The Dark Knight Does anyone have any concerns about the movie....

[Clark Kent]

Those films have been out for years. If you haven't seen them yet and you're hanging around here with a bunch of Nolan fans expecting not to be spoiled, it's your own fault for not seeing the rest of his work already! :P

This forum is for Dark Knight spoilers.

 

[Hole Shot]

This forum is for Dark Knight spoilers.

Beat me to the punch.

Signed,

Bruce Willis was the dead the whole movie.

 

[kainedamo]

Petty, sorry and small minded? No. What an intollerant, arrogant and plain out stupid comment.

Would Batman be Batman without a Batsuit? Would Robin be Robin decked out in Blue and Black? Would Superman be Superman if he wasn't wearing Blue and Red? No, no and no.

The Joker being a freak is incredibly important to his character. It is what makes him that much terrifying. With other freaks in Gotham, you take away their doll, or their bowler derby or repair their face - and they can blend into society. They can be accepted.

The Joker is a freak that can never blend in. He is a monster. You take a wet cloth to a guy in clow make up and he loses a bit of his mystique. Dump a bucket of water onto The Joker and he does nothing...but laugh...a lot.

I'd say that as a comic book character, the Joker being permawhite to me is one of his cheesier and more dislikeable traits.

 

[samsnee]

Not so much a concern for THIS movie, but I do wonder, where it's going to go from here since

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Joker lives and it would be odd to not have him in some part in the 3rd movie

 

[Anita18]

Uh, ever heard of spoiler tags?

It did occurr to me, but Memento has been out for nearly 8 years, and The Prestige has been long out on DVD, and is on constant rotation on cable. I kiiinda figured it would be okay to not use spoiler tags.

When's the cutoff date for when we can discuss plot points in TDK openly? A few weeks after it's been out?

 

[BatmanFanatic]

I love the ending of BR. That it rips your heart out is the best part. The problem was that it wasn't followed by a Burton sequel where the heart was, uh, put back in.

Yes... I have a sinking feeling this may happen with this reboot as well. But still I can live with the ending of BR as is, because it had enough hope for me. If TDK has that much at the end I'll be fine... but if it's just a total disaster, someone is going to have to put me back together after the credits.

 

[Hole Shot]

When's the cutoff date for when we can discuss plot points in TDK openly? A few weeks after it's been out?

Monday the 21st according to my rules. If you haven't seen it by then then you're either not a member of this site or you don't live in America so your opinion doesn't mean anything.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

The day after.

Cause if you didn't see it at the midnight premier, you are only posing as a fan and we should take no pity on you... lol

 

[kainedamo]

When I think a writer and director take on a character, what should be at the top of their list is "what is at the core of this character??". Batman is more than his batsuit. The Joker is more than his makeup.

Whether or not Joker's face is permawhite should be completely and utterly secondary. In fact it should be at the bottom of list of considerations. There are far more important things about the character for the writer and director to concern themselves with.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Hah, Chris Nolan doesn't know the meaning of the word "light-hearted" when it comes to films. Just goes to show how much being a big Hollywood director hasn't changed him one bit.

I mean, in Memento, you find out at the end that the protagonist has been lying to himself the entire course of the movie, is being manipulated by other people to suit their own ends, and will never find peace in his life. In The Prestige, you discover that one of the protagonists has been essentially drowning himself every night for who knows how long, and that the other has been living half of a life with his twin, and oh guess what, his twin's dead.

TDK being depressing is just the mark of Chris Nolan, as far as I'm concerned.

Correcto-freaking-mundo. Batman Begins is actually Nolan's most uplifting movie.

 

[Anita18]

Correcto-freaking-mundo. Batman Begins is actually Nolan's most uplifting movie.

And we all know how nicely he cleaned up Gotham at the end of that.

 

[Hole Shot]

Correcto-freaking-mundo. Batman Begins is actually Nolan's most uplifting movie.

Just to argue for the sake of arguing.

Begins ended with him getting rejected by the love of his life and then a hint that the city he is trying to save is going to fall into chaos.

At least in the Prestige the two most selfish magicians were killed and the nice one was reunited with his daughter and Alfred.

 

[Anita18]

Just to argue for the sake of arguing.

Begins ended with him getting rejected by the love of his life and then a hint that the city he is trying to save is going to fall into chaos.

At least in the Prestige the two most selfish magicians were killed and the nice one was reunited with his daughter and Alfred.

That's true. The right guy did "win" after all in The Prestige, but the last image of that film is just so shocking, you're left in the theater looking like

At least in Begins you knew that Gordon and Bats had teamed up.

Oh I forgot to spoil Following

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where it turns out the protagonist had been framed for a murder by a con man and will go to jail because none of his alibis check out.

And Insomnia too.

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In Insomnia both protagonists die, and the "hero" cop wants his legacy to be tarnished for the sake of everyone knowing the truth.

Happy now, Mr. Kent?

 

[BatmanFanatic]

That's true. The right guy did "win" after all in The Prestige, but the last image of that film is just so shocking, you're left in the theater looking like

At least in Begins you knew that Gordon and Bats had teamed up.

Oh I forgot to spoil Following

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where it turns out the protagonist had been framed for a murder by a con man and will go to jail because none of his alibis check out.

And Insomnia too.

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In Insomnia both protagonists die, and the "hero" cop wants his legacy to be tarnished for the sake of everyone knowing the truth.

Happy now, Mr. Kent?

Thank-you, now all Nolan movies can be ruined for those who haven't seen them like I have, lol. (You know you guys can't help but click those little buttons, so why even ask for them )

 

[The Batman]

My concern right now is that the film will end up being too depressing.

I was worried about my feelings when Heath died so tragically and I knew I'd be thinking about that after the film ended, but now it's more about the film itself. For one thing,

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In a "spoilerish" interview Maggie talked about how in her death scene she was freaking out and talking to her lover on the phone, crying etc before she got blown up.

Many other reviews have talked about the fact that in this film everything Batman does doesn't work or ends up getting people hurt/killed. That it's all about "consequences" and the title could have easily been "BATMAN FAILS."
Now I'm listening to the soundtrack and it's all dreary and sad. Like someone pushing themselves through mud to try to be the hero but everything goes wrong no matter how noble their intentions.

I realize it's the middle of a trilogy, but man I don't want to walk out of the theater bummed out all to hell...

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and I really wanted Rachel's character to die because I couldn't stand her in BB, but now with Maggie doing a much better job and how sad the scene is, it's too depressing/realistic. =( I wanted her to die in a "comic book" way.

Anyone else worried?

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which lover?

 

[Etienne]

And Insomnia too.

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In Insomnia both protagonists die, and the "hero" cop wants his legacy to be tarnished for the sake of everyone knowing the truth.

Insomnia was less dark than the original.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I've only seen Insomnia and Batman Begins. I've heard great things from The Prestige and Memento.

 

[Anita18]

I've only seen Insomnia and Batman Begins. I've heard great things from The Prestige and Memento.

What are you doing here for? Go and rent them NOW!

 

[Fanticon]

At least in the Prestige the two most selfish magicians were killed and the nice one was reunited with his daughter and Alfred.

Cute.

 

[Sub-Zero]

my biggest concern is that people here keep claiming 100%accuracy on things that aren't in the movie. i'm all for insane conversations, but when they're claimed as fact when they are obviously not it just makes everyone stupider for reading it. i'm also betting that amh is not the riddler.

 

[Clark Kent]

It did occurr to me, but Memento has been out for nearly 8 years, and The Prestige has been long out on DVD, and is on constant rotation on cable. I kiiinda figured it would be okay to not use spoiler tags.

When's the cutoff date for when we can discuss plot points in TDK openly? A few weeks after it's been out?

I just think that it's wrong to spoil ANY movie. Doesn't matter how long it's been out, even if it's DECADES old. If you're gonna reveal a major plot point, you should always use spoiler tags, IMO. Maybe someone will choose to click the show button anyway, but at least they have that choice. Being able to choose whether you find out about the movie is better than accidentally finding out about it.

This forum is different, because the title very clearly states it's a spoilers forum; so, when discussing The Dark Knight, I don't see the point in using spoiler tags at all. Spoiler tags in a spoilers forum is just nonsensical, IMO. But if you're gonna start discussing OTHER movies, even ones by the same director, I just think it's only fair that you should use spoiler tags.

When I think a writer and director take on a character, what should be at the top of their list is "what is at the core of this character??". Batman is more than his batsuit. The Joker is more than his makeup.

Whether or not Joker's face is permawhite should be completely and utterly secondary. In fact it should be at the bottom of list of considerations. There are far more important things about the character for the writer and director to concern themselves with.

IMO, the Joker's bleaching is a pivotal event that drives him all the way over the edge into complete and total madness. I think it's very important to the core of his character.

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which lover?

Good question.

 

[Clark Kent]

i'm also betting that amh is not the riddler.

I hope you're right.

 

[Tel Aviv]

My biggest beef with Begins was the occasionally ham fisted dialogue and jedi speak ("To conquer fear, you must become fear" "To have a sandwich, you must become a sandwich" etc). I don't know if anyone's familiar with Mystery Men but Ra's and The Sphinx must thinkx alike ("He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions").

To Begins' credit my beef didn't stop me enjoying the buggery out of the film but hopefully TDK won't follow suit.

 

[Charlie The Red]

Right now I'm pretty concerned that this movie will be so awesome that my heart will explode from watching it.

That's my chief concern.

 

[beyond_death]

Right now I'm pretty concerned that this movie will be so awesome that my heart will explode from watching it.

That's my chief concern.

You and me both