Dreamworks/Paramount's Ghost In The Shell - Part 3

[culver3vlr22]

You totally could, but it would take work and a lot of money.

And a mini miracle.

It was some of the most bat s&*t crazy stuff I'd ever seen. Just trying to picture it live action was hard

 

[KnightErrant]

Saw this film early this week and whilst watching was thinking of the 1995 animated movie all the while and despite the various departures here and there,it's a faithful adaption IMO.

Is definitely to be added to my best ever films.

 

[2kt09]

You're referring to Chow's Journey to the West movies, yes? Those might be effects-laden flicks, but they aren't effects-driven and are essentially Chow vehicles, whose (already popular) selling point is his brand of 'moy len tau' or absurdist comedy.

I'm talking as far back as Kung Fu Hustle. The recipe is already there.
Heck, on the topic of Journey to the West, China for w/e reason has had so far like 5 or 6 Monkey King movies
(including an animated one) within the past 3 years.

 

[PacificBoy]

I'm talking as far back as Kung Fu Hustle. The recipe is already there.
Heck, on the topic of Journey to the West, China for w/e reason has had so far like 5 or 6 Monkey King movies
(including an animated one) within the past 3 years.

It's a recipe for a different set of audiences though. One, Chow is a superstar in the HK, Taiwan and China movie scenes, and, two, Journey to the West is a timeless story for the Chinese and not a niche element of contemporary popular culture.

 

[2kt09]

It's a recipe for a different set of audiences though. One, Chow is a superstar in the HK, Taiwan and China movie scenes, and, two, Journey to the West is a timeless story for the Chinese and not a niche element of contemporary popular culture.

People on this site operate way too literally.

"In the vein of" Chow...in the vein of Edgar Wright or Matthew Vaughn.
Similar to how Denis Villeneuve's name has been dropped in here quite a few times.
You can make a DBZ adaptation evocative of a Journey to the West story as international trailers tend to market differently.

 

[PacificBoy]

People on this site operate way too literally.

"In the vein of" Chow...in the vein of Edgar Wright or Matthew Vaughn.
Similar to how Denis Villeneuve's name has been dropped in here quite a few times.
You can make a DBZ adaptation evocative of a Journey to the West story as international trailers tend to market differently.

You brought up Chow in the first place and how his success with effects-laden movies in east Asia might be translatable in the states with DBZ...

Also, you can't make a 'DBZ adaptation evocative of a Journey to the West story', because as much as Goku is loosely based on the Monkey King, DBZ is very much a Japanese property and the latter is a Chinese one. In other words, it won't fly being marketed as a Journey to the West inspired movie to the Chinese.

 

[2kt09]

You brought up Chow in the first place and how his success with effects-laden movies in east Asia might be translatable in the states with DBZ...

Also, you can't make a 'DBZ adaptation evocative of a Journey to the West story', because as much as Goku is loosely based on the Monkey King, DBZ is very much a Japanese property and the latter is a Chinese one. In other words, it won't fly being marketed as a Journey to the West inspired movie to the Chinese.

I was referring to his success in doing movies that feel like DBZ.
It's not just Goku.
The burden of not making it obvious as a Journey to the West inspired movie
with the transforming monkey, unusual looking sidekicks including monks, and super powered kung fu to the Chinese falls on the marketing.
To us here in the West, it's Shaolin Superman.

 

[PacificBoy]

I was referring to his success in doing movies that feel like DBZ.
It's not just Goku.
The burden of not making it obvious as a Journey to the West inspired movie
with the transforming monkey, unusual looking sidekicks including monks, and super powered kung fu to the Chinese falls on the marketing.
To us here in the West, it's Shaolin Superman.

His success in doing movies that feel like DBZ in east Asia, as I was saying, is down to those movies being Chow vehicles and his brand of comedy, rather than the accompanying anime-style action, which is secondary to the appeal of Chow himself.

Here in the states you're attempting to sell the property, a rather fringe one at that. It's altogether not the same.

 

[2kt09]

We certainly don't need a Pokemon movie anymore since we're getting 5 with Fantastic Beasts.
Next on Hollywood's agenda is Naruto and while that's way more known than GitS, it also happens to be more inherently Japanese than DBZ and One Piece.

 

[PacificBoy]

An American Naruto adaptation... that's a potentially big yikes in the making.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

An American Naruto adaptation... that's a potentially big yikes in the making.

Fairy Tail to me makes a lot more sense than Naruto. It is very similar in style, but is about European mythology and wizards instead of Japanese mythology and ninjas. Plus, the characters are already Caucasian instead of Naruto's all-Japanese cast.

As an added bonus, the female leads are also way better so as to potentially give wider appeal on that front as well.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Fairy Tail to me makes a lot more sense than Naruto. It is very similar in style, but is about European mythology and wizards instead of Japanese mythology and ninjas. Plus, the characters are already Caucasian instead of Naruto's all-Japanese cast.

As an added bonus, the female leads are also way better so as to potentially give wider appeal on that front as well.

well if way better means more fan service I agree. Naruto does have terrible female characters, specially Shippuden. But you could get behind original Naruto given you dealt with kids. I still think if you making Naruto movie, you better cast kids. Their best adventures dealt with them being kids and dealing with adult and serious situations.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

well if way better means more fan service I agree. Naruto does have terrible female characters, specially Shippuden. But you could get behind original Naruto given you dealt with kids. I still think if you making Naruto movie, you better cast kids. Their best adventures dealt with them being kids and dealing with adult and serious situations.

Fanservice, yes. But they are also stronger, more developed characters. In particular, Erza Scarlet is probably fully capable of being a main character on her own.

 

[moonclaw]

Fairy Tail to me makes a lot more sense than Naruto. It is very similar in style, but is about European mythology and wizards instead of Japanese mythology and ninjas. Plus, the characters are already Caucasian instead of Naruto's all-Japanese cast.

As an added bonus, the female leads are also way better so as to potentially give wider appeal on that front as well.

Nobody in Naruto is japanese......... japan doesn't exist in the Narutoverse It's a fictional world. I don't disagree with your point, though the thing is happy potter already exists and the whole fantastic beast series that's currently being released.

Naruto on the other hand while similar is also different enough to stand out.

 

[2kt09]

Naruto on the other hand while similar is also different enough to stand out.

For sure. With all the YA properties we've had, ninjas and demons really haven't been crossed off that list.

 

[moonclaw]

you know what would be cool, A netflix Anbu series.

 

[PacificBoy]

Nobody in Naruto is japanese......... japan doesn't exist in the Narutoverse It's a fictional world. I don't disagree with your point, though the thing is happy potter already exists and the whole fantastic beast series that's currently being released.

Naruto on the other hand while similar is also different enough to stand out.

From the names of all the characters to the mythology of the shinobi to the folklore of the kitsune, even though it's fictional, the Narutoverse is quintessentially Japanese.

Fairy Tail to me makes a lot more sense than Naruto. It is very similar in style, but is about European mythology and wizards instead of Japanese mythology and ninjas. Plus, the characters are already Caucasian instead of Naruto's all-Japanese cast.

As an added bonus, the female leads are also way better so as to potentially give wider appeal on that front as well.

It could take a leaf out of Dragonheart in its presentation, though translating the whole magic system and nakama-ness of the series is challenging I feel.

 

[2kt09]

Think it just now dawned on me, that live-action flicks purposefully limit themselves with fictional settings.
Whenever you think fantasy, it's often either a vague reimagining of a regional period piece (for us it's Medieval/Greco-Roman), distant future, or another planet.

That's probably why the more popular ones caught on.
Heck, some still think ATLA/LoK is anime.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

It could take a leaf out of Dragonheart in its presentation, though translating the whole magic system and nakama-ness of the series is challenging I feel.

There would be some issues facing a Fairy Tail adaptation, but I think that Naruto would suffer from most of them as well as some others. In addition to the more foreign setting and characters, Naruto also is more dependent on longer running plotlines that I don't think would be easily adapted to a film format.

Personally, if I was looking at adapting a light-hearted medieval fantasy style anime with magic and stuff, I'd pick Slayers which has a far more western style format and being based on a series of novels instead of an ongoing manga can be translated more easily to feature length films. It isn't nearly as similar to Naruto as Fairy Tail is though, which I why I used Fairy Tail as the comparison.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I terms of getting an anime over to the west, I think the answer is really easy. Full Metal Alchemist is perfect. It is basically set in Europe, with a look, setting and powers that can easily be adapted for the West. It is also pretty great imo.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Full Metal Alchemist might well be the best anime I've ever seen. I don't know if it's necessarily my favourite (though it's certainly among them) but it's such a well crafted and powerful story. Both the 03 version and Brotherhood are beautiful tales.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Full Metal Alchemist might well be the best anime I've ever seen. I don't know if it's necessarily my favourite (though it's certainly among them) but it's such a well crafted and powerful story. Both the 03 version and Brotherhood are beautiful tales.

I watched quite a bit of the original anime when it first came around. Liked it a lot, but didn't get a chance to finish it. Caught Brotherhood on Netflix, and loved it. So then I went back and watched original from start to finish and really liked it as well. The relationship between the two brothers hits home with me.

 

[TheVileOne]

Naruto is unfilmable as a Hollywood tentpole. Just don't do it.

Stick with Fullmetal Alchemist or Berserk if you want your next Game of Thrones dark fantasy thing.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think Dragon Ball is unfilmable too. It is a series based around brutal fights in which the protagonist (Goku in the original, Gohan in Z) is a little kid. While fun and exciting in animation, it would be horrifying in live action. You can't just have these villains beat the snot out of little kids nearly to death and have audiences go along with it.

The only way to make it work is to age them up, which would drastically change their characters.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Berserk is unfilmable too, I think. Unless someone is willing to risk spending massive budget on an over-the-top, dark and ultra-violent epic. Game of Thrones adaptation has stuff, that compensates - proportion of walking and talking to battles is greatly in favor of the former, it's gritty and doesn't have much monsters.