Horror Dr. Lecter Invites you to Dinner. The ''Hannibal'' Thread - Part 5

[kvz5]

Satisfying ending, all things considered. Now, the post credit scene,

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maybe it was my poor lighting, but what was beneath Bedelia

?

[BLACKOUT]Nothing, it was showing she was missing her left leg as it was on the table.[/BLACKOUT]

LOL I had a feeling that

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that's what it was but I was confused too because of the bad lighting.

 

[antsman41]

LOL I had a feeling that

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that's what it was but I was confused too because of the bad lighting.

At first I thought it was the Dragon's "tail" until they panned down on her.

Also, AV Club perfectly explains why I did;t feel left down by TGRD;

"In The Red Dragon source, much is made of Francis Dolarhyde’s backstory, where he came from and how he got to his becoming. His job his a large part of who he is and he’s killed. These details are briefly mentioned, but never explored. Yet, Francis Dolarhyde never felt like only half a character to me, nor did his story feel unfinished. The parts of Dolarhyde that were not extrapolated on were made up for in the central dynamic between Will and Hannibal. They filled any gaps Dolarhyde’s character might have had. Part of Hannibal’s greatness is that these secondary characters are put in place not to tell their own stories, but to augment Will and Hannibal’s. The other part of that greatness is those second characters don’t feel lesser because of the purpose they serve."

Source - http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/hannibal-wrath-lamb-224618

 

[slimshady247]

Thanks for the link.

 

[Paradox1]

I thought it was a good ending it was very Sherlock and Moriarty to go out the way they did.

 

[Sawyer]

Got damn, that [blackout]Hannibal/Will vs. Dolarhyde[/blackout] fight got me hot.

#MurderHusbands indeed.

 

[Sawyer]

Also, I really like how NBC has made absolutely no effort whatsoever to let anyone watching their channel know that Hannibal was a thing that existed, including the f***ing people still watching the damn thing, but still feels free to put banners for their new shows over a third of the screen during any given scene.

And by "I really like", I really mean that NBC can go **** themselves.

 

[James]

I loved the dragon slaying, but the [BLACKOUT]cliff jump[/BLACKOUT] was hokey. They nearly had a great ending, but fumbled it right at the last second. Alas.

The rest of the episode was really good though, I especially liked Chilton's scene with Alana.

 

[Sawyer]

I wasn't sure about that bit watching it play out on screen, but reading Bryan's thoughts on it, I'm a bit more cool with it. It still reads more like a [blackout]fall, than an intentional push[/blackout], but I can live with it.

 

[James]

I feel like they just pushed it one step too far, like the SOA ending. It would have been fine to even end it right there, but they had to go that extra little bit and it didn't work (for me).

 

[Roose Bolton]

I liked that element, because it was really the only way they could have ended that relationship. They were too entwined to really be parted from one another, but at the same time Will knew that it was unacceptable that [BLACKOUT] Hannibal [/BLACKOUT] lived. It was his one final heroic act that probably saved a lot of innocent lives, even if it was at the cost of [BLACKOUT] his own. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Eddie Dean]

This was beautiful and I will have no bad talk about it.

 

[squeekness]

This was beautiful and I will have no bad talk about it.

LOL, I thought the ending was just fine and perfect, though I shut it off too soon and missed the Bedilia scene (I'll have to back and watch that again).

 

[Matt]

This was beautiful and I will have no bad talk about it.

Too late.

 

[Schlosser85]

I wasn't a big fan of the choices made this season, at least the back half. The Florence/Mason stuff was okay, but I wasn't a fan of shifting Lounds' fate onto Chilton, Alana and Bedelia served no purpose this season except Alana taking what should have been Chilton's role, Dolarhyde's backstory wasn't developed, and even I think by the end, they definitely took the "Will + Hannibal 4ever" pseudo romance so far it got a little ridiculous.

And to clarify, I'm not a Harris purist. Most of this show, I was actually fascinated by how Fuller worked in stuff from the books while putting his own spin on it. It made it fresh and unpredictable. And I think he made the right choice sticking with Will instead of jettisoning him for some version of Clarice. I just wasn't a big fan of the specific choices the back half of the last season.

Also, Dolarhyde just kind of randomly went crazy (crazier, I guess) and decided to attack Reba and fake his death and ****, and thereby exposed himself, when in the book he did it because he knew Will was onto him. Not only does this take away any motivation for Dolarhyde turning on Reba and reaching his endgame, it also takes away from Will by having Dolarhyde just randomly flip his **** and reveal himself instead of Will actually being a detective and tracking Dolarhyde down himself. But the show never really let Will actually achieve anything without the serial killer revealing himself on his own, or Hannibal holding his hand for him.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I wasn't a big fan of the choices made this season, at least the back half. The Florence/Mason stuff was okay, but I wasn't a fan of shifting Lounds' fate onto Chilton, Alana and Bedelia served no purpose this season except Alana taking what should have been Chilton's role, Dolarhyde's backstory wasn't developed, and even I think by the end, they definitely took the "Will + Hannibal 4ever" pseudo romance so far it got a little ridiculous.

And to clarify, I'm not a Harris purist. Most of this show, I was actually fascinated by how Fuller worked in stuff from the books while putting his own spin on it. It made it fresh and unpredictable. And I think he made the right choice sticking with Will instead of jettisoning him for some version of Clarice. I just wasn't a big fan of the specific choices the back half of the last season.

Also, Dolarhyde just kind of randomly went crazy (crazier, I guess) and decided to attack Reba and fake his death and ****, and thereby exposed himself, when in the book he did it because he knew Will was onto him. Not only does this take away any motivation for Dolarhyde turning on Reba and reaching his endgame, it also takes away from Will by having Dolarhyde just randomly flip his **** and reveal himself instead of Will actually being a detective and tracking Dolarhyde down himself. But the show never really let Will actually achieve anything without the serial killer revealing himself on his own, or Hannibal holding his hand for him.

Pretty much this. Except the first half wasn't the greatest for me either. It moved slower. Last season absolutely flew by. This whole season felt too slow. And not just because of pace, but because of how much story was jam packed into this season. It seemed Fuller knew this would be the last season so he just decided to just go all the way and put what he always wanted to put in and it was too jam packed. Though I was impressed with the transition between the end of the Verger storyline to Red Dragon. This season could have been two separate seasons.

Reba also didn't feel as well developed or fully formed. I wasn't completely sold on Armitage's performance either as Dolarhyde at times or their relationship. It just felt like they were going through the motions. I didn't feel so much a connection between the two where Dolarhyde actually may have had feelings for Reba. Rather than seeing Dolarhyde be by himself with those redundant scenes of him "transforming" I would have liked to see more of Dolarhyde's humanity. Part of what makes Dolarhyde so fascinating is he's one of the few serial killers where they really give empathy to.

 

[Man in the Suit]

If that was truly the end, then I'm very happy with how it it ended. But I will take another serving if they make more.

 

[antsman41]

The gag-reel teaser was hilarious... these guys not only murder drama, but I'd love them to do comedy as well.

 

[spider-neil]

I'm so familiar with the book and movie I only became engaged when they deviated from the source material because before that it was a case of 'I've seen it'. Loved the ending.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Can't wait for the bluray / complete series set.

 

[James]

This was beautiful and I will have no bad talk about it.

Like a finely crafted piece of crystal.

...and then someone dropped it.

 

[Slick]

Just finished watching the finale and overall I liked it. If this is it then I'm happy. It's been a great wonderful ride.

 

[Snow Queen]

I liked the finale, however it did feel a bit too rushed. Last year's season finale would be my favourite of the three, but this was yet another really good episode. I just feel like it needed a little bit more time.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I think the ending needed [blackout]the fall[/blackout], to keep an air of ambiguity

 

[Matt.S99]

I personally liked the role reversal of Lounds and Chilton. At least, in the context of this story. Freddie didn't have much of a role this season, so it would have felt a bit odd. It made more sense to me that they used Chilton as the victim.

 

[Smilodon]

I let the finale sit with me for awhile to really gather my thoughts.

I actually only began watching Hannibal because I heard they were going to be adapting Red Dragon, which was my favorite Harris storyline. That being said, in the two weeks it took to me binge watch the first two seasons of Hannibal, I had already gotten used to Fuller's style and how he adapts the source material. In a way, this was the Hannibal Lecter that we never knew we needed. I genuinely think Fuller's vision for the source material was inspired and invigorating. Particularly in the first two seasons. So these moves away from the source material weren't too bothersome.

That being said, I think the finale was great. But I do think we could have cut one episode from Europe and added it to Red Dragon. I understand Fuller's justification to only hint at the backstory and with the way he prefers Manhunter to Ratner's Red Dragon, I think it's even more understandable. That being said, it's something we haven't seen, and I would've enjoyed it. But three seasons in, it's become clear that the villains serve to augment and further the relationship between Will and Hannibal, and that would serve at the core of each storyline. I do think this season got too artsy-fartsy at times, and that was a result of moving away from the procedural format that made up the first two seasons. I think having more Jack or Alana or Price/Zeller or someone to balance these dreamy sequences with Will/Bedelia/Chiyoh/Hannibal would've helped the show flow a bit more. That being said, was it True Detecive Season 2 levels of just dragging? Nah.

I think this season overall was really strong still. But I do think Mizumono (by that extent, Season 2) is by far the greatest episode of Hannibal thus far. This finale was satisfying, and I think going all Reichenbach Falls with Hannibal and Will was a good idea on Fuller's part. I think that was a good way to go out. I think many of us are at peace with how the show ended. It was far more violent and horrifying than any show out there and Fuller/NBC deserve a lot of credit for how they pushed things. They really brought gravitas back to the serial killer.

Here's a cool interview with Fuller describing his plans for Silence of the Lambs if it were to happen.
http://www.craveonline.com/culture/...uller-describes-silence-lambs-season-hannibal