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Dr. Lecter Invites you to Dinner. The ''Hannibal'' Thread

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He pretty much confirmed it:
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Also:
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He also confirmed in twitter that if things work out with MGM who owns the rights to Clarice and other characters that he intends to introduce her in season 5 (he confirmed that season 5 & 6 would be the SOTL era). But he is so passionate about this project that he hinted of using "alternatives" to Clarice if it doesn't work out, like he did with the Benjamin Raspail character who was not also allowed to use. He used this character instead:
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Franklin, whom we already met in the pilot!

He confirmed other minor characters too, like Will's future wife, Molly would appear in Season 3.

Uh-oh. I already had a bad feeling about Franklin's safety from the lion comment, and his outlook just got a whole lot worse real quick.

I wonder if we could get a Jame Gumb reference, since in Silence of the Lambs canon, Raspail is Gumb's boyfriend who introduces him to Lecter.
 
Uh-oh. I already had a bad feeling about Franklin's safety from the lion comment, and his outlook just got a whole lot worse real quick.

I wonder if we could get a Jame Gumb reference, since in Silence of the Lambs canon, Raspail is Gumb's boyfriend who introduces him to Lecter.

According to Fuller himself:
So what we did in the arc that we had for Benjamin Raspail and Jame Gumb in the first season, we did a different story about a patient of Hannibal Lecter’s who had ties to a serial killer in a unique way. Instead of Benjamin Raspail, we did Franklin Froideveaux -- Benjamin Franklin and then Froideveaux is a street that runs parallel to Raspail in Paris. So we were acknowledging in some way that’s the role that we were filling in this season, with those characters and that story you’re going to see.

It's from this interview (which is excellent by the way) http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/04/...nt-appear-red-dragon-the-silence-of-the-lambs

I find this part in which he talked about his "battle" with MGM particularly interesting mainly because it shows what his intentions about the show are, IF it lasts long enough:
IGN: You mentioned the fourth season being the Red Dragon story. Do you think it’ll be 13 episodes a year? How do you see the whole thing going?

Fuller: Well, it’s absolutely 13 episodes a season. For me, Red Dragon is Season 4, and splitting the time over Season 5 and Season 6 would be the era of Silence of the Lambs -- we don’t have the rights to any of the characters that originate in Silence of the Lambs, but that’s not to say that Clarice Starling was the only trainee that Jack Crawford ever sent to interview a serial killer. You’ve seen the fifth episode, so you know that he’s done it before. So my dream is that -- because MGM has the rights to any character that originated in Silence of the Lambs, and we have the rights to any character that originated in Red Dragon or Hannibal or Hannibal Rising. We actually approached MGM because I desperately wanted to tell the story of how that head ended up in a jar in Silence of the Lambs. So we approached MGM -- who can’t use Hannibal Lecter in their Clarice Starling show -- and said, “If we let you have letters from Hannibal Lecter and have a relationship… You don’t necessarily see him on screen, but you can actually acknowledge the history of Clarice Starling. What if we got the rights to Benjamin Raspail and Jame Gumb/Buffalo Bill. That way, we could be telling the definitive Hannibal Lecter stories and acknowledge his existence in both shows.” They were like, “No, what’s ours is ours, and what’s yours is yours.” Then we said, “Pretty please?” And they said, “No, what’s ours is ours, and what’s yours is yours.” So we said, “Can we sit down face-to-face and talk about this?” We did, and they said, “What’s ours is ours, and what’s yours is yours.” [Laughs] So they were very definitive about where they stood. So what we did in the arc that we had for Benjamin Raspail and Jame Gumb in the first season, we did a different story about a patient of Hannibal Lecter’s who had ties to a serial killer in a unique way. Instead of Benjamin Raspail, we did Franklin Froideveaux -- Benjamin Franklin and then Froideveaux is a street that runs parallel to Raspail in Paris. So we were acknowledging in some way that’s the role that we were filling in this season, with those characters and that story you’re going to see.

IGN: Knock on wood, this show continues into future seasons. Are you hoping that maybe they’ll change their mind and something can be worked out?

Fuller: Absolutely. I hope they look at the show and say, “Oh, this is really cool, and it’s a classy approach to the material, and we want to be associated with it,” and that maybe they will change their minds. But they sold the rights to a Clarice Starling story to Lifetime, and it’s been in development for a few years. It’s turned around and then redeveloped and turned around and redeveloped. I’m sticking pins in a voodoo doll of that show and hoping that it just goes away so they can see that, really, this is the best thing for the audience… Which is always my approach to these things, because I do feel my place in the audience, and as somebody who’s been given a the opportunity to have a voice in how things can proceed, I do have a responsibility, very heavily. So I, as an audience member, want Clarice Starling to be tied into Hannibal Lecter and see one definitive source for the Hannibal Lecter story, which would be this show. But time will tell. Maybe we’ll launch a letter-writing campaign to MGM!
 
NBC is re-airing the pilot at 10 tonight. Y'all better watch that ****. :argh:
 
I've noticed that Will Graham becomes more solitary and neurotic with each passing incarnation. If there is another Red Dragon movie, he will likely be played by Larry David.

I would watch the hell out of that. :up:
 
I would watch the hell out of that. :up:

Alan Alda can play Dollarhyde. The big, violent final confrontation between them will be a mildly amusing back-and-forth dialogue about baseball, salami and erectile dysfunction.
 
Ok yea, I honestly can't see how people could prefer Red Dragon over Manhunter. What an awesome movie. The writing and pacing are just so much better plus the cinematography and choice of shots and angles. I mean sure, it's painfully obvious it's dated and an 80s movie but a good film is a good film
 
I'd argue that Manhunter being dated makes it better than Red Dragon as well. Manhunter is supposed to take place in the late 70s, early 80s, before Silence of the Lambs, so of course it is supposed to capture that era.

Red Dragon, among its many, many, many other faults, simply doesn't fit with its supposed time frame.
 
The acting is better in Red Dragon (IMO), especially Fiennes over Noonan as Dolarhyde.
 
Man, Noonan was ****ing CREEEEEPY. Fiennes while being somewhat over the top brought this heart to the character that I don't really think should have been there at all. You really felt for Dollarhyde is Red Dragon especially given how much they played up his cleft palate and developed his relationship. In Manhunter he isn't even introduced until he kidnaps Lounds so there's this sort of looming presence the entire film then BAM and then the shot of him standing there above Lounds with the panty hose like half covering his face and just his stance in that shot and his cool collected demeanor. Absolutely monstrous. Fiennes was waaaaay too emotional and gave this sort of tormented performance and while that can be an interesting aspect of Dollarhyde to play up I don't think it worked nearly as well as it could have in a more competent director's hands. I always felt Red Dragon was not only Ratner's best movie but maybe his only notable one but now I'm just kinda like meh. Peterson as Graham was brilliant as well. I love Dancy and even Norton's performance but I love the way Peterson played him. His dialogue was great and his speech to Crawford about sympathizing with the child that Dollarhyde used to be, BRILLIANT
 
Dolarhyde was meant to be tormented, not just one-dimensionally creepy.

Harris wrote him that way.
 
Talking about Dolarhyde, this is a yesterday tweet of Bryan Fuller:
Bryan Fuller ‏@BryanFuller 14h
The Marlowe Murders that open the #HANNIBAL Premiere are actually the first murders committed by Francis Dolarhyde, aka, the #REDDRAGON

Last week, he had tweeted this:

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I actually thought of Dolarhyde from the noise awakening the husband and him being shot on the stairs, because that's exactly how Dolarhyde murdered one couple in Red Dragon.
 
Ok yea, I honestly can't see how people could prefer Red Dragon over Manhunter. What an awesome movie. The writing and pacing are just so much better plus the cinematography and choice of shots and angles. I mean sure, it's painfully obvious it's dated and an 80s movie but a good film is a good film
Manhunter is quite possibly my most favorite movie. I even had to buy the soundtrack. Micheal Mann is one of the best directors out there and William Peterson was perfect as Graham. I am positive that it was this role that got him that spot on CSI.
 
Listen to my... HHHHHEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTBBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!

I love Manhunter.
 
Listen to my... HHHHHEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTBBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!

I love Manhunter.
They used that same song in an episode of Miami Vice, lol. Mann recycles. :p
 
I H A T E Brett Rattner and L O V E Michael Mann. But having said that...

Red Dragon > Manhunter

Pains me to say it, but damn Red Dragon is such a solid movie :D

Manhunter is great too but has a few too many omissions/changes from the source material for my liking. Plus the soundtrack is sort of dated.
 
I certainly hope so.

I'm excited about all the canon characters (Dolarhyde, Molly, Verger, Raspail (sort of), etc.) Fuller intends on weaving into this, and I want to see him get the chance.
 
New ep. in 27 minutes, east coast.
 
In order to prepare myself for scenes of excruciating torture, I am watching Go On first.
 
Is it me or is the Asian woman(never caught her name) a little too upbeat around a crime scene?
 
In fairness, they're probably totally desensitized to it, but yea Beverly's annoying.
 
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