Does anyone like the idea of Hulk getting bigger with anger?

[Cracker Jack]

Also I haven't insulted you in any shape or form, if you are unwilling to put together full proof reasoning and you get offended when obvious holes are noticed, then that is your fault entirely. Please get back on topic with my spidey 2 comparison.

I'm sure you probably rank spiderman 2 as one of your favourite comic book films yet power loss due to lusting after MJ didnt occur in the comics, correct me if i am wrong.

What was this then? Lusting after MJ. Oh I see, you were making an observation that I lust for MJ and am blinded by that. I’ll let that go. I think most people would say the SM2 is one of the best comic book movies to date. Besides that, I'm not talking about what changes were made in that or any other movie, I'm talking about the Hulk. If you want to talk about Spider-Man, feel free to go to the Spider-Man fourms t:

Besides more than likely it was his first battle as the hulk so just like stated with the jumping, he's unaware of his limits strength and stamina wise at that time

What? He didn't know his strength or stamina levels? LOL. Didn't he Jump off the roof. Didn't he jump to save Betty? After the dog fight, which I thought was pretty cool, he then battles his way out of the underground base, gets bombed by three tanks, get's blasted by a tank, tosses a tank a few miles away, takes down a helicopter, get buried, takes a plane ride into the stratosphere, falls from said sphere, gets bombed by planes, swims underwater and comes up threw the ground and the whole time doesn’t break a sweat. But he fights three dog, that he tears apart, and is subdued. That makes sense to you?

 

[antsiou]

I'm sure you probably rank spiderman 2 as one of your favourite comic book films yet power loss due to lusting after MJ didnt occur in the comics, correct me if i am wrong.


What was this then? Lusting after MJ. Oh I see, you were making an observation that I lust for MJ and am blinded by that. I’ll let that go.

Not to get in a point that isn't mine, but I didn't know you were in a spider man comic book...

maybe it's just Peter who lost his power cause HE was lusting after MJ....

 

[November Rain]

*sigh*

the lusting after mj comment was in reference to how peter parker's powers work

he lusts after mj, then he loses powers.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Not to get in a point that isn't mine, but I didn't know you were in a spider man comic book...

maybe it's just Peter who lost his power cause HE was lusting after MJ....

Ah, I read it wrong. I read it as NR was saying I was lusting after MJ. My Apologies NR.

 

[antsiou]

Ah, I read it wrong. I read it as NR was saying I was lusting after MJ. My Apologies NR.

bah it happens, who wouldn't, even Wolvie did

Anyway, back to Hulk Topic
I think that Hulk having a hard time with the dog was totally justified and worked with the story...
First fight for him, so he learns and get angrier and wins...
yes he does grow a bit bigger, allowing him to brake the jaw of the dog of his shoulder... (savage i liked it)....

 

[November Rain]

I think most people would say the SM2 is one of the best comic book movies to date. Besides that, I'm not talking about what changes were made in that or any other movie, I'm talking about the Hulk. If you want to talk about Spider-Man, feel free to go to the Spider-Man fourms t:

Ultimately this example just shows that you use 'Not original material' as a means to label one thing bad yet you idolise something that does the same thing and you come off as hypocritical.

This just makes your posts less credible as your reasoning isn't consistent and it looks like you're looking for reasons not to like it.

What? He didn't know his strength or stamina levels? LOL. Didn't he Jump off the roof. Didn't he jump to save Betty? After the dog fight, which I thought was pretty cool, he then battles his way out of the underground base, gets bombed by three tanks, get's blasted by a tank, tosses a tank a few miles away, takes down a helicopter, get buried, takes a plane ride into the stratosphere, falls from said sphere, gets bombed by planes, swims underwater and comes up threw the ground and the whole time doesn’t break a sweat. But he fights three dog, that he tears apart, and is subdued. That makes sense to you?

*sigh*

a single jump does not require stamina

he never showed any consistent battling during his escape from teh gamma base, he broke one door and chucked one revolving thing, it hardly requires any stamina

the tank toss is a single act of strength and doesn't required any sort of maintained stamina

helicopter scenes were mostly running, hardly any fighting. If you ask any runner against any boxer, you would know 3 minutes of running is far less exhausting compared to three minutes of fighting a human, let alone wrestling three mutant sized canines.

all the scenes in san fran didn't have the hulk fighting anything.


He also got lots of large breaks in those scenes and time to recover which he didn't have after the dog fight. I'm happy judging from the footage that he is indeed exhausted after such a feat.

If he was continually shot with shells and mortars and had to beat and wrestle every single helicopter, plane and tank into a bloody pulpy mess, then you would be able to relate the scenes but unfortunately you can't in this manner.

 

[November Rain]

Ah, I read it wrong. I read it as NR was saying I was lusting after MJ. My Apologies NR.

meh...

no worries

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

ehm... they weren't just "normal" dogs... they were dogs with a surrogate of the Hulk power... they were instable, but really powerful.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Ultimately this example just shows that you use 'Not original material' as a means to label one thing bad yet you idolise something that does the same thing and you come off as hypocritical.

I'm happy judging from the footage that he is indeed exhausted after such a feat.

If he was continually shot with shells and mortars and had to beat and wrestle every single helicopter, plane and tank into a bloody pulpy mess, then you would be able to relate the scenes but unfortunately you can't in this manner.

Ok if you say that all that running and such isn't more taxing than rolling around on the ground fighting dogs. I guess. My point being, and this has very little to do with what I think, This is The Hulk we're talking about correct? THE INCREDIBLE HULK right? He get's tried after fighting three dogs? That’s consistent with the TV Hulk but not The Incredible Hulk. Usually when the Hulk is mad he stays mad for awhile and then calms down and turns back to Banner. The anger pumping adrenalin through he veins and stuff like that usually keeps you going for awhile. I don’t know, it works that way for me. I’ve just never seen the Hulk get tired after fighting. Not saying that it doesn’t happen or couldn’t happen. Just that it doesn’t seem all that incredible to me. Kinda give him limits.

 

[November Rain]

since the dogs were also 'hulked' out, it's equivalent to a man with no protection facing three wild dogs ON his FIRST try.

c'mon man, cut the hulk some slack...I'd like to see you fight three dogs...

 

[Cracker Jack]

since the dogs were also 'hulked' out, it's equivalent to a man with no protection facing three wild dogs ON his FIRST try.

c'mon man, cut the hulk some slack...I'd like to see you fight three dogs...

But I'm not the Hulk, I'm Batman. t: The point is NR, Ok they were Gamma Dogs. Yes they were Hulked up. Would you agree that Abomy is gona be stronger than the Hulk at first and a hell of a lot stronger then three Hulk dogs. What's he gona do against Abomy? Get his ass kicked and take a nap because he's spent. Again, it's not very Incredible to me. What is Incredible to me is the idea that The Hulk has limitless strength and yes stamina. He’s like the Terminator. To paraphrase a quote from the Terminator

"He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead. "

 

[November Rain]

The hulk didn't show signs of fatigue until the last dog was killed.

There's no big deal here, it's his first ever proper fight. Perfectly understandable.

The hulk has limitless strength and stamina in battle while enraged. he was no longer enraged and was on his way back to transforming into bruce and that's when the fatigue hit.

This is the hulk that normally in comics passes out in the middle of no where and then bruce wakes up later with a 'WTF' look on his face.

If anything it was done to highlight the ferocity of the beasts.

I think highlighting that scene can be seen as nitpicking as there are reasonable suggestions as to why this movie's (and not the comic book's) hulk felt exhausted after having his very first fight with three big dogs, especially when one bit him right at the very end

 

[antsiou]

But I'm not the Hulk, I'm Batman. t: The point is NR, Ok they were Gamma Dogs. Yes they were Hulked up. Would you agree that Abomy is gona be stronger than the Hulk at first and a hell of a lot stronger then three Hulk dogs. What's he gona do against Abomy? Get his ass kicked and take a nap because he's spent. Again, it's not very Incredible to me. What is Incredible to me is the idea that The Hulk has limitless strength and yes stamina. He’s like the Terminator. To paraphrase a quote from the Terminator

"He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead. "

Craker, I thought that as a long time reader you would know that Hulk ain't the Terminator...

Just food for thought, he's now going (in the comic) on rampage againt Earth Champions in WWH...
In before arriving earth, he fights some aliens, and sees in all his rage, only the illuminati (iron man, etc), he's that close to kill one of his warbound, but he's stopped before giving the fatal hit...
Yet right after, he's in denial he could have really hurt his warbound, and just ask to be left alone... all the other warbounds are concerned about how far can hulk go....

the point:

Hulk as you know, does feel and reasons, somehow...
off course the madder he gets, the less reasoned he can be (only betty can achieve that)
It doesn't mean that he's not incredible nonetheless...
I agree that without being hulked out, the fight with 3 dogs could have beena bad episode ot the TV show. But no, the dogs were hulked, and even though they are no match to Hulk and Abomination, they were Hulk 1st fight against something "STRONG"

Hulk has limitless strenght, and stamina (and healing power, and resistance to pshychic attacks, etc etc...), but he is not a Uber-powerful unstoppable monster 24/7....
Like Peter Griffin would says, it's only when you "grind his gear"t: that Hulk can go one level upper, and on and on, until what point exactly?? we don;t really know...

So let's see the dog as they were: the first way of showing us audience, Hulk in action....
What would have been the point of the movie if from the first Hulk fight, he was already at his top??? Every movie/stroy needs a progression of the character.

 

[Cracker Jack]

I think highlighting that scene can be seen as nitpicking as there are reasonable suggestions as to why this movie's (and not the comic book's) hulk felt exhausted after having his very first fight with three big dogs, especially when one bit him right at the very end

Yes it is nitpicking. Finally, something we can agree on. (Sheesh I was starting to lose hope) This is my point. The move Hulk was not like the comic Hulk in this regard. Overall, I think, and have said so, that Ang did a pretty good job bringing The Hulk to the screen. I understand your argument why he was tired. However, I thought it was kinda lame that he’d get tired from fighting three Gamma Dogs. I can see him getting spent after taking on the Avengers or Thor, but three dogs? Na. It doesn't fly. I know he changes back to Banner when he becomes calm. I don’t think he’d be calm after that fight and he certainly didn’t look like he was calm.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Craker, I thought that as a long time reader you would know that Hulk ain't the Terminator...

Antsiou, I know this. I just thought it was a pretty cool way to explain the Hulks limitless strength and stamina. It sounded cool to me t:
And it does apply to the Hulk when he's inraged. In TIH 205 when the Crypto-Man kills Jarella. I don't think anything could have stoped him.

 

[antsiou]

Antsiou, I know this. I just thought it was a pretty cool way to explain the Hulks limitless strength and stamina. It sounded cool to me t:
And it does apply to the Hulk when he's inraged. In TIH 205 when the Crypto-Man kills Jarella. I don't think anything could have stoped him.

I agree with you about the Crypto-Man story line (which is re-done with WWH)...
unstoppable Hulk...

BTW, i wasn't trying to patronize you, I forgot to put the necessary smiley face

 

[Cracker Jack]

I agree with you about the Crypto-Man story line (which is re-done with WWH)...
unstoppable Hulk...

BTW, i wasn't trying to patronize you, I forgot to put the necessary smiley face

I really need to get out to a comic shop. I started collecting again after Jones left the book. Pickup 3 or 4 issues but then for one reason or another (mostly because I'm about 30 miles from the nearest comic shop) couldn't get to the comic shop.

I didn't think you were patronizing me. The Hulk can be reasoned with and does feel pitty, not so sure about Crypto-Man though. However, you said "So let's see the dog as they were: the first way of showing us audience, Hulk in action...." that's all good and grand. But what if, like me, they though, "He gets tired after fighting three dogs? " You have to admit, he looked like he was going to pass out.

 

[antsiou]

OK Cracker, I get your point and I think, that yes people can see he looks tired. I just don't see it as reducing Hulk's incredible power.

i know that the first time i watched the movie, i wasnt thinking that Hulk as to build up on rage through out the film, I was just thinking:" whaooo, that was savage fight, Stressfull for Hulk to fight and knowing Betty's at stake. No wonder when the adrenaline rush is of (and nanomeds, and gamma) he seems tired..."
For what he did, it seemed like normal, so more connection between Hulk and me... (then i started noticing things and analysing it, but it;s another story )

And like NR said, he was on the verge of transforming back to Banner, thus weaker by essence

 

[Cracker Jack]

Fair enough. Like you I thought the fight was cool and savage but then he got tired. I was will to give Angs version and reasoning a try, then i started noticing things and analysing it and like you said that's another story. t:

 

[Nivek]

Inflatable Hulk is a stupid, unimaginative way of cheating the viewer to show the Hulk getting stronger. Thank you John Hensleigh for making your wife Gale Ann Hurd think that was a good idea.

 

[manofsteel4life]

bah it happens, who wouldn't, even Wolvie did

Anyway, back to Hulk Topic
I think that Hulk having a hard time with the dog was totally justified and worked with the story...
First fight for him, so he learns and get angrier and wins...
yes he does grow a bit bigger, allowing him to brake the jaw of the dog of his shoulder... (savage i liked it)....

this is what i thought was cool in the first movie....im hoping they do something to that effect in the incredible hulk

 

[November Rain]

yeah for all you growth haters, i bet you loved hulk's shoulder growing to break that dog's jaw...

that was classic ownage...

 

[antsiou]

Ownage #1

Ownage #2

Ownage #3

Too bad i can't get the Story board for the Shoulder Jaw Breaking scene (and jaw dropping to me)

 

[Cracker Jack]

yeah for all you growth haters, i bet you loved hulk's shoulder growing to break that dog's jaw...

that was classic ownage...

Sorry, I thought it was stupid. It was as if he said "Go bulk Go."

 

[Sava]

Sorry, I thought it was stupid. It was as if he said "Go bulk Go."

you are kiding me... hulk couldnt get a grip and used his muscles to break a dogs jaw... HIS MUSCLES!!!

i'd like to see Spiderman try that s**t.