it made Moffat and Smith's work so much harder.

Yes,yes and triple YES!

RTD intentionally tugged at people's heart strings to get them to bleeding cry. The murray gold music pushed things over the edge

(VALE VALE VALE!!!!!)

If there was some sign of Tennant fighting his regeneration, like Davison, then it would have been better. But he's swanning around the place visiting EVERYONE, preferming complicated acts like getting money from Donna's dad, getting lottery numbers, putting the line on and probably other things... Nah, just not realistic even if he was fighting the regeneration that whole time.

In RTD's mind the 10th doctor is the messiah,your executioner and your only friend. He's the best and STRONGEST DOCTOR EVER!!!!

LOVE HIM AND FEAR HIM!!!!!!!

*shakes fist*

If you say another doctor is better than 10, RTD will choke you!!!



It was even worst when Matt Smith's appearance on The Sarah Jane Adventures was mainly about Tennant/ 10

 

[wiegeabo]

Yes,yes and triple YES!

RTD intentionally tugged at people's heart strings to get them to bleeding cry. The murray gold music pushed things over the edge

(VALE VALE VALE!!!!!)





In RTD's mind the 10th doctor is the messiah,your executioner and your only friend. He's the best and STRONGEST DOCTOR EVER!!!!

LOVE HIM AND FEAR HIM!!!!!!!

*shakes fist*

If you say another doctor is better than 10, RTD will choke you!!!



It was even worst when Matt Smith's appearance on The Sarah Jane Adventures was mainly about Tennant/ 10

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

It was even worst when Matt Smith's appearance on The Sarah Jane Adventures was mainly about Tennant/ 10

What exactly was said?

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Let's just say the Doctor will be all up on his high horse. As will Phelonious to a certain extent, but he's always an entitled bastard.

Just finished To the Death.

Spoiler

I wonder if something's changed at Big Finish because it certainly feels like they're marching towards the Time War.

The Doctor was mostly an ass for good chunks of the episode, especially when he pulled out that "I can't believe you've changed so much," to a girl who's been living under Dalek occupation for at least 2 years.

Of course I wonder if that wasn't intentional now. Maybe showing a guy who had gotten so lost in the certainty of his moral superiority that when all of it blew up in his face he ends up getting his teeth kicked in and being left with nothing.

I dug the scene when he pledged to destroy the Daleks at their creation or when he finally gave the Monk the screaming he was so deserving of and especially the end was incredibly powerful and was the best I've heard McGann in a long long time. I especially loved when he references almost killing the caveman way back in the first episode.

The thing is I know he's going to turn into The Punisher of Time and Space as it were. If the Time War is indeed on the horizon then the characterization makes a lot of sense. If not, I hope when he mellows that he ends up simply being more moderate.

The Monk's desire to meddle is just as bad as the Doctor's obsession with not violating his moral code in the Resurrection of Mars while a slaughter rages around him.

That being said I didn't get why they didn't just load the bomb onto the TARDIS, jury-rig it and drop it down the shaft. That just seemed an obvious solution that nobody thought of.

And the Doctor seemed way more upset about Lucie dying than Alex did which was off.

Oh and Lucie Bleeding Miller had probably the best last line of any companion.

 

[chamber-music]

Tennant really with stronger characterization could have become a much better Doctor. He is absolutely fantastic in the Impossible Planet/Satan Pit and they should have modeled his Doctor's characteristics on that performance moving forward. He's got the starry eyed wonder, he's compassionate, he's a leader to the group and he takes action when its required of him. Really the tops for his Doctor as far as I'm concerned.

It was absolutely insane how he'd switch back and forth between condemning others for defending themselves and repeatedly committing genocide, showing no compassion for Harriet Jones and trying to save Davros/The Master.

HumanDoctor kills Daleks = He must be exiled for being a monster.

Doctor kills Time Lords = No biggy.

And they were all written by the SAME guy.

Yeah his hypocrisy got old fast.

 

[The Question]

Went to a party last night. Made fish Fingers and Custard. It was awesome.

 

[Manic]

Just finished To the Death.

Spoiler

I wonder if something's changed at Big Finish because it certainly feels like they're marching towards the Time War.

The Doctor was mostly an ass for good chunks of the episode, especially when he pulled out that "I can't believe you've changed so much," to a girl who's been living under Dalek occupation for at least 2 years.

Of course I wonder if that wasn't intentional now. Maybe showing a guy who had gotten so lost in the certainty of his moral superiority that when all of it blew up in his face he ends up getting his teeth kicked in and being left with nothing.

I dug the scene when he pledged to destroy the Daleks at their creation or when he finally gave the Monk the screaming he was so deserving of and especially the end was incredibly powerful and was the best I've heard McGann in a long long time. I especially loved when he references almost killing the caveman way back in the first episode.

The thing is I know he's going to turn into The Punisher of Time and Space as it were. If the Time War is indeed on the horizon then the characterization makes a lot of sense. If not, I hope when he mellows that he ends up simply being more moderate.

The Monk's desire to meddle is just as bad as the Doctor's obsession with not violating his moral code in the Resurrection of Mars while a slaughter rages around him.

That being said I didn't get why they didn't just load the bomb onto the TARDIS, jury-rig it and drop it down the shaft. That just seemed an obvious solution that nobody thought of.

And the Doctor seemed way more upset about Lucie dying than Alex did which was off.

Oh and Lucie Bleeding Miller had probably the best last line of any companion.

Spoiler

With the Eighth Doctor Adventures over and McGann's audios returning to the monthly rotation with the other Doctors, I can only wonder where they could possibly take the character from here. Making his next companion Mary Shelley (yes, that Mary Shelley) just makes it more puzzling.

I can understand the Doctor being more upset at Lucie's death than Alex's. Alex may have been family, but the Doctor hardly knew him. They first met in "An Earthly Child" where Alex freaked out at discovering he's not entirely human and initially rejected the Doctor. Then they spent Christmas together. Then we got "To The Death." Meanwhile, the Doctor traveled with Lucie for years before "To The Death."

I loved that this entire season was a big callback to the First Doctor era. You've got the Dalek Invasion of Earth occurring again, the return of Susan, the return of the Monk, and the Doctor's caveman reference.

 

[Matt]

He said: "Getting a part like Rory was great, but now, coming out of it, I need to go and do something completely different."

I'd say that's confirmation he won't be back next year.

Then kill off Rory, I say! The Doctor needs Amy. The chemistry is too good to get rid of.

 

[chamber-music]

They can't kill off Rory now after they have teased his death so many times already. It won't have the emotional impact because we have seen Amy crying over Rorys death before plus his sort of becoming the damsel in distress of the show as they keep needing to rescue/save him

Its funny the one week his not wearing his life saver vest he goes overboard on a pirate ship and drowns

 

[the amazing fro]

I think that if anyone dies its going to be Amy. Killing Rory (again) would be foolish and any hope of dramatic impact has already been squandered by his previous death(s).

 

[Manic]

Then kill off Rory, I say! The Doctor needs Amy. The chemistry is too good to get rid of.

I think if Rory dies again (and Amy can still remember him), Amy will be done with the Doctor. Remember "Amy's Choice."

 

[Matt]

I think if Rory dies again (and Amy can still remember him), Amy will be done with the Doctor. Remember "Amy's Choice."

Then just keep Rory and Amy damn it!

I suppose that's the downside of the show, eh? Lots of cast changes?

 

[Gold Samurai]

I'm itching to see Matt Smith/The eleventh doctor with someone new. I don't think Karen will stay after this season.

Her entire storyline is reaching it's peak climax next week or at end of the season.

 

[regwec]

If Amy were to die, it would be interesting to see Rory stay on and try to rebuild himself.