Horror Dr. Lecter Invites you to Dinner. The ''Hannibal'' Thread - Part 5

[Maximus One]

The best thing Harris did was create Hannibal Lecter. That's about it for me.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I think I kind of get what the argument is here, and I fall into the middle. Does Thomas Harris the author stand up to the likes of John Irving and Michael Chabon? The answer is no, not by a longshot.

But is Thomas Harris one of the better writers in the crime/adventure genre? Is he inventive with his storylines and does he tell him in a compelling way? I would say yes to all of that.

 

[Maximus One]

Thomas Harris can barely stand up to the likes of Dan Brown...

 

[Black Narcissus]

As someone who wants to get into the show, but will wait until this season comes out to binge watch all of them...Where does Silent of the Lambs fall into place here? I know it's a noob question to ask. Is their any references to Clarice or plans to bring her into the show before being cancelled?

 

[Snow Queen]

As someone who wants to get into the show, but will wait until this season comes out to binge watch all of them...Where does Silent of the Lambs fall into place here? I know it's a noob question to ask. Is their any references to Clarice or plans to bring her into the show before being cancelled?

No references to Clarice, however Fuller has mentioned how he would have ideally done her given the chance, which either would have been either a version more in-line with what we know played by Ellen Page or a version that's black as he thought it may add something to her history considering she grew up in the south.

 

[Maximus One]

Miriam basically was Clarice anyways. Fueller has even stated as such.

 

[slimshady247]

For ****'s sake, it's Fuller.

See: https://***********/bryanfuller

 

[Roose Bolton]

About 85% of this show's dialogue is Thomas Harris' prose rendered into speech, often with very little alterations made. Bryan Fuller loves these books and he loves Thomas Harris skills as a writer. But I guess he must have bad taste

 

[Maximus One]

I don't think anybody has said that the books are really that bad. Just that Harris is overall nothing too special as a writer. That's just how I see it. It's really kind of funny to me how perturbed some of you guys seem to be at a differing opinion. Like, I could care less if you guys think Fueller has improved on the source material with the show or not. It's just my opinion that he did.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The best thing Harris did was create Hannibal Lecter. That's about it for me.

So you dislike Francis Dolarhyde, Mason Verger etc....?

 

[Maximus One]

I said it's the best thing he's done. Not the only good thing...

 

[squeekness]

I enjoyed all the books, myself. When I read them now I hear Hopkin's voice in my head.

 

[Schlosser85]

Hopkins is my mental image of Hannibal when reading the books too.

Though I dig Mikkelsen too, in a somewhat different way. By their own admission, Fueller and Mikkelsen deliberately played up the "Hannibal as Satan" angle.

 

[Maximus One]

And I hear Mads' voice. The way I've always put it, when Chilton tells Clarice that story about Hannibal eating a nurse's tongue and how his pulse never broke 80 bpms, I can't see Hopkins' Hannibal actually being able to do that. He emotes too much. Mads though? He demonstrated that perfectly the first time we ever saw his violent side when he choked out Miriam in episode 6 of season 1.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Did Harris write this dialogue or is it directly from Manhunter? Either way I love it.

"As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult... as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick **** out of his socks."

 

[Roose Bolton]

I said it's the best thing he's done. Not the only good thing...

I bring them up, because Francis Dolarhyde is in his own way as significant as the character of Hannibal Lecter. Hannibal is a Dracula figure for this millenium, so I don't think any would argue his relevance. But Francis Dolarhyde was the first serial killer to ever be portrayed in the mainstream, not as a one-note madman, but an actual human being suffering from mental illness and years of abuse that we follow and see into. Nowadays it's relativly commonplace for that approach to be used in the crime thriller genre, but before Red Dragon came out an idea like that was unheard, it was revolutionary for the genre and helped bring awareness to the public that these people weren't just depraved animals, that they were often very sick human beings. 30 years on, that seems old hat, but at the time that was a massive thing. Do you think that, at least, deserves recognition? At the very least it puts him above the Dan Browns of the world.

 

[Schlosser85]

I don't know. In a way, Mikkelsen almost seems too refined to rip out someone's tongue. Whereas Hopkins to me had this feral undertone like a snake coiled and ready to strike.

 

[Maximus One]

I bring them up, because Francis Dolarhyde is in his own way as significant as the character of Hannibal Lecter. Hannibal is a Dracula figure for this millenium, so I don't think any would argue his relevance. But Francis Dolarhyde was the first serial killer to ever be portrayed in the mainstream, not as a one-note madman, but an actual human being suffering from mental illness and years of abuse that we follow and see into. Nowadays it's relativly commonplace for that approach to be used in the crime thriller genre, but before Red Dragon came out an idea like that was unheard, it was revolutionary for the genre and helped bring awareness to the public that these people weren't just depraved animals, that they were often very sick human beings. 30 years on, that seems old hat, but at the time that was a massive thing. Do you think that, at least, deserves recognition? At the very least it puts him above the Dan Browns of the world.

Ok, touche. I'll give ya that one. And yea, I really do love Dolarhyde as a character.

 

[Roose Bolton]

 

[Maximus One]

I don't know. In a way, Mikkelsen almost seems too refined to rip out someone's tongue. Whereas Hopkins to me had this feral undertone like a snake coiled and ready to strike.

The man who turns people into beer is too refined to rip out somebody's tongue? What kind of fuel have you been huffing, sir?

 

[DarkSovereignty]

I bring them up, because Francis Dolarhyde is in his own way as significant as the character of Hannibal Lecter. Hannibal is a Dracula figure for this millenium, so I don't think any would argue his relevance. But Francis Dolarhyde was the first serial killer to ever be portrayed in the mainstream, not as a one-note madman, but an actual human being suffering from mental illness and years of abuse that we follow and see into. Nowadays it's relativly commonplace for that approach to be used in the crime thriller genre, but before Red Dragon came out an idea like that was unheard, it was revolutionary for the genre and helped bring awareness to the public that these people weren't just depraved animals, that they were often very sick human beings. 30 years on, that seems old hat, but at the time that was a massive thing. Do you think that, at least, deserves recognition? At the very least it puts him above the Dan Browns of the world.

Norman Bates says hello.

Actually...Bryan Fueller should do pyscho next.

 

[Snow Queen]

Norman Bates says hello.

Actually...Bryan Fueller should do pyscho next.

That's already a show.

 

[Maximus One]

Yea, DS, what the hell damn guy?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Did Harris write this dialogue or is it directly from Manhunter? Either way I love it.

"As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult... as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick **** out of his socks."

A variation of it was said in Red Dragon, but Michael Mann wrote that particular piece.

 

[squeekness]

Did Harris write this dialogue or is it directly from Manhunter? Either way I love it.

"As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult... as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick **** out of his socks."

Harris wrote that, Manhunter used it. One of the best lines from the movie.