Does Marvel have a problem with their villains?

[Darth_Spock]

I feel like Kurse was more of a threat than both Malekith and Apocalypse. he basically owned in every scene that he was in.

 

[metaphysician]

Its worth noting that, if it weren't for Kurse, Frigga would have killed Malekith dead early in the movie. And Kurse himself was the guy who kicked the crap out of Thor. So, not seeing a problem with Frigga here.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Kurse actually looked pretty cool in Thor 2. I wish more could've been done with him because he was at least a physical threat to Thor.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think Kurse actually looked pretty cool in Thor 2. I wish more could've been done with him because he was at least a physical threat to Thor.

Definitely, I liked what we got from him mostly. Though his fight with Thor ended up being a bit of a let down.

 

[Flint Marko]

Does Marvel have ample room for improvement in making consistently memorable antagonists? Absolutely. Know who else has this problem? Every single studio holding comic book properties. Hell, I'd argue that the competing studio's "villain problems" are sometimes even worse...

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So from what very little I've read about Suicide Squad, most are in agreement that the villain is atrocious. Looks like my point here deserves revisiting.

 

[harryoscop]

So from what very little I've read about Suicide Squad, most are in agreement that the villain is atrocious. Looks like my point here deserves revisiting.

Parallax and Green Goblin himself weren't even that bad. And speaking of Goblin, Marvel completely dropped the ball on the Vulture's design; he looks like a character from Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell games... It barely looks like comic Vulture and everybody loves it calling the comic design cheesy and stupid yet TASM2 Goblin was universally **** on for looking nothing the comic Goblin & being an "Evil Ed" knockoff. Seriously, Vulture looks like an Amazing Spider-Man universe design.

Where are the Vulture Splinter Cell comparisons? I smell bias.

Designs aside, I hope Keaton is great and turns out to be one of the better MCU villains.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Where are the Vulture Splinter Cell comparisons? I smell bias.

Just because you dont like it since its not what you wanted or expected doesnt mean there's bias when other people like it.

 

[harryoscop]

Just because you dont like it since its not what you wanted or expected doesnt mean there's bias when other people like it.

Not saying other ppl can't like it, I just find it odd how everybody loves it for the same reasons they hated Green Goblin. Also don't forget "Power Ranger Goblin" and "Snow boarder Goblin" and "Dr. Manhattan Electro" and "Goomba Lizard"

 

[NotNickFury]

Could Vulture end up in a scenario similar to "New Goblin" from Spider-Man 3 where he's got the costume, but doesn't wear the mask all that often? If I can even call what Harry wore a mask.

 

[metaphysician]

So from what very little I've read about Suicide Squad, most are in agreement that the villain is atrocious. Looks like my point here deserves revisiting.

The sad thing is, a Suicide Squad movie doesn't really *need* a compelling villain. At least IMO, the "villain" as such mostly just needs to provide justification for the scenario. The main drama is the interpersonal interactions of the Squad members themselves.

Of course, this only works if you *actually have* compelling interpersonal drama. . .

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Could Vulture end up in a scenario similar to "New Goblin" from Spider-Man 3 where he's got the costume, but doesn't wear the mask all that often? If I can even call what Harry wore a mask.

I hope so because Vulture not mask wearing villain.

 

[Zant]

Looking forward, I am expecting Vulture to be at least above average. They can't surely waste a talent like Michael Keaton, can they? He seems like the kind of person that will fight for the character so that the scenes developing him won't end up in the cutting floor. Although, it did not work out so well for Mickey Rourke when he tried to do that.

 

[Web-Head]

Looking forward, I am expecting Vulture to be at least above average. They can't surely waste a talent like Michael Keaton, can they? He seems like the kind of person that will fight for the character so that the scenes developing him won't end up in the cutting floor. Although, it did not work out so well for Mickey Rourke when he tried to do that.

I hope they don't. Holland really seemed to be pushing how awesome Vulture is in a couple interviews at SDCC, so that leaves me a little more hopeful. It really just comes down to, like you said, not leaving the scenes developing him on the cutting floor and actually allowing them to have a little bit of the spotlight.

 

[TheVileOne]

This could be an outstanding role for Keaton if they play it the right way. I hope it lives up to its potential.

 

[Shikamaru]

IMO, Vulture not being at least above average would be a huge detriment to Marvel.

The excuse we heard till now was "they don't have the rights to their best rogues". Well, they now got their Spider-Man rogues and are going for a Sinister Six villain supposedly played by Keaton. How could you possibly drop the ball this time?

 

[Zant]

Keaton did initially reject the role right? Maybe he wanted his characters role to be beefed up before finally accepting the role. Critics may not be as forgiving if they waste Keaton in the film.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Even as a huge Spidey fan I dislike the Vulture as a villain personally. He is definitely my least favourite Spidey villain. So I wouldn't be too bothered if he turns out poor. But when they get to the likes of Green Goblin, Doc Ock, etc, they definitely need to step up their game.

We have Thanos to come in the meantime though so for now he is my biggest worry.

 

[Guard82]

IMO, Vulture not being at least above average would be a huge detriment to Marvel.

The excuse we heard till now was "they don't have the rights to their best rogues". Well, they now got their Spider-Man rogues and are going for a Sinister Six villain supposedly played by Keaton. How could you possibly drop the ball this time?

I'm fairly confident that Vulture will be at least above average. Even before Marvel got the rights to the Spidey rogues back, we already saw some recent improvement regarding villains with the use of Zemo in Civil War. I think Zemo definitely ranks as one of the better villains in the MCU -- certainly above average at the very least. He's not the main focus of the movie, but the way he contributes to it works well and makes logical sense within the context of the story. Even with relatively limited screentime, Zemo adds something positive to the film and never feels wasted. Hopefully Vulture will at least be similar in that regard.

 

[Mike Murdock]

IMO, Vulture not being at least above average would be a huge detriment to Marvel.

The excuse we heard till now was "they don't have the rights to their best rogues". Well, they now got their Spider-Man rogues and are going for a Sinister Six villain supposedly played by Keaton. How could you possibly drop the ball this time?

That's an excuse, but the main justification is that Marvel focuses on the heroes. The movies are about them more than the villains (compare to Batman movies, which have traditionally placed more emphasis on the bad guys over Batman).

Besides, most people complain about Vulture too. He's not considered the very top of Spider-Man's Rogue's Gallery even though I think he remains the logical choice for this movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That's an excuse, but the main justification is that Marvel focuses on the heroes. The movies are about them more than the villains (compare to Batman movies, which have traditionally placed more emphasis on the bad guys over Batman).

Besides, most people complain about Vulture too. He's not considered the very top of Spider-Man's Rogue's Gallery even though I think he remains the logical choice for this movie.

I think them focusing more on the heroes is fine for the first movies. But once the sequels started coming along I was hoping the villains would get more focus. But unfortunately sequels have not been Marvels strong point for the most part and the villains have suffered there as well.

Agreed on Vulture though, he is easily my least favourite Spidey villain.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Spidey's already had a bout with Falcon in CW and made quick work of him as far as winged adversaries go. So Marvel will have to step up Vultures powers as well as the excitement factor for this villain.

So please no rehash of old plots making Peter know Adrian Toomes like with Doctor Connors or Dr. Octavius either!

 

[Chesterfield]

Spidey's already had a bout with Falcon in CW and made quick work of him as far as winged adversaries go. So Marvel will have to step up Vultures powers as well as the excitement factor for this villain.

So please no rehash of old plots making Peter know Adrian Toomes like with Doctor Connors or Dr. Octavius either!

Falcon isn't vulture though. Vulture is a savvy and far more resourceful mo'fo with sinister motivations and won't hesitate to murder spider-man.

 

[Web-Head]

Spidey's already had a bout with Falcon in CW and made quick work of him as far as winged adversaries go. So Marvel will have to step up Vultures powers as well as the excitement factor for this villain.

So please no rehash of old plots making Peter know Adrian Toomes like with Doctor Connors or Dr. Octavius either!

It's sounding like Vultures suit will be a lot more tech savvy and have a ton more weapons. Vulture will also be out to kill, Falcon wasn't.

 

[Web-Head]

I don't wanna hear about the MCU villain problem after BvS and Suicide Squad...that's for sure.

 

[First Avenger]

So,after Lex,Doomsday,Apocalypse and its Horsemen and SS villain,not to say Doom 2015,Electro,Green Goblin,Rhino etc. can we stop pretending this is just Marvel's problem and rename the thread:"Do CBMs have a villains problem?"?