Emma Watson in Beauty and the Beast - Part 2

[Schlosser85]

There's really not even any "gay content" in the movie in any meaningful way. That's what makes this whole hoopla so silly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There's really not even any "gay content" in the movie in any meaningful way. That's what makes this whole hoopla so silly.

But that is the issue. People are "freaking out" at the idea of gay people existing in a Disney movie, period.

 

[The Shape]

They really should have just not said anything about this prior to the film's release. It's something that ultimately has no impact on this film itself or the story it's telling. If they intended it to amount to one or two cute little moments in the film, there was no reason to "reveal" this prior to the film's release.

Upon seeing the movie, people would have caught onto it and it would have garnered its own buzz as a "news story".

 

[Schlosser85]

James Berardinelli (internet critic) has seen the movie and hadn't even realized LaFou was meant to be gay until someone complained about it on his Twitter.

 

[The Shape]

Exactly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why does it matter if they mentioned it? I am confused by that line of thought. What is wrong about it?

 

[Jekecy]

I wouldn't say it was wrong per se, but it does reek of "look at how progressive we are!".

It's weird because the only time where it should really be highlighted is if it's actually consequential to the character or story. If not, then just leave it be in the background.

 

[The Shape]

Why does it matter if they mentioned it? I am confused by that line of thought. What is wrong about it?

There's nothing wrong with the fact that there is a gay character in the film, whatsoever.

The reason I suggested that they shouldn't have bothered to mention this or advertise it prior to the film's release is because they themselves have have turned this non-story into an entertainment news story that has gained a fair amount of traction in the media, and has caused an unnecessary amount of needless "controversy".

Are you of the mind that this should have definitely been mentioned or disclosed prior to the film's release? Why? What purpose does it serve and how does it benefit the film, really? From what I understand, this whole thing primarily boils down to one harmless and cute "moment" in the film -- not even a line of dialogue or something driven by/related to the story in any significant way. And yet now, if you Google "Beauty and the Beast", all the top news stories are about this.

Beyond all that, though, I personally think people would have found it to be an even more heartwarming, surprising, and impactful moment if they had spotted it or caught wind of it while watching the actual film, and in turn, it most likely would have created even more positive post-release buzz for the film.

 

[The Shape]

I wouldn't say it was wrong per se, but it does reek of "look at how progressive we are!".

It's weird because the only time where it should really be highlighted is if it's actually consequential to the character or story. If not, then just leave it be in the background.

Agreed.

If there's nothing wrong with having a gay moment in this film (which there isn't), I don't see why they felt the need to advertise it or brace people for something so inconsequential prior to the film's release -- aside from wanting to either pat themselves on the back about it, or spoil the moment for people who haven't seen the film (which is pretty much everyone around the world).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't mind people personally believing what they want but I don't think that any government should give bigots an inch and make laws based on the majority's bigotry.

 

[jmc]

Making a big deal about it is ultimately what turns people off. No-one cares. Just put the characters in the story and let it be.

 

[Schlosser85]

It smacks of Disney and/or the filmmakers patting themselves on the back when they didn't really do anything so daring or substantive, and then the ridiculous homophobic snowflakes are throwing a fit and acting like there's a full blown gay sex scene or something.

It just feels like a non story that's blown up into much ado about nothing and is overshadowing the movie itself.

 

[kickass]

Oh, give me a break with this. I don't know or have seen or heard anyone complaining about this issue or these supposed characters in the film, other than the fact that a few articles say so. I'm inclined to believe there is no backlash whatsoever, and if so, it's extremely minimal. No one is "freaking out". This tactic is being deployed to gather controversy and thus conversation about the film in a way as to defend it and put it in a good light before it's released onto the masses. It's a way to essentially get people to like a film that they most likely won't care about the moment they leave the theatre

 

[X Knight]

It smacks of Disney and/or the filmmakers patting themselves on the back when they didn't really do anything so daring or substantive, and then the ridiculous homophobic snowflakes are throwing a fit and acting like there's a full blown gay sex scene or something.

It just feels like a non story that's blown up into much ado about nothing and is overshadowing the movie itself.

yep.

 

[Faora]

I am just happy Faora will actually be able to see the film. Faora seems rather excited for it and it would have been a shame if this BS stopped that from happening.

so, I take it that the 16+ rating in Russia means you have to be at least 16 or older to see the movie? otherwise, you'll need to be accompanied by an adult?

Basically yes. But I hear at Logan see a lot of kids. With Beauty and the Beast will be same.

Extended Movie Clip - Dinner Invitation

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I like Dan Stevens voice.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It smacks of Disney and/or the filmmakers patting themselves on the back when they didn't really do anything so daring or substantive, and then the ridiculous homophobic snowflakes are throwing a fit and acting like there's a full blown gay sex scene or something.

It just feels like a non story that's blown up into much ado about nothing and is overshadowing the movie itself.

How so? All Condon did was mention it. He didn't make a big deal about it. You are taking the media reaction and applying it to Condon.

There's nothing wrong with the fact that there is a gay character in the film, whatsoever.

The reason I suggested that they shouldn't have bothered to mention this or advertise it prior to the film's release is because they themselves have have turned this non-story into an entertainment news story that has gained a fair amount of traction in the media, and has caused an unnecessary amount of needless "controversy".

Are you of the mind that this should have definitely been mentioned or disclosed prior to the film's release? Why? What purpose does it serve and how does it benefit the film, really? From what I understand, this whole thing primarily boils down to one harmless and cute "moment" in the film -- not even a line of dialogue or something driven by/related to the story in any significant way. And yet now, if you Google "Beauty and the Beast", all the top news stories are about this.

Beyond all that, though, I personally think people would have found it to be an even more heartwarming, surprising, and impactful moment if they had spotted it or caught wind of it while watching the actual film, and in turn, it most likely would have created even more positive post-release buzz for the film.

I think it doesn't matter whether they revealed it or not. The only reason this is an issue is some people are hateful. I don't think that should keep someone from saying something.

 

[OutOfBoose]

In the light of all this, I wonder if Disney's money loss will affect future movies. Or their advertising, at least.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What money loss? This is like assuming the people hating Finn because he is black or Rey because she is a women effected TFA's box office. Same with Rogue One, because "oh my God, another woman".

 

[OutOfBoose]

With rating 16+ much less kids will go and watch the film.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

http://deadline.com/2017/03/beauty-...in-america-civil-war-finding-dory-1202038233/

Disney’s Beauty and the Beast doesn’t open for another 11 days, however, Fandango today indicated that the live-action feature adaptation of the Oscar-winning 1991 animated pic is already beating the pre-sales of both Captain America: Civil War and Finding Dory.
Those two movies turned out to be last summer’s and Disney’s top titles in regards to openings and cumes: Civil War debuted to $179.1M and legged out to $408M, while Dory posted a first weekend of $135M and a final domestic total of $486.3M. On the high end, should Beauty and the Beast even touch Civil War‘s three-day, it will decimate March’s all-time opening record of $166M, which, since last year, belongs to Warner Bros.’ Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. The second and third highest openings for the third month of the year belong to 2012’s The Hunger Games ($152.5M) and 2010’s Alice in Wonderland ($116.1M).

Tracking on February 23 showed at least a $110M opening for the Bill Condon-directed musical. However, many non-Disney trackers believe Beauty is going to turn in a gorgeous $150M-plus three-day. Fandango’s latest pulse further supports this projection, not to mention Beauty owns a healthy Rotten Tomatoes score of 73% fresh off 48 reviews.

One record Beauty and the Beast will easily notch: the best opening for a musical on the big screen (the current record holder belongs to Disney’s High School Musical 3 which cleared a $42M first weekend in October 2008).

Given the fact that Beauty and the Beast is ahead of Dory in advance ticket sales, that makes the Emma Watson movie the fastest-selling family film in Fandango history.

Word out of exhibitors’ screenings is that theater owners are over the moon for Beauty and the Beast. The movie has already sold out hundreds of showtimes across the country.

In a Fandango moviegoer survey this year, Beauty and the Beast was listed as the third most anticipated film following Star Wars: Episode VIII – The Last Jedi and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Overall, it's silly. Frozen had a gay character and it made a bank in Russia. Nobody gave a damn. And I don't think a single kid died because of that. Or "converted". But Milonov is our local LeFou and with general restoration of religious movements in Russia, more crazies will try to instill their values.

On the other news, Moonlight is in our theaters and nobody cares. As for that "gay propaganda" law, it's incredibly vague and incompetent. People, who made it, have literally no idea.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

With rating 16+ much less kids will go and watch the film.

Russian box office isn't all that big of a deal. Box Office Mojo has the Russian total at 25m as of July 2016 for TFA. That wouldn't even have prevented it from making it to 2 billion.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Russian box office isn't all that big of a deal. Box Office Mojo has the Russian total at 25m as of July 2016 for TFA. That wouldn't even have prevented it from making it to 2 billion.

Not a big deal, then. Controversy for controversy's sake. To paint Russia as some evil state. Nothing new.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not a big deal, then. Controversy for controversy's sake. To paint Russia as some evil state. Nothing new.

Yes, that is exactly what Condon was trying to do. What?

You decry the law and then cry about Russia being painted badly. That doesn't make sense.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yes, that is exactly what Condon was trying to do. What?

I didn't say it was Condon. Condon was just patting himself on the back. Like other users mentioned. But it was turned into controversy by the media. "Outraged", "ban" and so on...

You decry the law and then cry about Russia being painted badly. That doesn't make sense.

I decry it because I disagree with it. Ultimately, it's just a compromise law at this point. However incompetent it is. Just to prevent public outcry.