The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Emma Stone IS Gwen Stacy

[Super Jim]

Sorry about that. The website I was reading made it seem like this was new.

I do love that she wants to have her death portrayed as it was in the comic...

 

[DigificWriter]

He's the only villain that we are expecting in ASM2 that matches this tpe of character...

You're expecting Goblin to show up in the film even though there's been no evidence to suggest this.

 

[Super Jim]

You're expecting Goblin to show up in the film even though there's been no evidence to suggest this.

Don't think I would say NO evidence...

First, we have the after credits scene from ASM1. I think it's safe to say that the majority of people thought that that was Norman Osborn. Yes, this has been hotly debated with people speculating everything from Electro (think that is proven wrong) to Mysterio to the Cameleon; but more than likely that was Norman.

Next, we have the whole storyline in ASM1 of how Osborn was dying and how he needed Connor's serum in order to live. I think the plan was that they would test it on the vets and then give it to Osborn, but since the whole bridge thing happened my guess is that they had to give it to Osborn without the testing. I think we can all agree that this serum leads Osborn to becoming the Green Goblin.

Since we haven't yet seen Osborn being given the serum it will either not be shown, or more likely it will have to be shown towards the beginning of ASM2. Sure they could use a flashback in ASM3, but that would not be for the best. Plus isn't Cooper confirmed for ASM2? This doesn't mean that we need to see Norman transform right then and there into the Green Goblin, but at a minimum we will likely see him get the serum and then get "better".

The Rhino character doesn't appear to be anything more than a thug driving a truck so far. It is possible that his transformation into the Rhino (suit or cross species) will happen at the end of ASM2 or possibly even in ASM3. Most are assuming that he will be the Rhino in ASM2, but that's not assured. Personally I would like to see that as part of the ASM2 after credits scene - but that's just me...

Next we have the set photos of Emma in the green jacket which is very akin to what she was wearing in her death scene in the comics. She was also, allegdely, filming on a bridge. This definitely doesn't mean 100% she's dead in this movie, or that it's going to be Green Goblin that does the deed, but...

Let's be honest, more than likey it will be GG that kills Gwen. Could it be a twist with Harry being GG instead of Norman? Sure, but that's unlikely. Could it be Electro that kills Gwen? Sure, but that would suck! So it's likely Norman as GG that does the deed...

If they wait until ASM3 to kill Gwen, would they start the movie off with that? Likely not. Would they wait until the middle and use it as the climax? The rest of that movie would seem rushed. Would they have her die at the end with Peter beating GG right there and end the story? That would totally suck. Would there be enough time to delve into how distraught Peter is over the loss and then his need for revenge with either of these options?

Instead, imagine that the events of ASM2 leads to GG and the bridge scene at the end of the movie. This wouldn't require too much Green Goblin story prior since most of it (other than taking the serum) would happen after this point. Peter tries to save Gwen while the Goblin uses that incident to escape. Peter thinks he did it but instead he finds she is dead. The movie ends with him, as someone else went into, cradling Gwen's lifeless body and swearing revenge. This would totally set up the next movie, but unfortunately Gwen is gone...

Also, since they are just intruducing MJ in ASM2, that kind of points to them going further with her character in ASM3, and the best way for that to happen is if Gwen is dead... Personally, I would rather see MJ dropped by GG and her neck snap so Peter and Gwen (played by Emma) can continue and live a happy-ish life... But that's not likely to happen.

Of course most of this speculation is on the assumption that they will finish this story in 3 movies...

So, in summary, I think there is a little bit of evidence pointing to the possibility of Green Goblin being seen in ASM2. The main point though is that IF Gwen dies in ASM2 it is likely to be GG (so he would be in the movie). If they wait until ASM3 to kill her then still it will likely be GG. That is the main point that was being discussed...

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Don't think I would say NO evidence...

First, we have the after credits scene from ASM1. I think it's safe to say that the majority of people thought that that was Norman Osborn. Yes, this has been hotly debated with people speculating everything from Electro (think that is proven wrong) to Mysterio to the Cameleon; but more than likely that was Norman.

Next, we have the whole storyline in ASM1 of how Osborn was dying and how he needed Connor's serum in order to live. I think the plan was that they would test it on the vets and then give it to Osborn, but since the whole bridge thing happened my guess is that they had to give it to Osborn without the testing. I think we can all agree that this serum leads Osborn to becoming the Green Goblin.

In fact I would say there is little to no evidence to say Norman Osborn is anything more than (for lack of a better word) a cameo in ASM2. Let's say Massee and Cooper are both Norman, he was still dying at the end of ASM so he's still dying at the beginning of ASM2. The Goblin serum has yet to be invented. We have to find out the truth about Pete's father before we see a successful serum which cures and powers Norman. There's nothing to suggest they would start human trials on Norman himself. That's just silly.

Since we haven't yet seen Osborn being given the serum it will either not be shown, or more likely it will have to be shown towards the beginning of ASM2. Sure they could use a flashback in ASM3, but that would not be for the best. Plus isn't Cooper confirmed for ASM2? This doesn't mean that we need to see Norman transform right then and there into the Green Goblin, but at a minimum we will likely see him get the serum and then get "better".

The Rhino character doesn't appear to be anything more than a thug driving a truck so far. It is possible that his transformation into the Rhino (suit or cross species) will happen at the end of ASM2 or possibly even in ASM3. Most are assuming that he will be the Rhino in ASM2, but that's not assured. Personally I would like to see that as part of the ASM2 after credits scene - but that's just me...

I'm not sure I understand why you are saying it is more likely to happen in ASM2 at all, as opposed to happening in ASM3. Do you mean because Cooper is in this? How do we know he's not on his deathbed in this movie? Or just hobbling around dying like after the credits in ASM.

Next we have the set photos of Emma in the green jacket which is very akin to what she was wearing in her death scene in the comics. She was also, allegdely, filming on a bridge. This definitely doesn't mean 100% she's dead in this movie, or that it's going to be Green Goblin that does the deed, but...

Let's be honest, more than likey it will be GG that kills Gwen. Could it be a twist with Harry being GG instead of Norman? Sure, but that's unlikely. Could it be Electro that kills Gwen? Sure, but that would suck! So it's likely Norman as GG that does the deed...

Gwen "allegedly filming on a bridge" does not equate to her impending doom. As far as we know, it only equates to more foreshadowing akin to that of Peter's broken promise in ASM.

If they wait until ASM3 to kill Gwen, would they start the movie off with that? Likely not. Would they wait until the middle and use it as the climax? The rest of that movie would seem rushed. Would they have her die at the end with Peter beating GG right there and end the story? That would totally suck. Would there be enough time to delve into how distraught Peter is over the loss and then his need for revenge with either of these options?

Why would that "totally suck"? What more do you want to see after the resolution of Gwen's killer and Peter's parents?

ASM3:
1 hour in = Gwen is murdered.
2 hours in = Peter has defeated GG.
final 20-30 minutes = all plot lines are resolved (Parents, MJ, Harry, etc)

Instead, imagine that the events of ASM2 leads to GG and the bridge scene at the end of the movie. This wouldn't require too much Green Goblin story prior since most of it (other than taking the serum) would happen after this point. Peter tries to save Gwen while the Goblin uses that incident to escape. Peter thinks he did it but instead he finds she is dead. The movie ends with him, as someone else went into, cradling Gwen's lifeless body and swearing revenge. This would totally set up the next movie, but unfortunately Gwen is gone...

You think there is more time in ASM2 to set up Gobby and Gwen's death than there will be in ASM3?

What does your way set up ASM3 for? 2.5 hours of revenge with no love story, no secondary characters/villains and Peter being distraught the entire time?

Also, since they are just intruducing MJ in ASM2, that kind of points to them going further with her character in ASM3, and the best way for that to happen is if Gwen is dead... Personally, I would rather see MJ dropped by GG and her neck snap so Peter and Gwen (played by Emma) can continue and live a happy-ish life... But that's not likely to happen.

Of course most of this speculation is on the assumption that they will finish this story in 3 movies...

That is true. They introduce MJ to go further with her character in future films. If they kill off Gwen in the same film they intro MJ, she turns into a instant replacement love interest. Peter falls for her one move later? He's a terrible terrible person.

Trilogy is minimum for this series. That's all they have confirmed. The assumption that Spider-Man's story (or at least the one they've setup in the first 1.5 films) is even capable of being finished in 3 movies is downright inaccurate. No one will care about MJ if her only major role is ASM3. They will think she is "the other woman" at best. And people will still be rooting for Gwen.

So, in summary, I think there is a little bit of evidence pointing to the possibility of Green Goblin being seen in ASM2. The main point though is that IF Gwen dies in ASM2 it is likely to be GG (so he would be in the movie). If they wait until ASM3 to kill her then still it will likely be GG. That is the main point that was being discussed...

They are about halfway through filming and we haven't even seen a single action or origin sequence with Electro. We have yet to see a single scene shot with Cooper. How much screentime do they have left to give him to make him a viable candidate for a third villain in a movie already so jam packed?

 

[PeterBenParker]

Don't think I would say NO evidence...

First, we have the after credits scene from ASM1. I think it's safe to say that the majority of people thought that that was Norman Osborn. Yes, this has been hotly debated with people speculating everything from Electro (think that is proven wrong) to Mysterio to the Cameleon; but more than likely that was Norman.

Next, we have the whole storyline in ASM1 of how Osborn was dying and how he needed Connor's serum in order to live. I think the plan was that they would test it on the vets and then give it to Osborn, but since the whole bridge thing happened my guess is that they had to give it to Osborn without the testing. I think we can all agree that this serum leads Osborn to becoming the Green Goblin.

Since we haven't yet seen Osborn being given the serum it will either not be shown, or more likely it will have to be shown towards the beginning of ASM2. Sure they could use a flashback in ASM3, but that would not be for the best. Plus isn't Cooper confirmed for ASM2? This doesn't mean that we need to see Norman transform right then and there into the Green Goblin, but at a minimum we will likely see him get the serum and then get "better".

The Rhino character doesn't appear to be anything more than a thug driving a truck so far. It is possible that his transformation into the Rhino (suit or cross species) will happen at the end of ASM2 or possibly even in ASM3. Most are assuming that he will be the Rhino in ASM2, but that's not assured. Personally I would like to see that as part of the ASM2 after credits scene - but that's just me...

Next we have the set photos of Emma in the green jacket which is very akin to what she was wearing in her death scene in the comics. She was also, allegdely, filming on a bridge. This definitely doesn't mean 100% she's dead in this movie, or that it's going to be Green Goblin that does the deed, but...

Let's be honest, more than likey it will be GG that kills Gwen. Could it be a twist with Harry being GG instead of Norman? Sure, but that's unlikely. Could it be Electro that kills Gwen? Sure, but that would suck! So it's likely Norman as GG that does the deed...

If they wait until ASM3 to kill Gwen, would they start the movie off with that? Likely not. Would they wait until the middle and use it as the climax? The rest of that movie would seem rushed. Would they have her die at the end with Peter beating GG right there and end the story? That would totally suck. Would there be enough time to delve into how distraught Peter is over the loss and then his need for revenge with either of these options?

Instead, imagine that the events of ASM2 leads to GG and the bridge scene at the end of the movie. This wouldn't require too much Green Goblin story prior since most of it (other than taking the serum) would happen after this point. Peter tries to save Gwen while the Goblin uses that incident to escape. Peter thinks he did it but instead he finds she is dead. The movie ends with him, as someone else went into, cradling Gwen's lifeless body and swearing revenge. This would totally set up the next movie, but unfortunately Gwen is gone...

Also, since they are just intruducing MJ in ASM2, that kind of points to them going further with her character in ASM3, and the best way for that to happen is if Gwen is dead... Personally, I would rather see MJ dropped by GG and her neck snap so Peter and Gwen (played by Emma) can continue and live a happy-ish life... But that's not likely to happen.

Of course most of this speculation is on the assumption that they will finish this story in 3 movies...

So, in summary, I think there is a little bit of evidence pointing to the possibility of Green Goblin being seen in ASM2. The main point though is that IF Gwen dies in ASM2 it is likely to be GG (so he would be in the movie). If they wait until ASM3 to kill her then still it will likely be GG. That is the main point that was being discussed...

BOLD: Well, it would be extremely stupid to have Gwen wear her iconic clothes, at the bridge, and not die in TASM2. It wouldn't make sense, either. So, based off of pr0xyt0xin's assumption, it would just foreshadow her death in TASM3? If that's the case, then it could be assumed she'd die in the beginning of the third movie.

[YT]kdM29GnL_VY[/YT] says it best, should she die in TASM2.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

BOLD: Well, it would be extremely stupid to have Gwen wear her iconic clothes, at the bridge, and not die in TASM2. It wouldn't make sense, either. So, based off of pr0xyt0xin's assumption, it would just foreshadow her death in TASM3? If that's the case, then it could be assumed she'd die in the beginning of the third movie.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdM29GnL_VY[/YT] says it best, should she die in TASM2.

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I do not find that video to be proof, but rather more speculation.

"obviously we are getting a monster goblin" how in the world is that obvious? Besides, if we get monster goblin I'll be out anyway. That's a lose/lose scenario to me.

 

[DigificWriter]

Don't think I would say NO evidence...

First, we have the after credits scene from ASM1. I think it's safe to say that the majority of people thought that that was Norman Osborn. Yes, this has been hotly debated with people speculating everything from Electro (think that is proven wrong) to Mysterio to the Cameleon; but more than likely that was Norman.

Next, we have the whole storyline in ASM1 of how Osborn was dying and how he needed Connor's serum in order to live. I think the plan was that they would test it on the vets and then give it to Osborn, but since the whole bridge thing happened my guess is that they had to give it to Osborn without the testing. I think we can all agree that this serum leads Osborn to becoming the Green Goblin.

Since we haven't yet seen Osborn being given the serum it will either not be shown, or more likely it will have to be shown towards the beginning of ASM2. Sure they could use a flashback in ASM3, but that would not be for the best. Plus isn't Cooper confirmed for ASM2? This doesn't mean that we need to see Norman transform right then and there into the Green Goblin, but at a minimum we will likely see him get the serum and then get "better".

The Rhino character doesn't appear to be anything more than a thug driving a truck so far. It is possible that his transformation into the Rhino (suit or cross species) will happen at the end of ASM2 or possibly even in ASM3. Most are assuming that he will be the Rhino in ASM2, but that's not assured. Personally I would like to see that as part of the ASM2 after credits scene - but that's just me...

Next we have the set photos of Emma in the green jacket which is very akin to what she was wearing in her death scene in the comics. She was also, allegdely, filming on a bridge. This definitely doesn't mean 100% she's dead in this movie, or that it's going to be Green Goblin that does the deed, but...

Let's be honest, more than likey it will be GG that kills Gwen. Could it be a twist with Harry being GG instead of Norman? Sure, but that's unlikely. Could it be Electro that kills Gwen? Sure, but that would suck! So it's likely Norman as GG that does the deed...

If they wait until ASM3 to kill Gwen, would they start the movie off with that? Likely not. Would they wait until the middle and use it as the climax? The rest of that movie would seem rushed. Would they have her die at the end with Peter beating GG right there and end the story? That would totally suck. Would there be enough time to delve into how distraught Peter is over the loss and then his need for revenge with either of these options?

Instead, imagine that the events of ASM2 leads to GG and the bridge scene at the end of the movie. This wouldn't require too much Green Goblin story prior since most of it (other than taking the serum) would happen after this point. Peter tries to save Gwen while the Goblin uses that incident to escape. Peter thinks he did it but instead he finds she is dead. The movie ends with him, as someone else went into, cradling Gwen's lifeless body and swearing revenge. This would totally set up the next movie, but unfortunately Gwen is gone...

Also, since they are just intruducing MJ in ASM2, that kind of points to them going further with her character in ASM3, and the best way for that to happen is if Gwen is dead... Personally, I would rather see MJ dropped by GG and her neck snap so Peter and Gwen (played by Emma) can continue and live a happy-ish life... But that's not likely to happen.

Of course most of this speculation is on the assumption that they will finish this story in 3 movies...

So, in summary, I think there is a little bit of evidence pointing to the possibility of Green Goblin being seen in ASM2. The main point though is that IF Gwen dies in ASM2 it is likely to be GG (so he would be in the movie). If they wait until ASM3 to kill her then still it will likely be GG. That is the main point that was being discussed...

None of that stuff necessarily adds up to what you think it does. In legal terms, it's circumstantial at best.

Regarding Rhino, we saw Giamatti filming in a bulky 'concept suit' that is likely going to be replaced in post-production with CGi, so he's got a bigger role than you think he does.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

BOLD: Well, it would be extremely stupid to have Gwen wear her iconic clothes, at the bridge, and not die in TASM2. It wouldn't make sense, either. So, based off of pr0xyt0xin's assumption, it would just foreshadow her death in TASM3? If that's the case, then it could be assumed she'd die in the beginning of the third movie.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdM29GnL_VY[/YT] says it best, should she die in TASM2.

I feel like the iconic clothes are definitely homage.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

None of that stuff necessarily adds up to what you think it does. In legal terms, it's circumstantial at best.

lol yes. Circumstantial.

Now granted our evidence that Gwen is not killed in ASM2 is no better. But Webb is innocent until proven guilty right?

 

[Super Jim]

Now granted our evidence that Gwen is not killed in ASM2 is no better. But Webb is innocent until proven guilty right?

Now that's funny!

Let me provide some counter points...

pr0xyt0xin, you say that because Osborn was dying at the end of ASM that he's still dying in ASM2 and that the Goblin Serum has yet to be invented. How can you be so sure? What we know is that Osborn is pretty much on his deathbed, which means he doesn't have a lot of time. You say there is nothing to suggest they would start human trials with Osborn, but human trials has already happened, with Connors. Yes, it wasn't the best results, but it was definitely something and maybe enough to keep Osborn alive. Maybe they gave Osborn the serum after seeing Connor's fixed, but prior to his transformation.

Now the reason why I feel we will be shown Osborn receiving the serum at the beginning of ASM2 is because we need to see Green Goblin created. Now I'm not saying we're going to see Osborn turn into a goblin-esque creature before our eyes, but likely we will see Norman on his deathbed and with time running out, in desperation, he will be given the serum. We will then see him get "better", or at least you could say that he would no longer be dying. He may be well enough to go visit a newly incarcerated cross species expert. With the timing of things, if he hasn't yet been given the serum, and doesn't get it during ASM2, then he's dead, and we know that won't happen.

Not sure how you can't see that Gwen in the green jacket doesn't spell doom for her. Yes, maybe it won't be in ASM2, but that possibility definitely exists. You wrote that the jacket it nothing more than "more foreshadowing akin to that of Peter's broken promise in ASM". Um, what? Her wearing a jacket that matches her comic book death scene isn't foreshadowing, it's likely her actual death. I think it comes down to one of two things... Either she is wearing that jacket in ASM2 and she will die in ASM2, or she is wearing that jacket is ASM2 and we will be left with a cliffhanger of her, on a bridge, in the clutches of Green Goblin (not yet dead, but obviously heading there). Personally, I would hate the cliffhanger option. It's either one of these or a total red herring, which for some reason I don't think it is...

I guess I am hoping for more in the Green Goblin story. I want to get into the emotion of Peter dealing with her death, at his own hands (in a way) and his need for revenge against Green Goblin. Now throw in the whole daddy issue and the likely need for Osborn to find Richard who can fix the serum since Goblin has lost control, and we have a much bigger story than kill Gwen 1 hour in, and then at 2 hours in Peter defeats GG and we're wrapping things up. I guess I am just hoping that ASM3 is going to be bigger and better than the others and for that to happen we need more than just GG or GG and another cronie. We need Sinister Six, or something like that, and that takes time. If he introduces the audience to GG in 2 then this can happen, otherwise it likely can't.

You say my way results in "no love story, no secondary characters/villains and Peter being distraught the entire time". Um, have you read my way? My concept has 6 villains brought together to not only defeat Spiderman, but to hunt down and capture Richard Parker (so yes, secondary villains). This allows us to deal with the whole daddy thing (so no, he won't be distraught the entire time). My way has Gwen dying at the end of ASM2 and MJ and Peter developing a freindship that will logically lead to love (not in ASM3, but in the future) - (So yes there will be time for that developing). My way, due to the intensity of the villains, would allow the black suit to possibly be used, and/or Black Cat to be introduced and help (so yes, secondary characters). Guess you really haven't thought about what I am hoping for...

Of course MJ is going to end up being "an instant replacement love interest". That doesn't mean they have to actually fall in love in ASM3, but their friendship will be evolving into what will become love some day. Afterall, it is Gwen's death that gets them together in the comics, so wouldn't that make sense. Otherwise MJ is a nothing character in these movies.

Look, much of what they do with GG is going to have to be CG. Also, I haven't been suggesting they spend an hour developing Osborn's GG character. Look, the Rhino will get his "suit" or at least Rhino'd up through some means. My guess is Oscorp/Osborn. That would give us insight into GG. If it's GG (with mask) instead of engineers giving Rhino his stuff then again we have some insight into GG. We wouldn't need too much to set that up. I just have a feeling that the Rhino will just be a thug at the beginning and will be transformed towards the end, by GG or at least by Oscorp/Osborn...

How do you foresee Rhino getting his skin/suit/whatever?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Now that's funny!

Let me provide some counter points...

pr0xyt0xin, you say that because Osborn was dying at the end of ASM that he's still dying in ASM2 and that the Goblin Serum has yet to be invented. How can you be so sure? What we know is that Osborn is pretty much on his deathbed, which means he doesn't have a lot of time. You say there is nothing to suggest they would start human trials with Osborn, but human trials has already happened, with Connors. Yes, it wasn't the best results, but it was definitely something and maybe enough to keep Osborn alive. Maybe they gave Osborn the serum after seeing Connor's fixed, but prior to his transformation.

Now the reason why I feel we will be shown Osborn receiving the serum at the beginning of ASM2 is because we need to see Green Goblin created. Now I'm not saying we're going to see Osborn turn into a goblin-esque creature before our eyes, but likely we will see Norman on his deathbed and with time running out, in desperation, he will be given the serum. We will then see him get "better", or at least you could say that he would no longer be dying. He may be well enough to go visit a newly incarcerated cross species expert. With the timing of things, if he hasn't yet been given the serum, and doesn't get it during ASM2, then he's dead, and we know that won't happen.

Not sure how you can't see that Gwen in the green jacket doesn't spell doom for her. Yes, maybe it won't be in ASM2, but that possibility definitely exists. You wrote that the jacket it nothing more than "more foreshadowing akin to that of Peter's broken promise in ASM". Um, what? Her wearing a jacket that matches her comic book death scene isn't foreshadowing, it's likely her actual death. I think it comes down to one of two things... Either she is wearing that jacket in ASM2 and she will die in ASM2, or she is wearing that jacket is ASM2 and we will be left with a cliffhanger of her, on a bridge, in the clutches of Green Goblin (not yet dead, but obviously heading there). Personally, I would hate the cliffhanger option. It's either one of these or a total red herring, which for some reason I don't think it is...

I guess I am hoping for more in the Green Goblin story. I want to get into the emotion of Peter dealing with her death, at his own hands (in a way) and his need for revenge against Green Goblin. Now throw in the whole daddy issue and the likely need for Osborn to find Richard who can fix the serum since Goblin has lost control, and we have a much bigger story than kill Gwen 1 hour in, and then at 2 hours in Peter defeats GG and we're wrapping things up. I guess I am just hoping that ASM3 is going to be bigger and better than the others and for that to happen we need more than just GG or GG and another cronie. We need Sinister Six, or something like that, and that takes time. If he introduces the audience to GG in 2 then this can happen, otherwise it likely can't.

You say my way results in "no love story, no secondary characters/villains and Peter being distraught the entire time". Um, have you read my way? My concept has 6 villains brought together to not only defeat Spiderman, but to hunt down and capture Richard Parker (so yes, secondary villains). This allows us to deal with the whole daddy thing (so no, he won't be distraught the entire time). My way has Gwen dying at the end of ASM2 and MJ and Peter developing a freindship that will logically lead to love (not in ASM3, but in the future) - (So yes there will be time for that developing). My way, due to the intensity of the villains, would allow the black suit to possibly be used, and/or Black Cat to be introduced and help (so yes, secondary characters). Guess you really haven't thought about what I am hoping for...

Of course MJ is going to end up being "an instant replacement love interest". That doesn't mean they have to actually fall in love in ASM3, but their friendship will be evolving into what will become love some day. Afterall, it is Gwen's death that gets them together in the comics, so wouldn't that make sense. Otherwise MJ is a nothing character in these movies.

Look, much of what they do with GG is going to have to be CG. Also, I haven't been suggesting they spend an hour developing Osborn's GG character. Look, the Rhino will get his "suit" or at least Rhino'd up through some means. My guess is Oscorp/Osborn. That would give us insight into GG. If it's GG (with mask) instead of engineers giving Rhino his stuff then again we have some insight into GG. We wouldn't need too much to set that up. I just have a feeling that the Rhino will just be a thug at the beginning and will be transformed towards the end, by GG or at least by Oscorp/Osborn...

How do you foresee Rhino getting his skin/suit/whatever?

Rhino's origin will probably have something to do with Ravencroft. He will be imprisoned after his police chase. And some sort of experimentation will happen (probably robotic suit) leading to his escape. At least, that's what I want to see.

I'm not going to respond to most of this, not out of disrespect. But because we definitely are on completely different pages. I in no way think ASM3 will feature the Sinister Six. Nor do I think Green Goblin will lead the them, let alone be a member of the Sinister Six. As I've said I also don't believe this series will/should stop at 3 or even 4 films.

If it goes your way, you will have quite the full ASM3 and yes, Gwen should be killed in ASM2. But I think it should all be savored a little longer:

- Emma Stone (fantastic actress, phenomenal Gwen) should get an entire film (ASM2) to be happy with Peter. And we'll worry about the sad bits in the finale.

- Green Goblin, Spidey's arch enemy, after 6 years and 3 films of buildup, should not have to share the screen with 5 other baddies.

- The Sinister Six, should be built up over more than 3 films. The Avengers, after all, was the sixth film in the franchise. For a team of six.

My hopes, in the end, is that we see a long long long Amazing Spidey franchise. And the longer Gwen's stint in it lasts, the longer we can be sure the series is overall.

My best case scenario is that ASM1-3 is the Gwen/Oscorp/Green Goblin trilogy. And ASM4-6 is the MJ/Sinister Six/Doc Ock trilogy

 

[DigificWriter]

Super Jim, Sony has to continue to make Spider-Man films in order to retain ownership of the usage rights to the property and its asociated characters, meaning that they're not in the 'trilogy business'; the only reason the Raimi films comprise a trilogy is because of the behind-the-scenes drama that led Sony to create the rebooted TASM franchise.

What this means is that even if Osborn is taking the serum that turns him into the Goblin, there is no story or time constraint imperative governing his full transformation into the Goblin in this movie.

Filmmakers only generally try to top themselves and cram multiple stories into the course of a film if there's no guarantee that they'll get to finish telling the story they want in full, which is not the case with Sony and Spider-Man or if they know going into a project that they're only going to have three films to tell their story.

Such, however, is not the case with Sony. Barring some unforseen chaos or calamity or another behind-the-scenes breakdown in communication, Sony can and likely will extend the TASM franchise for years to come, which gives them the freedom to do a 'slow build'.

Furthermore, if Osborn were going to become the Goblin in this movie and kill Gwen, we would know about it long before it happened (even if Sony never officially announced it).

 

[Herolee10]

Somehow, I can actually picture Emma's Gwen saying this:

"I don't think you understand Officer! I'm supposed to die in some tragic death later on while wearing this outfit!"

lol

 

[Spiderdevil]

Somehow, I can actually picture Emma's Gwen saying this:

"I don't think you understand Officer! I'm supposed to die in some tragic death later on while wearing this outfit!"

lol

Or Rather

"Officer,this really is my ex-boyfriend stalking me to death,you gotta arrest him'' t:

 

[Super Jim]

Super Jim, Sony has to continue to make Spider-Man films in order to retain ownership of the usage rights to the property and its asociated characters, meaning that they're not in the 'trilogy business'; the only reason the Raimi films comprise a trilogy is because of the behind-the-scenes drama that led Sony to create the rebooted TASM franchise.

What this means is that even if Osborn is taking the serum that turns him into the Goblin, there is no story or time constraint imperative governing his full transformation into the Goblin in this movie.

Filmmakers only generally try to top themselves and cram multiple stories into the course of a film if there's no guarantee that they'll get to finish telling the story they want in full, which is not the case with Sony and Spider-Man or if they know going into a project that they're only going to have three films to tell their story.

Such, however, is not the case with Sony. Barring some unforseen chaos or calamity or another behind-the-scenes breakdown in communication, Sony can and likely will extend the TASM franchise for years to come, which gives them the freedom to do a 'slow build'.

Furthermore, if Osborn were going to become the Goblin in this movie and kill Gwen, we would know about it long before it happened (even if Sony never officially announced it).

This is a good point. Much of my speculation and hopes have been with the assumption of this being a trilogy. I know I have read here, somewhere, that the actors are only set for the 3 and that is all anyone is expecting (at this time).

Believe me, I would love more than 3. There was a time when I wrote that I would love it to be like this:

ASM1 - Lizard
ASM2 - Electro and/or Rhino/Scorpion
ASM3 - Green Goblin
ASM4 - Sinister Six
ASM5 - Venom
ASM6 - Carnage

As I think we all know, if they do things right this franchise could go on and on. That's one of the things I love about Spiderman, he has some of the best and the most villains. I mean, just think about how many movies you could do, even with 2 villains at a time, with the following list:

Lizard
Electro
Rhino
Green Goblin
Chamelion
Kraven the Hunter
Scorpion
Shocker
Mysterio
Doctor Octopus
Venom
Carnage
Shriek
Vulture
Hobgoblin
Kingpin (who cares if it was done poorly in Daredevil)
Morbius
Sandman
Silvermane
Smythe
Hydroman
Tombstone
Carrion
Jackal

Believe me, I would absolutely love if this just kept going and going, even bringing back some past villains in future movies. For example, we could have a movie with Rhino and Electro, and then another with Scorpion and Kingpin, and then another with Kraven and Chamelion; and then have the Sinister Six, led by Doc Ock, with him breaking some of these guys out of Ravencroft or wherever to form the Six and seek revenge.

But, the question is what are they thinking?

Are they thinking let's plan for 3 and go as big as possible in the 3rd, or are they thinking about doing what was done, albeit poorly, in Spiderman 1, which was simply Spidey vs. GG. Maybe that's the way they will go, but I have a feeling they are going to want it to be bigger and badder...

 

[Super Jim]

Somehow, I can actually picture Emma's Gwen saying this:

"I don't think you understand Officer! I'm supposed to die in some tragic death later on while wearing this outfit!"

lol

Almost no doubt in my mind that this scene is just minutes away from Gwen's neck snapping. Maybe it's just me, but everything seems to match, the clothes, the time of day, the emotions, the brick bridge in the background.

Just trying to fogure out what Gwen Stacy would be saying to this cop, with this much emotion, with Spidey right there, with his head down as if he just got his butt whooped? Let's speculate...

Here are some ideas:

1. "He's got a bus load of kids!"

Not sure if they would go that route again after it was already done in Spiderman 1. Would they want to force the choice aspect and if so, is there something else along the lines of a bus load of kids?

2. "You've got to shut off the power!"

As a means to stop Electro. Kind of like this one. Quite possible... Hmmm.................................... After all, she is a science geek!

Not sure what else it could be... Any other ideas (not funny ones, because we could have caption contests that would be hilareous - like "OMG Officer, they dressed me in these clothes, which means I'm doomed!"). Maybe someone should set up a funny captions thread!

 

[Doc Ock]

I don't want Gwen to die yet.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Almost no doubt in my mind that this scene is just minutes away from Gwen's neck snapping. Maybe it's just me, but everything seems to match, the clothes, the time of day, the emotions, the brick bridge in the background.

Everything you have seen you have taken as proof she will die, chill the hell out, we have NO proof at all

there is a fire in the background in one of the pictures and an upside down car, chances are its down to electro or at the very least rhino, do i think electro will kill gwen? No!, do i think they will over shadow electro with GG? No! i don't think there is enough time in this film for that, nor would it be a good idea

infact it may just be gwen warning the cops about electro

stop over thinking, this scene could be anything and will probably be nothing about a bridge

 

[PeterBenParker]

put only the string of letters/numbers after the equal sign to link youtube videos.

I do not find that video to be proof, but rather more speculation.

"obviously we are getting a monster goblin" how in the world is that obvious? Besides, if we get monster goblin I'll be out anyway. That's a lose/lose scenario to me.

I agree, the title shouldn't be "proof" but rather speculation.

I didn't say "obviously we're getting a monster goblin", if that's directed to me.

Thanks for the tip about links, still getting used to the site. :P

 

[DigificWriter]

@Super Jim: Even if the principal actors are only signed for 3 films right now, that's not an indicator that there will only be three films, particularly since, as I mentioned, Sony only rebooted the franchise because of the behind-the-scenes chaos and communication breakdown between them and Raimi on the set of Spidey 4.

Sony seems to be willing to let Marc Webb and Co. move much slower when it comes to world-building, which I think is nice because it lets the franchise use villains that we probably might not get to see on-screen otherwise.

 

[Shikamaru]

Unless TASM 2 and TASM 3 suck and bomb financially, there is no way they are going to reboot after 3 movies. Sony and Webb have both said that they are trying to map out a massive Spider-Man universe. They wouldn't do that just to discard it after 3 movies.

On top of that, Sony has come out and said that the reason they felt a reboot was necessary was because the Raimi franchise grew up Peter Parker way too fast. This means that ending things at movie 3 would either cause them to grow up Peter again too fast to give the franchise a closed ending or to stop Peter's development prematurely in favor of a new franchise.

It is highly unlikely they will reboot. What we'll probably end up seeing is having the Spider-Man franchise keep going just like Bond.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ You hit the nail on the head; what this likely means in terms of overall story and Gwen's death in particular is that it's not going to happen in this movie even if there are fans out there who think that it should.

In terms of doing a 'slow build' with regards to building a consistent and far-reaching universe, it makes no sense to cram Gwen's death and the introduction of the Goblin into a film that is already going to be focused on Electro, Rhino, and who knows what else. When Gwen's death happens, it needs to have 'gravitas' and 'oomph', and it won't if it's crammed onto the end of this movie. The only way to do Gwen's death in this movie and not rob it of gravitas and oomph is to have it happen at the hands of the firm's villains Electro and/or Rhino, and it sounds as if Webb and Co. want to translate her death from the comic as exactly as possible, which means having her die at the hands of Osborn and inadvertently Spidey, which likely means saving it for TASM 3.

As for where it might happen in TASM3, I actually think it could very well come fairly early on in the film, but shouldn't and likely won't happen without Peter having already had at least one confrontation with the Goblin.

Having said that, though, I think the best place for it to happen in TASM3 is at the midway point (similarly to how Rachel's death came at the midway point in TDK).

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Unless TASM 2 and TASM 3 suck and bomb financially, there is no way they are going to reboot after 3 movies. Sony and Webb have both said that they are trying to map out a massive Spider-Man universe. They wouldn't do that just to discard it after 3 movies.

On top of that, Sony has come out and said that the reason they felt a reboot was necessary was because the Raimi franchise grew up Peter Parker way too fast. This means that ending things at movie 3 would either cause them to grow up Peter again too fast to give the franchise a closed ending or to stop Peter's development prematurely in favor of a new franchise.

It is highly unlikely they will reboot. What we'll probably end up seeing is having the Spider-Man franchise keep going just like Bond.

I'd like to see that. And you definitely made a lot of points that make sense so I hope it goes down this route. They most likely will, especially after two takes on the origin story.

 

[Super Jim]

^ You hit the nail on the head; what this likely means in terms of overall story and Gwen's death in particular is that it's not going to happen in this movie even if there are fans out there who think that it should.

In terms of doing a 'slow build' with regards to building a consistent and far-reaching universe, it makes no sense to cram Gwen's death and the introduction of the Goblin into a film that is already going to be focused on Electro, Rhino, and who knows what else. When Gwen's death happens, it needs to have 'gravitas' and 'oomph', and it won't if it's crammed onto the end of this movie. The only way to do Gwen's death in this movie and not rob it of gravitas and oomph is to have it happen at the hands of the firm's villains Electro and/or Rhino, and it sounds as if Webb and Co. want to translate her death from the comic as exactly as possible, which means having her die at the hands of Osborn and inadvertently Spidey, which likely means saving it for TASM 3.

As for where it might happen in TASM3, I actually think it could very well come fairly early on in the film, but shouldn't and likely won't happen without Peter having already had at least one confrontation with the Goblin.

Having said that, though, I think the best place for it to happen in TASM3 is at the midway point (similarly to how Rachel's death came at the midway point in TDK).

^ I agree, which would mean having her wear clothes very similar to what Gwen was wearing in the comic when Green Goblin killed her, right? So if we see Emma wearing clothes like this in ASM2 then we should start thinking that they are getting real close to killing her, right? Because, as we all know, it is not normal in a movie for a character, sich as Gwen, to wear the same clothes multiple times, days or even weeks apart. Of course in real life we do this all of the time. For example, the hirt I'm wearing right now I will probably wear again in 2 weeks. But in the movies, if you see a character, such as Gwen Stacey, wearing something iconic that goes with a major event in that character's life, then more than likely that major event is about to happen, right?

Of course, Webb could be screwing with all of us, but, if as you put it, he is trying to translate her death from the comic as exactly as possible, then wouldn't that include the clothes?

Also, let's be honest, it is not very likely that he's going to film out in the open Emma attached to a cable falling froma bridge. That would kind of give away a bit too much, right?

Honestly, all of these pics and such are indeed circumstantial, but the circumstantial evidence points moreso to her dying in ASM2 than in ASM3. I do believe that if it happens in ASM2 it will be at the end and very unexpected. Something to shock and awe the general audience.

People like you and me, the first time we see Gwen wearing that suit near a bridge and some masked dude on a glider flying around, we'll know the deal. But the general audience won't see it coming.

All of a sudden, this masked guy that they only saw in one previous scene when the Rhino was getting his make-over, flys down, grabs Gwen and flys up to the top of a bridge. Spidey goes after and with Gwen being held by her neck a standoff ensues. There will be dialog and then the drop. Spidey will go after Gwen, allowing GG to get away, "swish"... "Snap"... and all of us are upset because we loved Emma's Gwen. But wow, the general audience will be drooling for ASM3, won't they?

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I agree, which would mean having her wear clothes very similar to what Gwen was wearing in the comic when Green Goblin killed her, right? So if we see Emma wearing clothes like this in ASM2 then we should start thinking that they are getting real close to killing her, right? Because, as we all know, it is not normal in a movie for a character, sich as Gwen, to wear the same clothes multiple times, days or even weeks apart. Of course in real life we do this all of the time. For example, the hirt I'm wearing right now I will probably wear again in 2 weeks. But in the movies, if you see a character, such as Gwen Stacey, wearing something iconic that goes with a major event in that character's life, then more than likely that major event is about to happen, right?

Not necessarily.

Regarding introducing Goblin as a background character and then having him swoop in at the end of the movie, grab Gwen, and drop her, such a scenario would completely overshadow everything else that had happened in the movie and render Gwen's death - which has gravitas and oomph in the comics (as I understand it) - nothing more than a cheap 'shock and awe' stunt in the minds of general audiences (although it would certainly get them talking). In order for Gwen's death to actually mean something to general audiences as well as to comics fans, it has to be built up to in all aspects.