Endgame Endgame User Review Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[warhorse78]

Answer to your Thor question

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Nope, not really, he does it in the final battle but you're too upset to care at that point. What they did to Thor in this counts as one of the biggest crimes this movie commits and all the good the Russos did with the character in IW is undone, just like that, with the snap of a finger. But I guess some people got their few chuckles in.[/spoilers

I agree with this 100 percent. His whole transformation left me flabbergasted. I can't help but feel to me that those in power have decided to build up a certain character as the best ever, had to do that by destroying old fan favorites. I am a typical woman who likes to go to these movies to see the hunky guys, and so they took that away from me with Thor, who was absolutely beautiful to look at in his previous movies.

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Funny enough, as much as the MCU is trying to act all "woke", I bet they would never allow one of their female characters to become fat slobs. Then to add insult to injury with the character, he ends up having a mom complex, and then gives away his crown to Valkerie, and then to become a servant to the GOTG. This is what has become of the almighty Thor, in a nutshell. Once one of the most powerful, wisest and endearing characters in the MCU, and is now just another face in the crowd.

Answer to your Cap/Tony question

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Nope, I really don't think so. There's this weird messing about with time in the story telling where the movie starts, Tony gets back to Earth in the first couple minutes, then they find Thanos, go there, take his head off (like THE actual Thanos from IW, killed in a shack while cooking food) Tony is pissed off at Cap for Civil War still and then we jump to 5 years later and the rest of the movie continues with a Thanos from the past and Tony decides to help them and be nice again because they... asked him? Again? I guess. With real serious faces this time. After that he's friends with Cap again. No arc, no nothing.

Yep, agree with you here. Sorry, there is no brotherly love between the two, and I felt nothing was resolved. Sure, Steve gets his shield back, but then it breaks. And what happened to his shield he got from T'Challa? It's like the whole movie completely forgets about Wakanda and how the Black Panther movie breathed new life into the franchise.

Answer to your Thanos question

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The Thanos from the first film is gone. Like literally and figuratively. What happens to him within the first 5 minutes of the movie is just so weird that you spend the rest of the movie thinking "Wait... we're getting THAT Thanos back right?" Which never happens and then on a more meta level I guess you're thinking "Are we gonna get the badass Josh Brolin Thanos back atleast?" And then that never really happens either. In this movie he's back to being just another generic bad guy who wants to collect the stones because it's the Thanos from the past, not the one who fought them in IW.

My friends were like, he goes from killing half the world, to being a farmer cooking food in a shack?

I left thinking "Did the Russo's even actually make this movie?" Honestly I don't think so. But I mean, maybe. I didn't much like Civil War either but it was waaay better than this.

It makes me wonder too about who really made this movie. It screams of massive studio interference. The potential for a great movie was there, but it dropped the ball. I left the theater disappointed and angry at how my favorite characters were treated in the end, and the whole time travel has me wonder what exists and doesn't anymore. What Steve did in the end wasn't beautiful on his part, it was selfish. So, we now have what, 4 Steve Rogers running around the time paradox? The more I think about it, the more convoluted the whole thing is. I was expecting a plot similar to Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, but, without a doubt, HP did a far superior job on the subject.

If the audience I was with is any indication I can guarantee that it will be very mixed. I lost count of how many stupid moments there were in this. It is one of the strangest movies I've seen in a long time and not in a good way and it was very visible with the audience.

People sighing and getting bored halfway through, checking their phones, having a general "WTF?" vibe about them, not responding to moments that I guess were supposed to be those fist pumping "Eff Yeah!" scenes.

This movie was just not it and it'll become more clear in the coming days.

I had planned to watch this movie with my less hardcore CBM friends on Friday, I agreed to that but couldn't wait and went ASAP. I am really dreading having to sit through all that again on Friday. Compare that to the first Avengers and Infinity War which were both so well crafted I watched them in the cinema about 5 times each.

Take that as you will.

Agreed here. Now, I can sit through a long movie. I was in a LOTR marathon where I sat through every single movie, and each one an extended edition, and to this day, I will continue to go see them when they come to the theaters because the movies are just beautifully filmed. The attention to the detail, the story, the characters. I still cry at the end when Aragorn tells the hobbits they bow to no one. I felt there was none of this in EG. There was no build up, there was no heart. I didn't cry during the "emotional" scenes because they were more or less, just rehashes of stuff we already seen. Even the same music played in one scene, and the whole thing felt corny and forced.

This doesn't feel like a Russo movie. The dialogue was terrible, scenes were corny and cringe worthy, and our original heroes didn't go out with a bang, but more or less, a whimper to make room for the new heroes.

 

[warhorse78]

Tony is my favorite MCU character

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yet his death left me completely cold. It just didn't feel... earned. It happened because it had to happen.

It felt like a rehash of what happened to him in the first Avengers.

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I had a different movie altogether in my head, and it simply did not happen. At all. I was expecting Tony, Scott and the rest of the gang going to Wakanda, joining up with Shuri and they all make the time machine using vibranium technology, and in the end, after everything is saved, Tony decides to retire and passes his torch to Shuri, and Steve decides to make Wakanda the new headquarters for the Avengers. I was also expecting Cap to be the one to sacrifice himself for the Soul Stone since they had the Red Skull guarding it, and well, the sacrifice they left with was just a rehash with what happened to Gamora in IW.

The whole movie was dumb and convoluted.

 

[LoganPool]

Who gives a DAMN about Coulson??! Like, really.....jeez.....putting him in the same line as the O6 is insulting...

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I do. He was a big part of inter-weaving the Phase 1 movies. Not-to-mention, in the early seasons of AOS, they heavily teased his reunion with the O6. He specifically told Lady Sif, "I want to surprise Thor in person that I'm alive." (paraphrasing of course). I would've MUCH rather seen Couson during Starks funeral than the kid from IM3!

 

[warhorse78]

Good, now I looked cool packing my stuff and leaving the instant the screen went dark.

I'm sure there were plenty of people rolling their eyes at me thinking "Pff... amateur" but the joke's on them in the end.

Like I kept on saying, this movie was no love letter to the fans who have been with it since the beginning. It was a big FU. From crapping on all of our favorite original characters

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(Hulk didn't even get his revenge with Thanos, which is some serious BS!)

to disrespecting the fans who were loyally waiting till the end credit scenes to only reward that loyalty by not having any. The movie did only two things right in my opinion, one

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Steve finally picks up Milnoir, which I was wanting to see since AOU, and him passing his torch to Sam, which I also been wanting since the character was introduced in Winter Soldier.

 

[MovieSlave]

It felt like a rehash of what happened to him in the first Avengers. I had a different movie altogether in my head, and it simply did not happen. At all. I was expecting Tony, Scott and the rest of the gang going to Wakanda, joining up with Shuri and they all make the time machine using vibranium technology, and in the end, after everything is saved, Tony decides to retire and passes his torch to Shuri, and Steve decides to make Wakanda the new headquarters for the Avengers. I was also expecting Cap to be the one to sacrifice himself for the Soul Stone since they had the Red Skull guarding it, and well, the sacrifice they left with was just a rehash with what happened to Gamora in IW. The whole movie was dumb and convoluted.

In bold, that would have been really lame.

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People are way too hung up on Wakanda as far as I'm concerned.

Also, I see people use "convoluted" as a criticism for a lot of movies over the years. This movie was indeed not convoluted, it was not hard to follow really.

Like I kept on saying, this movie was no love letter to the fans who have been with it since the beginning. It was a big FU. From crapping on all of our favorite original characters

I don't agree with that at all. Maybe for you but I felt it was a bit of a love letter to the fans who have been following this since 2008. Having Hulk

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not get his revenge on Thanos isn't something I would call "crapping on"

and using "all" is definitely a stretch.

 

[inomilan]

It felt like a rehash of what happened to him in the first Avengers. I had a different movie altogether in my head, and it simply did not happen. At all. I was expecting Tony, Scott and the rest of the gang going to Wakanda, joining up with Shuri and they all make the time machine using vibranium technology, and in the end, after everything is saved, Tony decides to retire and passes his torch to Shuri, and Steve decides to make Wakanda the new headquarters for the Avengers. I was also expecting Cap to be the one to sacrifice himself for the Soul Stone since they had the Red Skull guarding it, and well, the sacrifice they left with was just a rehash with what happened to Gamora in IW. The whole movie was dumb and convoluted.

Hmmm yeah thank goodness this wasn't the movie we got.

 

[marty mcfly]

Seeing all of these posters say "they didn't do what I was expecting" or "they didn't do what I wanted them to do" makes me really glad that y'all aren't filmmakers.

 

[warhorse78]

Damn



I do know the arc from the comics, but the other responses are making me worried and, please don't take offence, but your response is not alleviating that worry. I loved IW but hated what they did with Hulk, so I was expecting a grand payoff here which it seems us Hulk fans don't get.

I did not like what they did with the Hulk here. Sorry, but the Russo brothers were terrible with Hulk and Banner altogether. He was a joke in both their movies. A complete joke. I think his best interpretation was in Thor: Ragnorok, to be honest.

 

[warhorse78]

I haven’t heard much about Rocket in this, does he get his own chance to shine?

In my opinion, out of all of the characters, he probably has the best lines, and he probably ended up being my all around favorite in terms of character, but he didn't have any shining moments in terms of action. I also felt a little let down

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with his reunion with Groot.

 

[Zyraquis]

People who are easily entertained are the lucky ones. The sad ones are those who are full of themselves. Have a good day sitting in your brightness and be bright bro.

 

[MovieSlave]

And it's sad to see so many people easily entertained. But, it is known that the mass population ain't too bright in the grand scheme of things.

Hahaha, really? So people who enjoyed this movie and didn't find it convoluted aren't "too bright"? Yet this is coming from you, someone who found this movie that was easy to follow "convoluted".

 

[inomilan]

Well, I respect everyone's opinions, but outliers will always exist lol.

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

And it's sad to see so many people easily entertained. But, it is known that the mass population ain't too bright in the grand scheme of things.

Dude you need to chill out. We get it. You didn't like it. Don't be one of those people that craps on everyone else's enjoyment of something. You are not the be all end all of movie critics.

 

[Holy Slapper]

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Cap going back to 40s would leave his old self in the ice. He would live out his life with peggy and stop red skull and hydra before they got too powerful bcos he already knows about their origin. Then when 2012 Avengers 1 happens im guessing he teleports back to the Endgame timeline and leaves his old self to be found in the ice and be recruited by nick Fury.

He basically "fills in" all the time that old cap was in the ice between 1940-2012

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I gather he stopped being Captain America when he went back to Peggy. He remained anonymous. He knew where to go as an old man.

 

[Holy Slapper]

It felt like a rehash of what happened to him in the first Avengers.

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I had a different movie altogether in my head, and it simply did not happen. At all. I was expecting Tony, Scott and the rest of the gang going to Wakanda, joining up with Shuri and they all make the time machine using vibranium technology, and in the end, after everything is saved, Tony decides to retire and passes his torch to Shuri, and Steve decides to make Wakanda the new headquarters for the Avengers. I was also expecting Cap to be the one to sacrifice himself for the Soul Stone since they had the Red Skull guarding it, and well, the sacrifice they left with was just a rehash with what happened to Gamora in IW.

The whole movie was dumb and convoluted.

So basically you made the same mistake as with TLJ. Dreamed up the movie in your head and when it wasn't like that, you were disappointed for selfish reasons.

 

[Stark Bauer]

I’ve been saying this since the first Iron Man, no MCU movie has matched the first IRON MAN or surpassed it. Endgame just did The Impossible. Bravo Russos Bravo Feige Bravo RDJ!

 

[Stark Bauer]

And it's sad to see so many people easily entertained. But, it is known that the mass population ain't too bright in the grand scheme of things.

is that you Loki?








In all seriousness the MCU are purely entertaining movies - with an indie film flair. The Netflix shows particularly Daredevil seasons 1-3 have way more character development and might be more up your alley.

 

[baerrtt]

One of the most entertaining, and yes despite certain character fates, joyous blockbusters I've ever seen IMO..and I've seen them all.

A great ending to the last 11 years of the MCU.

 

[baerrtt]

Seeing all of these posters say "they didn't do what I was expecting" or "they didn't do what I wanted them to do" makes me really glad that y'all aren't filmmakers.

Over the last few years that criticism has become more heightened hasn't it? The idea that a blockbuster shouldn't subvert expectations is a narrow minded one.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Look, I get that the movie has some issues and it isn't what some people wanted, but "a big FU" to the fans? Seriously? Yeah, I'm sure that when the Russos and Feige sat down and mapped this thing out, they were like, "Let's piss off everyone who has made us so successful. What a bunch of rubes. Let's make the biggest movie ever and yank the rug out from under those idiots BECAUSE WE CAN."

 

[Another_Fool]

I am getting some serious Last Jedi backlash vibes from the reaction in this forum. Wow. Is Endgame going to really be as divisive? No way right?

 

[HotRodEconomist]

I am getting some serious Last Jedi backlash vibes from the reaction in this forum. Wow. Is Endgame going to really be as divisive? No way right?

No. It's not near as divisive as TLJ. Endgame gave fans nearly everything we asked for..and more. The Last Jedi didn't give anything the fans wanted. It was made to be divisive to 'subvert expectations'.
Endgame only has a few lingering quirks but is an awesome movie!!

 

[Frodo]

All the reactions I'm seeing on this forum collectively is starting to feel very reminiscent over how The Dark Knight Rises was recieved when it came out, but then as time went by and people thought about it more and more its star started to fade.

I was thinking the same thing, though I feel EG is a much stronger, tighter, and more satisfying " conclusion" than TDKR .

The debate over TDKR back in the day was over basically whether the film was an A + or a B+. There were some who out and out didn't like TDKR, but in generally ,even fans tended to fall on the spectrum of is it good/solid or is it great .

Even That solid vs great spectrum resulted in alot of heated debatesl, but it was nowhere near as awful or polarizing as later debates over other geek properties would become. It was pretty tame by comparison to today .

I tend to think EG is gonna be debated on the scale of is it a good film or a great film , which imo is a win for EG and the MCU.

 

[Frodo]

No. It's not near as divisive as TLJ.

Yeah I agree. MOS, BVS, and TLJ were much much worse polarization, and I don't even see the responses between EG and TLJ as comparable.

I would compare the response to EG to more like Return of the Jedi or TKDR in which the measure is, is it good or is it great.

 

[warhorse78]

is that you Loki?








In all seriousness the MCU are purely entertaining movies - with an indie film flair. The Netflix shows particularly Daredevil seasons 1-3 have way more character development and might be more up your alley.

They are popcorn films. And you are right, I do love the Daredevil shows

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and was disappointed yet again that Fiege refused to let the TV characters join the theatrical characters in the finale battle

. But, I do think the first Iron-Man, The Winter Soldier, GOTG and Infinity War were excellent movies in both the action and storytelling. In fact, most of the MCU is pretty good, the only movies I didn't care for were Iron-Man 3, The Dark World, Age of Ultron, GOTG 2 and Captain Marvel. I will probably have to see End Game another few times now that the first initial reaction is gone. One thing it has going for it, it shut up all of the fan boys who deemed

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Steve Rogers was not worthy to wield Mjölnir, when it's obvious he not only knew he could wield it the whole time, but he was probably practicing with it off screen in AOU with the way he knew how to use it effortlessly!

That one scene did have the whole theater cheering!