Endgame Endgame User Review Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Unbeliever]

Overall I liked it (quite a bit actually), but still only ended up loving certain sequences (and moments) in it. It does have a completely different vibe to Infinity War, but I did/do feel that was necessary.

It was alway going to need to be a far more intimate story than the 1st movie. The first movie was about a group of individuals who had faced many insurmountable odds in the past, but had always found a way to overcome in the end... actually losing, and losing BIG. This movie was more about the aftermath of that and a slim chance of fixing it.

Spoiler: Significant Spoilers

The first part of Endgame is about soldiers dealing with severe PTSD and massive loss trying to cope, with Thor being on one side of the extreme end, Hawkeye being on the other and everyone else somewhere inbetween. (*On a Side Note - I would have loved to see a whole movie with Hawkeye going down the darkside unbelievably furious that "good people" were lost but that "bad people" had survived due to the indiscriminate nature of Thano's "snap"... a minor subplot that I totally dug and think would have been worth exploring fully). This first section also touched on how the world would cope with such a major loss over time (but not really much on the rest of the universe unfortunately). It also dealt with how revenge alone is not even remotely close enough to possibly make up for their failure... which I appreciated.

The middle part of Endgame is basically a "Heist Movie" with lots of funny moments (not every one landed, but overall I thought pretty well done). This has lots of nostaligic moments, throwbacks to many of the previous 20 movies and the unexpected temporary revival of multiple dead characters returning to their roles... which I thought was a great surprise and well done. This section also gave certain characters the chance for closure that they had missed or never had the chance to have in previous movies.

The last part is what everyone was expecting. An all out massive "free for all" battle royale with (almost) all characters vs Thanos and his army (which I will need to go through in slow motion to catch everything because it was ridiculously busy).

Was it a perfect movie? No. Does it deserve a lot of the harshness that it appears to be receiving on this forum? No. Do I think I will enjoy it even more on subsequent viewings? Yes, I do.

That being said, I do understand why some people would feel disappointed that it is not just a superhero battle extravaganza throughout the movie. However, personally I think that kind of movie would have been a mistake. The movie does have some noticable "slow" areas... but I think they were necessary and have reasons to exist..

Personal Movie Highlights (and a few disappointments)... I've only seen the movie once so I'm sure I'm missing lots.

Spoiler: Major Spoilers

HIGHLIGHTS
Hawkeye's anger and walk down the darkside (It's extremely unlikely, but I genuinely hope they now do a "prequel" Hawkeye movie now using this premise). The first appearance of "Professor Hulk" is hilarious (who isn't grey, but that is nitpicking) later "pretending" to be Hulk in the first Avengers movie and "Hulk hates stairs" sequences. The unexpected reappearance the "Ancient One" and Thor's mum actors and their scenes. Captain America revisiting "the elevator" and him fighting himself. The fight between Black Widow and Hawkeye for the Soul Stone (I really thought this concept was great and correct for these characters). Scarlet Witch getting a second chance at Thanos. The first moment you realise that Cap is using Mjolnir. The gateways opening and releasing "the ressurected" into battle. Ironman lying on the wire and letting "the other guy" crawl over him. How Tony snatched the stones from Thanos (Epic).
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DISAPPOINTMENTS
Rocket never created or got to use an "Anti-Thanos" super weapon (this would have been far cooler than the "Thor" solution in my opinion... even if it didn't kill him outright). Rocket was underutilised in general. The "Thor" joke was fine (and initially quite funny), but played out a bit too much. I understand they needed to weaken him (or he would have just destroyed a Thanos without the infinity gauntlet in the final battle)... but they took it a bit too far. Caps shield getting shattered without Thano's using the infinity gauntlet (nitpicking again, but it didn't make sense like it did in the comics). Captain Marvel is still too powerful compared to anyone else and the destruction of Thano's ship was really underwhelming and empty feeling rather than epic. The final battle not using Doctor Strange or Groot much (I really thought Strange and Tony would have had more of a moment considering the whole plan was only because of them). "Hulk" not really making a personal appearance. Thanos never really getting the chance to be as cool as he was in the 1st movie, becoming too much of a generic "bad guy" as a result (I understand him not being involved as much as he was in the first movie, but there were no great moments for him except right at the beginning). No "Odin" appearance and Loki barely in it. The "Time Travel" stuff (although better than in most time travel movies) did make a few errors. They definitely damaged some other tangent timelines during their mission,

Final Results

Spoiler: Major MAJOR Spoilers... BEWARE

4 major MCU characters permenantly dead (5 technically, because "she" is basically a younger version with no memories at all of her adventures with the Guardians of the Galaxy... so "she" still died). Hulk seemingly permenantly crippled. Cap an old man far past his prime. Many characters (and Planet Earth's/Universes general population) reappearing 5 years after they disappeared seemingly unaged and into a world that has long moved on without them (no idea how they will deal with this in future Marvel movies... for example Peter Parker would be 5 years of school behind his "unsnapped" and significantly older previous classmates etc).

Overall, I liked it less than the "critics" but apparently much more than a lot of people on this thread. In my opinion it is a decent end to a long buildup and I look forward to the Bluray release so I can "stop motion" sequences.

I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10 after a first viewing.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm kinda glad to see the reaction is mixed. I cannot however understand the level of praise from critics it has gotten though.

If you look through the reviews, it largely gets a positive response (deservedly so) but most reviews seem to acknowledge its faults too.

RT is a great way to tell if a movie has been received positively, but it’s a terrible way to judge overall quality!

 

[Holy Slapper]

9.25-9.5/10 for me. I'll post a more detailed review tomorrow.

 

[jmc]

If you look through the reviews, it largely gets a positive response (deservedly so) but most reviews seem to acknowledge its faults too.

RT is a great way to tell if a movie has been received positively, but it’s a terrible way to judge overall quality!

I didn't have the luxury to read them before hand due to my movie session starting before the embargo was released. I was kinda shocked to see it sitting at 96% coming out. I thought for sure it was going to be lower than IW.

 

[superkong 500]

I have two questions . Does cap say the word/ battle cry? And is the final battle as big as the wakanda battle or smaller? And whos involved in it

 

[jmc]

Head over to the spoiler thread for that answer.

 

[FunkMiller]

I have two questions . Does cap say the word/ battle cry? And is the final battle as big as the wakanda battle or smaller? And whos involved in it

Spoiler

Yes to the first question. The final battle is huge, but it’s not as good as the one in Infinity War I don’t think. Less ‘hero’ moments.

 

[Filmfan93]

Just came back - my god, this was everything.

The whole film is so much fun (quite different than the trailers) and the last 30 min are probably the best and most geeky thing i have ever witnessed in a cinema.

Highlights - the visuals, humour and music and... Cap! He was here what Thor was in IW. The 3-act structure is quite interesting in this one. The ending is also the perfect culmination to 22 films.

Critisms - Thor. Not sure what happened here.

Overall - 10/10

 

[LUrker85]

So yeah, huge MCU fan here, I’ve lurked on this forum for over 10 years and enjoyed coming on here, reading disscusions, opinions etc. In that time not once have I felt the need to sign up and say anything. However after just coming out of the midnight showing of Avengers Endgame I just have to sign up and voice my complete and utter disappointment with Avengers Endgame. sloppy story/script, selected character choices, dialogue and actions that dragged me out of the film.

To the people who did enjoy it I will say; I am jealous! I wish I could have enjoyed it. A real letdown IMHO, especially considering the fantastic work that came before it. Thanks for reading.

 

[jmc]

Welcome!

 

[Batmannerism]

Just came back - my god, this was everything.

The whole film is so much fun (quite different than the trailers) and the last 30 min are probably the best and most geeky thing i have ever witnessed in a cinema.

Highlights - the visuals, humour and music and... Cap! He was here what Thor was in IW. The 3-act structure is quite interesting in this one. The ending is also the perfect culmination to 22 films.

Critisms - Thor. Not sure what happened here.

Overall - 10/10

I agree that Cap really comes off looking awesome in this film. I think people are being a bit precious about Thor, after Ragnarok we should be able to accept a less serious and more relatable Thor.

 

[Filmfan93]

I agree that Cap really comes off looking awesome in this film. I think people are being a bit precious about Thor, after Ragnarok we should be able to accept a less serious and more relatable Thor.

Yes, i understand that, but he

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is a straight comic relief here . He almost never manages to be serious, despite everyone being there to support him, even adter Frigga's guidance.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

The movie definitely left me feeling very strange...

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Overall I enjoyed it, and I feel like they wrapped up Cap and Iron Man's stories in a satisfying way, though at the same time it makes me a little depressed.

What they did with Thor was really baffling, though. It's like up until now we've been watching his epic journey to become the awesome warrior king of a new Asgard...and they just toss that aside to make him a fat gag character. I mean he does come around in the end, sort of, but he still seems kind of out of it when he hands over leadership to Valkyrie and joins the Guardians, like he's going to stay as the goofy fat comic relief from now on. Hopefully that's not the case.

Also, while I loved Professor Hulk as a character, I hated that he never actually fights anyone except some mooks off screen. He talks about the benefit of mixing brains and brawn, but then barely uses his brawn. I'm really curious what will happen with him going forward, since he's the only one of the O5 with no real reason not to keep being an Avenger. I'm worried they're just going to quietly stop using him without much explanation.

Also, as I mentioned in the Captain Marvel topic, I feel like Captain Marvel was completely forced and did nothing except bring the movie down. The movie would've been 100% improved if, instead of having Captain Marvel conveniently show up to effortlessly save the day and then never appear otherwise, they just had the Avengers find a way to solve those problems on their own.

 

[QueenOroro808]

The movie definitely left me feeling very strange...

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Overall I enjoyed it, and I feel like they wrapped up Cap and Iron Man's stories in a satisfying way, though at the same time it makes me a little depressed.

What they did with Thor was really baffling, though. It's like up until now we've been watching his epic journey to become the awesome warrior king of a new Asgard...and they just toss that aside to make him a fat gag character. I mean he does come around in the end, sort of, but he still seems kind of out of it when he hands over leadership to Valkyrie and joins the Guardians, like he's going to stay as the goofy fat comic relief from now on. Hopefully that's not the case.

Also, while I loved Professor Hulk as a character, I hated that he never actually fights anyone except some mooks off screen. He talks about the benefit of mixing brains and brawn, but then barely uses his brawn. I'm really curious what will happen with him going forward, since he's the only one of the O5 with no real reason not to keep being an Avenger. I'm worried they're just going to quietly stop using him without much explanation.

Also, as I mentioned in the Captain Marvel topic, I feel like Captain Marvel was completely forced and did nothing except bring the movie down. The movie would've been 100% improved if, instead of having Captain Marvel conveniently show up to effortlessly save the day and then never appear otherwise, they just had the Avengers find a way to solve those problems on their own.

From what I’m hearing Captain Marvel didn’t even do much in the film. Can you elaborate on how she ruined the film?

 

[divan]

Spoiler

Well, I loved it. I think it's genuinely the best comic book film after The Dark Knight (which is simply just perfect and, personally, I don't think it'll be surpassed any time soon). Better than Infinity War. Then again, I'm a sucker for more esoteric storylines and I actually love time travel (unlike many in this threat as I've seen I don't think it's a lazy plot device, at least not as it's used here), and I found the alternate timeline explanation very interesting and full of possibilities for the future. Loved the character choices as well, loved that they didn't just undo the time skip (that would have felt cheap, let this characters deal with at least some of the consequences of having their loved ones missing for five years), loved... Well, everything.

 

[Electrolyte]

I've just watched the movie last night(or was it this morning? The screening was at 1:15am and ended at around 4:30ish am)

Well...the movie...how do I say this?...It was, meh...for me.
I did enjoy some parts. But I felt like the movie dragged too long. I mean they've got to do it so the story would not be confusing but I just felt that the pacing was very slow at the start and then suddenly cram everything up at the near end.

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I didn't like the Nebula switcheroo part. I felt that it was lazy writing and storytelling.

I like Infinity War more than Endgame. It's like, they put all the exciting and wow parts in Infinity War and left Endgame with crumbs.

I'm not a big fan of Capt. Marvel

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that's why I was glad she quickly went away at the start of the film.

I just feel that they put Capt. Marvel in the movie just for the sake of putting her in the movie. Feel like it was very forced. I would agree though that she is very essential

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for the beginning of the film's story but that's about it. She should not have gone back for the climax of the film. She didn't do jacksh*t and for all those talk about her beating Thanos' ass she went off on a whimper. What a joke! Marvel made me unlike her more.

Comedy was almost non existent in this movie except for the Thor, Thor and Rocket and some Hulk parts. I liked and laughed at the Thor scenes but I didn't like what they did to Thor, but still it was hilarious.

I was satisfied with the Tony Stark arc. I felt that he deserved everything he did on the film. Because without RDJ the MCU wouldn't be this big.

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It's like a big Thank You and Goodbye at the same time. :'(

I guess you could say that the movie is sort of a goodbye for the last 10 years of the MCU. I'm gonna miss the old MCU. The new "main" characters aren't interesting enough for me. I would still watch the last GotG(thank god they got James Gunn back to direct), also Dr. Strange and Antman movies. Other than that I'm not interested in any other MCU movies.

I'm giving it a 6/10. Even though my rating is not that high. I would still recommend that you watch it, just don't expect something new or something spectacular. Just think of it as a closure to a relationship. Even if you don't like it you still need it. lol

 

[combocaz]

The only comicbook film ive enjoyed this year. Very epic and emotional for me. 9/10 but i also had nitpicks about some things but all in all i loved it. I literally had to hold my tears with a few scenes.

 

[Galactus123]

The movie was great. I'm not sure if its better than Infinity War but it was very good. One of the best MCU movies.

 

[BigThor]

I just feel that they put Capt. Marvel in the movie just for the sake of putting her in the movie. Feel like it was very forced. I would agree though that she is very essential

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for the beginning of the film's story but that's about it. She should not have gone back for the climax of the film. She didn't do jacksh*t and for all those talk about her beating Thanos' ass she went off on a whimper. What a joke! Marvel made me unlike her more.

So Captain Marvel

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didn't beat Thanos' ass?

That's very good to hear!

 

[Electrolyte]

So Captain Marvel

Spoiler

didn't beat Thanos's ass?

That's very good to hear!

Spoiler

Nope!
I'm glad that it was Tony who was the big hero at the end not Capt."is that like a personal attack?" Marvel

 

[FunkMiller]

Spoiler

Nope!
I'm glad that it was Tony who was the big hero at the end not Capt."is that like a personal attack?" Marvel

I never thought that was ever really likely. It’d all be a bit of a walking deus ex machina! It always had to be

Spoiler

one of the OG Avengers, and it was the right one.

 

[BigThor]

Spoiler

Nope!
I'm glad that it was Tony who was the big hero at the end not Capt."is that like a personal attack?" Marvel

Could you rank the characters who gave Thanos the best fight from best to least for me?

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

One issue I did have with Captain Marvel was (vague words but still putting them in spoiler tags)

Spoiler

That what she does becomes a clear reminder how much Thor and Hulk are depowered in the MCU compared to the comics, while she isn't. After Infinity War I thought Thor and Hulk would rise to such levels as they seemed to be set up for a new power level, but if anything I think they regressed in power again. I didn't feel that was entirely fitting for the climax of the originals' story.

 

[Abudefduf]

I'd like to know what the people complaining about Captain Marvel being too OP thought of

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Captain America almost kicking Thanos' ass with Mjolnir.

No one is more OP than Captain America.

 

[Electrolyte]

Could you rank the characters who gave Thanos the best fight from best to least for me?

hmmm...let's see...
Ranking only no explanation:

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1. Capt. America
2.Thor
3.Ironman





4.Capt. Marvel

Ranking explanation:

Spoiler: DON'T CLICK TONS OF SPOILERS. DON'T CLICK!

The first would probably be Capt. America with him having mjolnir and gets to use it on Thanos.
A close second would be Thor with him using Stormbreaker and Mjolnir at the same time. He got saved by Mjolnir though when Thanos was about to slice him with stormbreaker, when Capt. America used Mjolnir to bump Thanos with it.
Iron Man is third, but also had some good action scenes with Thor specially when his ironman suit absorbed Thor's lightning to shoot plasma beams to Thanos. Even though he's the last he has the most dramatic and exciting scene with Thanos with Tony getting the infinity stones and using it to decimate Thanos and his minions to dust.

Capt. Marvel doesn't deserve a ranking but she's gonna be the 4th one. She got punched by Thanos to kingdom come while trying to remove the gaunlet.