Doubting the Ghost Rider Movie

[ritually shorn]

Daredevil sucked but hopefully this will be different. Ghost Rider is a great character and I'm hoping this director can and will do better.

 

[TheGhostRider]

A film about Ghost Rider cannot be anywhere near a PG-13 were talkin about the baddest mofo ever here come on do u really think there gonna make it a 13? would u want ur kids to go see ghost and wet themselve in the cinema i think not so i doubt this film will be a PG-13

 

[Zalaster]

A rating in itself is not an indicator of a film's worth. I agree that PG-13 works because GR has been a comics code comic. PG-13 allows a greater audience as well. GR is a badass mofo, but he tends more towards menacing presence than blood and gore that would ellicit the R rating.

As far as Micheal Duncan Clark goes, can you name a white actor with the same physical presence and acting ability that could have played Kingpin?

I will be seeing GR on the big screen whenever it comes out no matter what of course

 

[TheGhostRider]

There was no other man that could have played KingPin so how could he not be the KingPin

 

[Spidey-Quad]

Never! Make Mine Marvel

 

[Red Mask]

There was no other man that could have played KingPin so how could he not be the KingPin

Well, if you invest millions of extra dollars for CGI, you could have the complete opposite of LOTR's Golum. But do you really think that's a sound decision when all you need is a real person?

It's better to put those millions in the CGI of Ghost Rider.

 

[FlameHead]

Most of the budget for the GR movie will go to CGI. NO doubt about that, if they care about the movie at all that is.

 

[Sledge]

Since the PG-13/R Rating seems to be a big topic...

Alien vs. Predator come to mind. You see where I'm going with this? You have two great movie franchises Alien and Predator, all of which were R-Rated. The originals are considered classics and while Predator 2 wasn't great by all means it was a hell of a lot better than AvP. My point is look how good the R rated versions were. Then look at AvP a PG-13 movie. It sucked horribly. There was too much they had to hold back to make it PG-13 (which I think is crap considering if it's PG-13 it will bring in a lot of young people that would be scared *****less by the originals. Plus, they made the Predator a puss. lol)

The Punisher also comes to mind. R-Rated but think how bad it would have been had it been PG-13. I loved The Punisher but without some of the cool ***** we saw it wouldn't have been as good and a good chunk would have to be taken out. (Hell, I dont think a PG-13 movie would have a kid and his mommy die like the way they did.) Try to picture Punisher as a PG-13 and that is exactly why GR needs to be R.

(BTW, I get teary eyed everytime when he puts the gun in his mouth at the end... LOL!)

 

[FlameHead]

Well said my friend. I hope that the studio will see exactly the same way you (and the rest of us true GR fans) do. I just fear that the script isn't exactly how we want it to be. I fear it'll lack the vengence and involve more of the Blaze struggle... as I've always feared.

 

[ViscaBarcaInter]

Kingpin is not fat. He only has 2% body fat. His size is all muscle baby, muscle.
Personally, I have no problem with them using MCD in DareDevil. Where else where they goingi to get a man that large to do that? Nowhere.

As for Ghost Rider, there is no way they are going to make this movie for kids... and I'm sorta pleading with somebody 'up there' when I say that.

I had no problem with that either. The producers had stated that he was the only decent actor who auditioned/asked for the part, as the only white guys that were possibilities were wrestlers. And everyone knows how comic book fans feel about wrestlers playing comic characters.

Ghost Rider probably will R rated. It's not so much the violence, but the actual character and the stuff involved. Hell, it's almost occult! There are some things that shouldn't be sacrificed so kids can watch. Personally, as much as I loved Spider-Man 2, every time I went to see it I felt like dishing out some Punishment. To the kids behind me talking about how great it was then how **** it was, and so on. To the pair who went to the toilet 8 times. To the kid who ran to the toilet every 15 minutes (although he had the decency to do a commando crawl back to his seat). To the little girl who kept asking what Spider-Man was doing in every scene. To all the people shouting and screaming.

No, I'd like to see Ghost Rider in Peace dammit!

 

[FlameHead]

*stands up and slowly begins clapping, building into an ovation worthy of kings*

Bravo! Bravo!

 

[WarBlade]

Frankly, I could care less what classification US censorship authorities dump on GR. My take on the situation is I simply want a film that is faithful to the comicbook. For the original series that meant a Jekyll & Hyde tale of a man struggling to contain his skull-headed and violent alter-ego in a Faustian tale of love, deception, pain and more. That comicbook delt with demons, the occult, human sacrifices and the psychology of a man going practically insane with his personal struggle and I really fail to see how much of that can be faithfully interpreted to screen in a version that is suitable for a younger audience.

With regards to the penance stare of the second series, I actually envisioned something far worse than just a pair of glowing eyes and some criminal turning catatonic under their baleful red glow. Within those eyes the criminals were said to have lived the experience that they themselves had forced upon others. To me that meant if some guy had bashed in someone's head with a crowbar, they would then see in GR's eyes an image of themselves revisiting that same misery on someone and then witness the situation twist further to the victim's perspective so as to look up at their own face as they experience the sensation of getting bludgeoned to death.

In other words, really . . . sick . . . $hit. Something not suitable for minors to go and see anyway.

Furthermore, while Ghost Rider II maintained a no killing policy, those he hunted most certainly did not. They weren't on GR's hit list for burglary or kidnapping or smuggling. They were killers. Cold-blooded murderers who often had no qualms about snuffing the life of a child. Forget Deacon Frost grabbing a girl bystander for a random hostage in the First Blade movie. In GR second series Skinner sliced up his own wife and kids, because he was through with living like a human and Blackout tore the throat out of his news anchorwoman ex-girlfriend in mid-broadcast, just to get Ghost Rider's attention.

The comics were dark. While some of the material may have made a screen translation like what we saw with Hellboy, there was also the material that was headed well in the direction of Silence of the Lambs or Se7en.

I just want a faithful interpretation and censorship ratings can go sit on a corkscrew and rotate.

 

[TheGhostRider]

Since the PG-13/R Rating seems to be a big topic...

Alien vs. Predator come to mind. You see where I'm going with this? You have two great movie franchises Alien and Predator, all of which were R-Rated. The originals are considered classics and while Predator 2 wasn't great by all means it was a hell of a lot better than AvP. My point is look how good the R rated versions were. Then look at AvP a PG-13 movie. It sucked horribly. There was too much they had to hold back to make it PG-13 (which I think is crap considering if it's PG-13 it will bring in a lot of young people that would be scared *****less by the originals. Plus, they made the Predator a puss. lol)

The Punisher also comes to mind. R-Rated but think how bad it would have been had it been PG-13. I loved The Punisher but without some of the cool ***** we saw it wouldn't have been as good and a good chunk would have to be taken out. (Hell, I dont think a PG-13 movie would have a kid and his mommy die like the way they did.) Try to picture Punisher as a PG-13 and that is exactly why GR needs to be R.

(BTW, I get teary eyed everytime when he puts the gun in his mouth at the end... LOL!)

Thats a good point I've saw AvP and it sucked really bad compared to the originals and it was all because they couldnt have lil kids watchin a film where you see the predators and aliens eating ppl and ripping them to spreds u didnt even get to see the predator take any skulls and spines and all becuase it was pg-13 so if we want a faithful comic book film about Ghost rider it has to be r rated so that they can keep in the details if its pg-13 you probably wont even see the real transformation, can you think of a lil girl or boy watching a mans face burn and boil and his skin drip away i think not unless you want them scared for life

 

[Sledge]

I know it has nothing to do with GR but what this assclown said pissed me off.

...as the only white guys that were possibilities were wrestlers. And everyone knows how comic book fans feel about wrestlers playing comic characters.

No, I don't know how comic book fans feel about wrestlers playing comic characters. Enlighten me. It's not like there have been a ton of wrestlers in Super Hero movies. The only ones that come to mind are Kevin Nash as The Russian in Punisher, Taylor Mane as Sabretooth in X-Men, Macho Man as Bonesaw in Spider-Man, and now Triple H as Jarko Grimwood in Blade: Trinity.

I really don't know what you mean, but obviously what you're saying is supposed to be negative. I think each of them were great in their roles. Hell, Bonesaw WAS a wrestler in Spider-Man, so a wrestler playing him isn't so crazy is it?

I just figure the reason you, or anyone else, doesn't like them is because of what they do for a living and you don't have any respect for the business, which if you understood in the first place you would actually have respect for.

I dunno. I'm biased towards it I guess since I'm a huge WWE fan. I really DO think it's stupid if the reason you don't like them is because of what they do for a living outside of the movies, if the reason was because they aren't good actors that would be another thing. I just figured you mean what every other closed mind person thinks about wrestling. Hey, whatever, but at least they had a dream about being wrestlers from growing up watching guys like Hulk Hogan, and they made their dreams happen. Which is more than I can say for most people.

I'm sure Donnie Darko would agree. (I saw a wrestler in his avatar so I figured...) lol



If we're going to be stereotypical... I'm sure people that don't like comics think we're all nerds living in our parents basement, never having a girl, and never amounting to anything. Very few are like that though. It only seems to be true in the people that also hate wrestlers being in movies just because they don't respect wrestling.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled topic... unless y'all want to bash me for liking wrestling (bring it , I wanna know who all the closed-minded assclowns are.).

(Sorry y'all that don't care either way. Just had to publically get that off my chest since it pissed me off as much as it did.)

 

[TheGhostRider]

Well Sledge if u look he didnt actually say anythin bad about wrestling he just made a point that most comic book fans dont like wrestlers in movies because they cant act i myself was once a wrestling fan until it became all about story lines and not the wrestling and im sure Visa is the same and all the wrestlers you mentioned in the roles look at how many lines they had and how much of a impact they had on the story.

 

[ViscaBarcaInter]

I know it has nothing to do with GR but what this assclown said pissed me off.

No, I don't know how comic book fans feel about wrestlers playing comic characters. Enlighten me. It's not like there have been a ton of wrestlers in Super Hero movies. The only ones that come to mind are Kevin Nash as The Russian in Punisher, Taylor Mane as Sabretooth in X-Men, Macho Man as Bonesaw in Spider-Man, and now Triple H as Jarko Grimwood in Blade: Trinity.

I really don't know what you mean, but obviously what you're saying is supposed to be negative. I think each of them were great in their roles. Hell, Bonesaw WAS a wrestler in Spider-Man, so a wrestler playing him isn't so crazy is it?

I just figure the reason you, or anyone else, doesn't like them is because of what they do for a living and you don't have any respect for the business, which if you understood in the first place you would actually have respect for.

I dunno. I'm biased towards it I guess since I'm a huge WWE fan. I really DO think it's stupid if the reason you don't like them is because of what they do for a living outside of the movies, if the reason was because they aren't good actors that would be another thing. I just figured you mean what every other closed mind person thinks about wrestling. Hey, whatever, but at least they had a dream about being wrestlers from growing up watching guys like Hulk Hogan, and they made their dreams happen. Which is more than I can say for most people.

I'm sure Donnie Darko would agree. (I saw a wrestler in his avatar so I figured...) lol



If we're going to be stereotypical... I'm sure people that don't like comics think we're all nerds living in our parents basement, never having a girl, and never amounting to anything. Very few are like that though. It only seems to be true in the people that also hate wrestlers being in movies just because they don't respect wrestling.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled topic... unless y'all want to bash me for liking wrestling (bring it , I wanna know who all the closed-minded assclowns are.).

(Sorry y'all that don't care either way. Just had to publically get that off my chest since it pissed me off as much as it did.)

No, I'm with you on the wrestlers thing. I'm a long time fan myself. But I've always noticed a LOT of people freaking out when someone says something like "Triple H for Thor" or something like that. They don't suggest anyone else, they just lash out at the idea of a wrestler playing a Superhero/Villain.

Personally, I don't see a problem with it. Professional wrestling IS live acting, after all, and there are a couple of wrestlers that could do a job as a comic character. We'll be able to judge better after Blade Trinity. If Triple H does a decent job of his character, he might be given a better opportunity, because he has the physique and the bad ass attitude to give a character justice. I don't feel a wrestler should be ruled out ENTIRELY because he is a wrestler.

 

[Sledge]

You're right. Absolutely not. While some of the wrestlers can't act worth a crap there are still the guys that are pretty damn convincing and I'm not talking about in the ring I'm talking about in the promos. Some of them can get the fans either pissed at or cheering for their character with just the faces they make and the actions they do (not counting the wrestling lol). I heard Trips is supposed to be awesome in Blade: Trinity and people thought he was so good that he is actually going to be in a new movie. It was supposed to start filming a few months ago but he ended up staying when the roster was in need of bigger names. Anyways he IS supposed to have his own lead role in something, I don't think it's a Comic though. Triple H and The Rock can justify that wrestlers can be good actors (Hogan sucked but atleast they had enough faith in him to put him in a handful of movies...lol).

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

You can pretty much just see how wrestlers act just from watching a WWE show once. I mean they are pretty much putting on a play that goes on most of the year. So if you have questionable thoughts about a wrestler's acting ability then just watch a show. I am not a fan of wrestling much anymore but I gotta say most them have done decent in the films they were in.

 

[ViscaBarcaInter]

Yep. Well, "What'cha Gonna Do"!



Couldn't help it. You wrote "Hulk" and I instantly thought of 24 inch pythons!

 

[YJ1]

no way daredevil was ok

and ghost ride should be too!

The Ghost will RIDE again

Daredevil was better then OK and Nic Cage would be PERFECT! Ghost Rider will be a great film, PG-13 or not.

 

[TheGhostRider]

When The Hulkster Goes Wild On You!!!!!

 

[FlameHead]

WarBlade, I love reading the thing you write about our favorite Marvel hero. You have so much passion for the character that it almost brings a tear to my ear to read what you write. You're thoughts on the Penance Stare are right on. Exactly how I pictured it being. It's not some wussy power used to inflict fear. It's a terribly frighting power used to inflict pain. The same pains the reciever has inflicted on others, whatever that may be. If the one in question made a person cry from yelling at them, Ghost Rider will make that person feel the exact same pain. If they raped a small girl before tossing the lifeless body from a bridge, then Ghost Rider will make them experience that... but still live. Live to feel that pain for the rest of their now useless lives.

Oh... and Skinner was awesome. Such a powerfull character. I think I'd pick him as my favorite Lilin.

As for wrestlers acting in movies? I don't have any problem with Kevin Nash as The Russian in Punisher, Taylor Mane as Sabretooth in X-Men, Macho Man as Bonesaw in Spider-Man, and now Triple H as Jarko Grimwood in Blade: Trinity. Why don't I have a problem with any of these choices? Because they're not lead characters. They're all either cameo's or supporting roles. What I would have a problem with is either of those people (or any other famous wrestler) playin a character like Namor or Iron Man or any other famour character out there. I just don't think they'd be able to pull it off, not even HHH as Thor. And not only because they don't have the same acting ability as a real actor but because nobody will be able to take them seriously... including me.

Having said that, I think the stars of the WWE are truly talented... in their own realm. To command the attention of 10's of thousands of fans is not an easy thing to do and they do it with what seems like ease.

 

[Zilleraut #66]

John Voight is not the only actor involved with credibility, not even by a long shot.
Voight is a great actor, but so is Cage.
Now, if you tell that Cage is not a good casting, i have to agree with you, but that doesn´t say he doesn´t have any credibility.
Like Superman, he was totally wrong for the part, but he would have made a great role.

As for Mark Steven Johnson, i have to agree that he is not a great director...but is a way worst writer.
I´m very apprehensive for the movie since i heard about him on the director´s chair....Daredeviel was enough.
But, let´s look it this way, Mark Steven Johnson is a comic book fan, so, he might have learned from his previous experience and make a good movie.
Besides, what really gets me apprehensive is that he is writing Ghost Rider, because if he was only directing, i wouldn´t be as apprehensice as i am.

Let´s give the movie a change.....

I can dig it. Nice post Issy.

 

[Sledge]

Having said that, I think the stars of the WWE are truly talented... in their own realm. To command the attention of 10's of thousands of fans is not an easy thing to do and they do it with what seems like ease.

I like you.

10's of thousands? Try 45 million+.

You mean to tell me if Stone Cold played Superman you wouldn't like it? :P That would be hilarious. I'd love to see The Rock as Batman. I would pay serious dosh to see a Superman vs. Batman w/ Stone Cold and The Rock. lol

 

[Sauron]

Enough with all the boycotting already.